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Re: Miami Heat Off-season Thread Vol. 5 - The One Where We Do Something 

Post#1901 » by AirP. » Thu Oct 3, 2024 4:06 pm

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You are right, let’s pivot to the other broken record of Bam potentially finally shootings threes on the regular! This is how you know we are in desperate need of a splash trade!!! We continue to have the same pre-season hopes and prayers!

Maybe this is the year Tyler actually gets it together, and Bam shoots threes at a good clip with decent success! Imagine how much success our offense will have with those two finally coming to fruition this season! I can picture it now, the Bam and Herro duo creating havoc on offenses!


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I think what he's pointing towards is a player changing their tendencies on offense which is very hard to do even if you want to do that. To go to someone who probes for his own shot which he's done for most of his life that not only got him to the NBA but made him rich to being mostly a spot-up shooter is quite the change. You can try to force yourself, but it won't feel natural, you won't be doing it feels right and from time to time your old tendencies will take over. The same goes for Bam and even Butler, the way they've played have made them NBA all-stars, both have been all-NBA players, both were the top 2 guys for a finals team so to change how they play, and their tendencies are just as difficult if not more so.

Can Herro push himself for a certain role, absolutely but I think you'll see him deviate from that from time to time that could cause issues, it'll probably take a good amount of time before his old tendencies change which will show up more often in pressure situations until he's changed his current tendencies (which sounds like what he's been working on).

Klay Thompson isn't who Herro should be emulating because they were never the same type of player (especially on defense), he should be emulating Ray Allen.



Tyler Herro would be out for 6 months with a hernia if he tried to pick up Ray Allen's jock. :lol:

It's the type of game, not the same quality of course. Much like Rozier may have the 3-level scorer game that Miami's been needing but that doesn't mean he's a high quality 3-level scorer.
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Post#1903 » by Flash4thewin » Thu Oct 3, 2024 4:17 pm

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Duh. This is basically his contract year. If he played goods to great he will opt out and get a pay raise. Not sure if we should be the team that pays him to be honest.
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Post#1904 » by lastb1ckman » Thu Oct 3, 2024 4:23 pm

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lastb1ckman wrote:I'm getting optimistic about the Rozier/Herro/Butler/*/Bam lineup. I know the defense may be problematic, but I am really curious to see the Herro/Rozier pairing running at top speed. if they can bring average defense with great offense, that might lift our offense out of the basement. Especially with a guy like Haywood or Ware next to Bam to cover up for them.


The problem here is neither Herro nor Terry have been above average offensive guards basically their whole career.
Gotta hope for a leap from Herro. Rozier was good as a playmaker so maybe there is a small chance it works, but I honestly don't have too much hope, many things have to go right.

It's the same team as last few years in terms of talent, don't be surprised if they land in the playin again


What do you mean by above average offensive guards? As in offensive rating or efficiency? I do think Rozier is straight up an upgrade from even Peak Heat Lowry as far as shooting and scoring goes. That's a big change from us begging Lowry to take more than 3 shots a game. Teams straight up ignored defending him at times especially towards the end. The offense is likely going to work very differently with Rozier in for Lowry by this alone. And we barely got to see Rozier play with the entire team healthy and with him fully integrated into the team.
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Post#1905 » by El Alonzo scowl » Thu Oct 3, 2024 4:30 pm

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Duh. This is basically his contract year. If he played goods to great he will opt out and get a pay raise. Not sure if we should be the team that pays him to be honest.

No one on this team should be getting paid unless they make an All-Star game. It's high time to stop drowning in bad contracts. The new CBA is too punitive to be handing out bad contracts like the FO has done for years now.
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Post#1908 » by AirP. » Thu Oct 3, 2024 8:02 pm

“Spo is always talking about being a top-five defense and a top-five offense,” Heat star Jimmy Butler said. ”That’s the formula for success.”


“It’s more generated to make everybody feel involved and that’s without it being stagnant at times,” Heat captain Bam Adebayo said. “It’s a very flow offense through 24 seconds. It’s not just the first 12 seconds, it’s the full shot clock.”


“I would say just playing faster,” Heat guard Tyler Herro said when asked what’s different about the Heat’s offense through the first few training camp practices. “We’ve emphasized it in the past, really trying to run in transition. But also while the offense is in the half court, still trying to figure out ways to play fast and being hard to guard as opposed to just slowing down, throwing it in the post and kind of just standing and watching. We want to get into more actions that are hard to guard, confusing for the defense.”


“We’re not playing a game of analytics, it’s the game of basketball,” Spoelstra said. “But we do have to be mindful of what wins and what’s efficient. So I think generating more uncontested open shots is very important and knowing how we can do that within what we do. That’s something we’ve been working on and we’ll continue to develop that. I think it will get a lot better.”


One way that the Heat’s coaching staff has emphasized the need for more shots around the basket is by adjusting the scoring format in scrimmages during training camp this week: layups and dunks are worth three points, three-pointers are worth three points and midrange shots count for just one point.


There's more in the article that is on Yahoo (vs the paywall at miamiherald.com), it's well worth the read if you are looking for some more Heat news or quotes.

https://sports.yahoo.com/heat-players-already-noticing-something-155126343.html
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Post#1913 » by AirP. » Fri Oct 4, 2024 4:56 pm

As for the Heat, it’s still undetermined if Amazon will acquire rights to stream Bally cablecasts of a dozen NBA teams, including the Heat, this season. Discussions are ongoing, but it’s not necessarily expected that a deal will be struck in time for opening night Oct. 23 against Chicago.

Either way, Heat games can be seen on Bally Sports Sun or through the Bally app. And if Amazon acquires rights, viewers would be getting the same product they receive by watching Bally Sun or through the Bally app. Only the means of distribution would be different, but the price likely will be very similar.

Through its app, Bally is offering all Bally Sports Sun programming, including 70-plus Heat games, through April for $124.99.


ESPN last week rolled out its NBA Future Power Rankings, which it describes as a “projection of the on-court success expected for each team over the next three seasons: 2024-25, 2025-26 and 2026-27.”

The Heat finished in the bottom half of the league at No. 17 — in between New Orleans (16) and Sacramento (18). Miami was ranked seventh a year ago.


ESPN ranks the Heat with the 20th-best group of players (potential for improvement also was factored in); third best (behind only Oklahoma City and Boston) in terms of quality and stability of front office, ownership and coaching; 23rd in money (which includes “projected salary-cap situation; ability and willingness to exceed cap and pay luxury tax”); fifth in market (defined as “appeal to future acquisitions based on team quality, franchise reputation, city’s desirability as a destination, market size, taxes, business and entertainment opportunities, arena quality, fans) and 24th in future draft picks and draft positioning.

The Knicks, Lakers, Clippers and Golden State were the four teams ranked ahead of the Heat in the market category.


https://sports.yahoo.com/watch-heat-panthers-espn-sizes-164636906.html
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Post#1914 » by AirP. » Fri Oct 4, 2024 7:17 pm

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Some highlights of that 2022 Mexico City game, Herro with help defense where he does foul but blocks Poeltl around 5:12 in the video, he showed some passion on defensive end of the floor multiple times that game. I thought this might be a turning point in his career for his defensive effort, but it really wasn't. He can give more effort than he has most of his career; he can limit how much of a liability he is on the defensive end which would vastly bring up his value to the Heat and other teams.
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Post#1916 » by twix2500 » Fri Oct 4, 2024 10:13 pm

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Post#1917 » by dshearn » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:53 am

Yall see the Jimmy Quote about him needing Spo more than Spo needing Jimmy and how he needs to demonstrate more leadership?..... Ill see if I can find the exact quote ..... It was in response to Spo saying that I need to be a better coach, and challenge this team to push further....

Man.... Herro comes in no ego, Butler comes in saying he is going to work harder, no shenanigan no hair, no crazy photo.....this sounds like the most locked in this roster has been in ages.

These guys sound ready.....and serious....

----“I just want to play basketball and want to be available, like Pat was talking about,” he said after arriving a few hours late to media day because of mechanical problems involving a flight back from Paris. “I plan on being that… and making everybody happy… . I’m here. Normal hair. No shenanigans.”-----

----Erik Spoelstra said Monday that he and Butler “were in contact” this summer, adding: “He’s at a point where he needs me…to coach him and push him to higher levels. And I need him to be at his highest level as a player and a leader.” Informed of that comment, Butler said: “As you said, he needs me. But I’m probably going to need him more than he needs me…. He’s teaching me how to be a better basketball player, a better leader, a better human being overall. At every level he’s won. I still want to reach that point where I can say I won” a championship.----

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article293170789.html#storylink=cpy

This team sounds Locked the heck in.....man...mentally these guys SOUND great....
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Post#1918 » by VaDe255 » Sat Oct 5, 2024 7:49 am

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lastb1ckman wrote:I'm getting optimistic about the Rozier/Herro/Butler/*/Bam lineup. I know the defense may be problematic, but I am really curious to see the Herro/Rozier pairing running at top speed. if they can bring average defense with great offense, that might lift our offense out of the basement. Especially with a guy like Haywood or Ware next to Bam to cover up for them.


The problem here is neither Herro nor Terry have been above average offensive guards basically their whole career.
Gotta hope for a leap from Herro. Rozier was good as a playmaker so maybe there is a small chance it works, but I honestly don't have too much hope, many things have to go right.

It's the same team as last few years in terms of talent, don't be surprised if they land in the playin again


What do you mean by above average offensive guards? As in offensive rating or efficiency? I do think Rozier is straight up an upgrade from even Peak Heat Lowry as far as shooting and scoring goes. That's a big change from us begging Lowry to take more than 3 shots a game. Teams straight up ignored defending him at times especially towards the end. The offense is likely going to work very differently with Rozier in for Lowry by this alone. And we barely got to see Rozier play with the entire team healthy and with him fully integrated into the team.


I'm talking about efficiency. Both Herro/Terry are very skilled guards, but they have never been efficient scorers.
If this team succeeds it's because someone else than Butler becomes an efficient scorer.

You just can't be scoring on high volume at average effiency all the time, it's the reason their offense sucks. Only Butler can score efficiently by getting to the FT line.
Bam is below average in scoring effiency for a center, Tyler/Terry are average scoring guards, no one of these 3 can generate good quality shots, they mostly generate 2 point jumpers, which simply aren't good enough.

I don't think they can solve it individually but it has to come from better playmaking and with the power of friendship as a team.
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Post#1919 » by Kobewade11 » Sat Oct 5, 2024 1:32 pm

dshearn wrote:Yall see the Jimmy Quote about him needing Spo more than Spo needing Jimmy and how he needs to demonstrate more leadership?..... Ill see if I can find the exact quote ..... It was in response to Spo saying that I need to be a better coach, and challenge this team to push further....

Man.... Herro comes in no ego, Butler comes in saying he is going to work harder, no shenanigan no hair, no crazy photo.....this sounds like the most locked in this roster has been in ages.

These guys sound ready.....and serious....

----“I just want to play basketball and want to be available, like Pat was talking about,” he said after arriving a few hours late to media day because of mechanical problems involving a flight back from Paris. “I plan on being that… and making everybody happy… . I’m here. Normal hair. No shenanigans.”-----

----Erik Spoelstra said Monday that he and Butler “were in contact” this summer, adding: “He’s at a point where he needs me…to coach him and push him to higher levels. And I need him to be at his highest level as a player and a leader.” Informed of that comment, Butler said: “As you said, he needs me. But I’m probably going to need him more than he needs me…. He’s teaching me how to be a better basketball player, a better leader, a better human being overall. At every level he’s won. I still want to reach that point where I can say I won” a championship.----

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article293170789.html#storylink=cpy

This team sounds Locked the heck in.....man...mentally these guys SOUND great....

Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth, so we’ll see. Everyone was ranting and raving about changes in the offensively philosophy as well - need to see if that actually translates in game.
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