Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[MettaWorldPanda]

You probably have to give up a pick with a contract in order to get Bruce Brown, not likely to receive him and a pick. Especially when Toronto may want to reserve some cap to remain a player in free agency.

We are going to be stuck with Herro aren’t we? No value to even get Brown and a low 1st but for some enough to throw in and get a star player. So many polarizing extremes.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[Kobewade11]

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Depth matters. This team isnt a ‘trade everyone for Mitchell or Young’ away from title contention. Turn over every stone sure, but we need to get better (and bigger) in the trenches of the roster.

[carnageta]

Lol before all of the overreactions start about the Pacers, just remember that we have been in the exact same situation as them 3 out of the past 5 seasons. If the pacers do this 2 more times over the next 4 years, they'll be in our boat.

No to need to follow their blueprint. Our very own blueprint has shown to be largely effective.

Im gonna keep it real. Butler saved our asses. That was the blueprint. A player able to produce like a top 5 player. Thats the model. This org has done well drafting but without Butler we barely made the playoffs and then won one game when Herro played like we all want him to play all the time. Now Butler is aged out and injured. Time to take notes.

Jokic saved the Nuggets asses.

Tatum saved the Celtics asses.

Pascal saved the Pacers asses.

Luka saved the Mavericks asses.

Ant saved the Wolves asses.


Seriously - where would any of these teams be without their best player?

[DayofMourning]

Lol before all of the overreactions start about the Pacers, just remember that we have been in the exact same situation as them 3 out of the past 5 seasons. If the pacers do this 2 more times over the next 4 years, they'll be in our boat.

No to need to follow their blueprint. Our very own blueprint has shown to be largely effective.

Im gonna keep it real. Butler saved our asses. That was the blueprint. A player able to produce like a top 5 player. Thats the model. This org has done well drafting but without Butler we barely made the playoffs and then won one game when Herro played like we all want him to play all the time. Now Butler is aged out and injured. Time to take notes.

Jokic saved the Nuggets asses.

Tatum saved the Celtics asses.

Pascal saved the Pacers asses.

Luka saved the Mavericks asses.

Ant saved the Wolves asses.


Seriously - where would any of these teams be without their best player?

Exactly man. Exactly. Wheres our top five player at if we expect to win a chip? Butler on the sidelines aint it.

[carnageta]

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It's funny, if the Pacers get bounced in 5 (like we did and the Cavs did) against the Celtics then there will not be any further mention of 'follow this blueprint that the Pacers implemented'.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Seems going “All-In” might work, lock in Patrick!!

[carnageta]

Im gonna keep it real. Butler saved our asses. That was the blueprint. A player able to produce like a top 5 player. Thats the model. This org has done well drafting but without Butler we barely made the playoffs and then won one game when Herro played like we all want him to play all the time. Now Butler is aged out and injured. Time to take notes.

Jokic saved the Nuggets asses.

Tatum saved the Celtics asses.

Pascal saved the Pacers asses.

Luka saved the Mavericks asses.

Ant saved the Wolves asses.


Seriously - where would any of these teams be without their best player?

Exactly man. Exactly. Wheres our top five player at if we expect to win a chip? Butler on the sidelines aint it.

There's not much you can do when your best player is injured and misses the playoffs. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much depth you accumulate, if you're missing your absolute best player you're not winning the championship.

Even though the Pacers have 'depth', they likely do not even make the ECF if one of Siakam or Hali gets injured. Heck man, they likely do not get out of the first round if Giannis plays half of the games in that series.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’re in the ECF right now if we beat that Pacers that last game of the regular season more than likely. Unfortunate but likely would’ve kept the FO delusional on all these scrubs on the roster

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jokic saved the Nuggets asses.

Tatum saved the Celtics asses.

Pascal saved the Pacers asses.

Luka saved the Mavericks asses.

Ant saved the Wolves asses.


Seriously - where would any of these teams be without their best player?

Exactly man. Exactly. Wheres our top five player at if we expect to win a chip? Butler on the sidelines aint it.

There's not much you can do when your best player is injured and misses the playoffs. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much depth you accumulate, if you're missing your absolute best player you're not winning the championship.

Even though the Pacers have 'depth', they likely do not even make the ECF if one of Siakam or Hali gets injured. Heck man, they likely do not get out of the first round if Giannis plays half of the games in that series.

They’re definitely bounced round 1 if Giannis is healthy, they have no one for him lol

[DayofMourning]

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It's funny, if the Pacers get bounced in 5 (like we did and the Cavs did) against the Celtics then there will not be any further mention of 'follow this blueprint that the Pacers implemented'.

Counting chickens before their hatched.

If Im paying max, it aint to Pascal **** Siakam.

Boston winning in 5 would not be a shocker.

[Kobewade11]

There's too many non-rookie minimum contracts on this team, that's not the formula when you aren't competing for the championship and don't have an in-his-prime superstar. Meaning of the top 5 contracts they probably need to shed two of them.

[Flash4thewin]

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It's funny, if the Pacers get bounced in 5 (like we did and the Cavs did) against the Celtics then there will not be any further mention of 'follow this blueprint that the Pacers implemented'.

Counting chickens before their hatched.

If Im paying max, it aint to Pascal **** Siakam.

Boston winning in 5 would not be a shocker.

I kinda get what you are saying but when we sign players like Herro, Lowry, Duncan and trade for Terry ouch. Siakam looks like a bargain price wise compared to who we pay.

[carnageta]

It's funny, if the Pacers get bounced in 5 (like we did and the Cavs did) against the Celtics then there will not be any further mention of 'follow this blueprint that the Pacers implemented'.

Counting chickens before their hatched.

If Im paying max, it aint to Pascal **** Siakam.

Boston winning in 5 would not be a shocker.

I kinda get what you are saying but when we sign players like Herro, Lowry, Duncan and trade for Terry ouch. Siakam looks like a bargain price wise compared to who we pay.

Rather have Siakam than all of those players as well, but Pascal also made a significant amount more than each of those guys.

Siakam - 38m
Herro - 27m
Rozier - 22m
Duncan - 18m


In an ideal world you would want to replace Rozier and Duncan (40m salary) with a guy like Siakam.

[DayofMourning]

It's funny, if the Pacers get bounced in 5 (like we did and the Cavs did) against the Celtics then there will not be any further mention of 'follow this blueprint that the Pacers implemented'.

Counting chickens before their hatched.

If Im paying max, it aint to Pascal **** Siakam.

Boston winning in 5 would not be a shocker.

I kinda get what you are saying but when we sign players like Herro, Lowry, Duncan and trade for Terry ouch. Siakam looks like a bargain price wise compared to who we pay.

I was against every one of those, except probably Rozier. We needed another make something out of nothing scorer.

Herro got paid way too much for what hed shown so far. I was thinking maybe 2/3 of what he got was very fair.

Lowry was a botch from the get go. I feel like most of us on here were super leery about that one. What even made it worse was signing Bam a year early and handcuffing ourselves. Weve largely forgotten about how diastrous that offseason was, but the HUGE miss on Giannis got WAY worse when we decided to trade Precious and pay Lowry 5 times what he shouldve gotten. One of the worst offseasons weve had. Worse that it was preceded by so much hope.

Duncan got paid for one sensational year and the hope he could return to it. Another gamble.

[RexBoyWonder]

It's funny, if the Pacers get bounced in 5 (like we did and the Cavs did) against the Celtics then there will not be any further mention of 'follow this blueprint that the Pacers implemented'.

Counting chickens before their hatched.

If Im paying max, it aint to Pascal **** Siakam.

Boston winning in 5 would not be a shocker.

I kinda get what you are saying but when we sign players like Herro, Lowry, Duncan and trade for Terry ouch. Siakam looks like a bargain price wise compared to who we pay.

You've got to admit - most of our moves for the last few years have been QUESTIONABLE to put it politly.

If you analyze them one by one, you'd think this front office is pretty clueless honestly.

Lowry trade - disaster
Duncan contract - disaster
Herro contract - disaster
Rozier trade - looks iffy


Our best move were basically drafting some good kids (Jovic and Jamie), getting some nice minimum guys (Love, Highsmith)...and, what else?

[carnageta]

Siakam has his fair share of stinkers though.

I already know if we had acquired Pascal people on here would be complaining how he makes 38m, which is more than Tatum, Donovan Mitchell, Fox, Booker, SGA, Kyrie, etc. Just like people were complaining about Dragic's salary when we paid him in 2015.


TLDR; people will complain about player salaries unless they're an established top 10 talent in the NBA (which Siakam is not).

[carnageta]

Counting chickens before their hatched.

If Im paying max, it aint to Pascal **** Siakam.

Boston winning in 5 would not be a shocker.

I kinda get what you are saying but when we sign players like Herro, Lowry, Duncan and trade for Terry ouch. Siakam looks like a bargain price wise compared to who we pay.

You've got to admit - most of our moves for the last few years have been QUESTIONABLE to put it politly.

If you analyze them one by one, you'd think this front office is pretty clueless honestly.

Lowry trade - disaster
Duncan contract - disaster
Herro contract - disaster
Rozier trade - looks iffy


Our best move were basically drafting some good kids (Jovic and Jamie), getting some nice minimum guys (Love, Highsmith)...and, what else?

Lowry trade lead to the #1 seed and a missed 3pter away from a finals appearance. Lets not overreact.

[DayofMourning]

Siakam has his fair share of stinkers though.

I already know if we had acquired Pascal people on here would be complaining how he makes 38m, which is more than Tatum, Donovan Mitchell, Fox, Booker, SGA, Kyrie, etc. Just like people were complaining about Dragic's salary when we paid him in 2015.


TLDR; people will complain about player salaries unless they're an established top 10 talent in the NBA (which Siakam is not).

Better get that top five guy then and dont be suckered in to paying big bucks to guys who dont deserve it. This is basic **** here.

Riley is waiting to hook a whale and missing the point that unless you draft another Wade, youre not raising that banner. The dude drafted legends in Magic and Wade and won rings. He traded for culture guys in Zo and Jimmy and came up empty. Its really that cut and dry.

[RexBoyWonder]

Siakam has his fair share of stinkers though.

I already know if we had acquired Pascal people on here would be complaining how he makes 38m, which is more than Tatum, Donovan Mitchell, Fox, Booker, SGA, Kyrie, etc. Just like people were complaining about Dragic's salary when we paid him in 2015.


TLDR; people will complain about player salaries unless they're an established top 10 talent in the NBA (which Siakam is not).

It's not about a player being top 10,

It's about BETTING ON THE RIGHT PLAYERS.

Our biggest bets these past few years were on : Lowry, Herro, Duncan, Rozier.

I'll tell you this much - I MUCH rather gamble on Siakem then any of then.
He's a proven winning 2 way player, not old, not weak, not one dimentintal.


I'm looking at these names and really wondering...WTF is going on with this front office?