2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

That’s shocking to see them sell that low on Jaime if true, I don’t believe it.

That guy has been cookin tho so who knows.

He came close on the DFS and Memphis trade saying something was close but was off on the details of why the deal fell through. Multiple reporters clarified that a protected 1st was offered but was essentially turned down for the 3 2nd rd pick offer from the Lakers so they didn’t have to take on Konchar’s money next year. He does seem to be on Memphis getting something done here rather soon with Konchar involved.

[Beenie]

What about the other games?

He's playing fewer minutes per game.
He's averaging the fewest points since he arrive here.
He's averaging the fewest assists since he got here.
He's averaging the second fewest rebounds since he got here.
He's taking fewer shots per game than he ever has ... by a lot. Two fewer attempts per game than his previous low.
He's getting to the FT line less.
His FT% is down at its lowest since he got here.
He's already missed 10 games.

A great game here and there doesn't alter his trajectory.

All his advanced stats still indicate he’s a great player.

And eye test wise, he’s still the smartest player on the team and it’s not close.

I’m been beating that drum for a while now of how the collective iq of this roster is remedial at best and Jimmy is pretty much the one exception.

You will get no debate from me that he's still our best player, and has by far the highest BBIQ on this team, and that IQ isn't going anywhere. But he has to coast more and more during the season. His legs are not getting any younger.

Jimmy’s always been a coaster in Mia

He dials it up when he’s healthy and motivated

Nothing new

Personally I’m unbothered by his coasting attitude considering his age and durability concerns so long as he plays well when it matters

Bigger concern is with the rest of the roster who I have no faith in although Herro’s off-ball development is compelling.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Barry’s been pushing for a KD trade lol

[AirP.]

What about the other games?

He's playing fewer minutes per game.
He's averaging the fewest points since he arrive here.
He's averaging the fewest assists since he got here.
He's averaging the second fewest rebounds since he got here.
He's taking fewer shots per game than he ever has ... by a lot. Two fewer attempts per game than his previous low.
He's getting to the FT line less.
His FT% is down at its lowest since he got here.
He's already missed 10 games.

A great game here and there doesn't alter his trajectory.

All his advanced stats still indicate he’s a great player.

And eye test wise, he’s still the smartest player on the team and it’s not close.

I’m been beating that drum for a while now of how the collective iq of this roster is remedial at best and Jimmy is pretty much the one exception.

You will get no debate from me that he's still our best player, and has by far the highest BBIQ on this team, and that IQ isn't going anywhere. But he has to coast more and more during the season. His legs are not getting any younger.

Getting younger? No, but like I've said the whole time he's been in Miami, he's been and still is keeping himself in great shape where he can still be a high-level player into his late 30s.

Physically, I think Butler's not taken much of a step backwards physically while gaining skill and BBIQ and with that, seems to be having the most efficient scoring years of his career. I think he could put up ~20 ppg while being very efficient for 2-4 more years and with that, I wouldn't be nervous signing him for 3 years but probably wouldn't go 4 with big money.

I don't think a guy who's able to do a dunk like below is near done physically. I think keeping him around gives the FO a few more years to try to find the next guy that can be their next long-term dominant offensive player in the playoffs.

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Barry’s been pushing for a KD trade lol

Pat Riley has the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever here

[twix2500]

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MWP you was right when Rob was talking about player you like. He is a fraud

[DayofMourning]

Yall need to get off here and go eat some ass, it’s New Year’s Eve

I just ate some duck. Hope that counts.

I read that with a different vowel

I cant imagine. Eating a deck? Might get stuck going down.

[greg4012]

I'll certainly agree that Dragic was exactly the guy we needed, a scorer and playmaker who was tough and once he was gone our chances were too.

The size thing is Spo not the management. Remember Spo had Olynyk and Leonard and they were both having good seasons, then playoff comes and Spo goes small. That is Spo not the roster. Spo played Tucker at center because thats Spo scheme he likes. Spo plays Love at center because thats the scheme he likes. If the Heat makes the playoffs, I bet Ware will not see the light of day.

The 2021-22 season the Heat had the best record in the East and missed the finals because Jimmy missed the winning shot dispite Herro being hurt again and Duncan mentally collapsed and Morris back got destroyed by Jokic that year.

Any criticism of Spo is absolutely preaching to the quire with me...he's imo the biggest problem with this team haha.

Preaching to the quire is crazy work lol

[greg4012]

I swear I don't enjoy being so negative...but like Panda I just keep it real and don't get hopes up for nothing.

Signing Duncan to a 5 yr 90 million dollar deal has also been a nasty crutch. Nobody likes the mention the down stream effect of how many players making a lot less that we had to let go or could not sign cause that close to 20 million per contract weighed down the cap and tax for so many years. Could not even give him away without having to pay a team to take that on.

Feel like its mentioned at least once every 3 pages on here. Def debilitating

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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MWP you was right when Rob was talking about player you like. He is a fraud

Yea this is some random ass closet heat fan or something just trying to get twitter clout.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Someone legit someone doesn’t know who tf Greg is let alone this level detail from something 4 years ago. Sorry fellas, nothing to see here buddy is fraudulent

[greg4012]

I’ve been consistently saying that if they move Jimmy they should also trade bam as soon as he’s trade eligible.

Bam gets them a Gobert-like trade package.

And most likely at some point trade Herro too when they can maximize a return package for him.

Gonna be unwatchably dreadful when Jimmy is gone so mine as well do a hard resetting of the roster.

Jimmy has been gone 1/3 of this season. We're about as good as we are with him.

Do u think the team without Jimmy is playoff bound?

And hypothetically, do u think a roster without Jimmy in the playoffs has about the same odds as it does with him in the lineup?

Last year against the Celtics was unwatchably embarrassing for them.

Do you think Jimmy in the lineup wouldn’t have made that series more compelling?

Of course the playoff ceiling is highest with someone who can perform as a top 10 player. Do you think any team is as serious of a playoff contender without their highest paid player? Replacing the salary allotment with another contributing piece (or 2) can level out a lot.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jimmy has been gone 1/3 of this season. We're about as good as we are with him.

Do u think the team without Jimmy is playoff bound?

And hypothetically, do u think a roster without Jimmy in the playoffs has about the same odds as it does with him in the lineup?

Last year against the Celtics was unwatchably embarrassing for them.

Do you think Jimmy in the lineup wouldn’t have made that series more compelling?

Of course the playoff ceiling is highest with someone who can perform as a top 10 player. Do you think any team is as serious of a playoff contender without their highest paid player? Replacing the salary allotment with another contributing piece (or 2) can level out a lot.

We had like $75M on the bench last game and beat the 3rd seed in the west on their homecourt. You could fit Fox Wiggins and DFS into that salary space and we’d look pretty damn good I’d say lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

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MWP you was right when Rob was talking about player you like. He is a fraud

Yea this is some random ass closet heat fan or something just trying to get twitter clout.

Definitely starting to seem that way.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Robert Pattinson tried to cover up the DFS trade by saying Memphis did not offer pick. Stein and Scuotto said they did offer protected pick. He also said DLo was getting bought out and now BK has opened the welcome mat for him even went out of there way to give him his old number back. Sounds like he’s just playing RealGM on twitter trying to tie in the Konchar interest that was floated. Could be wAtchOut or some chit lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yall stay safe out there, crazy world we live in. Couple of my boys coach Notre Dame smfh

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Robert Pattinson tried to cover up the DFS trade by saying Memphis did not offer pick. Stein and Scuotto said they did offer protected pick. He also said DLo was getting bought out and now BK has opened the welcome mat for him even went out of there way to give him his old number back. Sounds like he’s just playing RealGM on twitter trying to tie in the Konchar interest that was floated. Could be wAtchOut or some chit lol

He bought that number from Williams to be fair but yea he’s full of it

[Beenie]

Jimmy has been gone 1/3 of this season. We're about as good as we are with him.

Do u think the team without Jimmy is playoff bound?

And hypothetically, do u think a roster without Jimmy in the playoffs has about the same odds as it does with him in the lineup?

Last year against the Celtics was unwatchably embarrassing for them.

Do you think Jimmy in the lineup wouldn’t have made that series more compelling?

Of course the playoff ceiling is highest with someone who can perform as a top 10 player. Do you think any team is as serious of a playoff contender without their highest paid player? Replacing the salary allotment with another contributing piece (or 2) can level out a lot.

Regarding your last point, in general, I don’t agree..

Not when it comes to playoff basketball

A team full of secondary players isn’t likely to advance

For instance, removing Kawhi from the championship raptors team and replacing him with a Bam type and someone else severely diminishes that team and they don’t come close to sniffing a chip.

Same scenario with Denver and Jokic and Milwaukee and Giannis

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Do u think the team without Jimmy is playoff bound?

And hypothetically, do u think a roster without Jimmy in the playoffs has about the same odds as it does with him in the lineup?

Last year against the Celtics was unwatchably embarrassing for them.

Do you think Jimmy in the lineup wouldn’t have made that series more compelling?

Of course the playoff ceiling is highest with someone who can perform as a top 10 player. Do you think any team is as serious of a playoff contender without their highest paid player? Replacing the salary allotment with another contributing piece (or 2) can level out a lot.

Regarding your last point, in general, I don’t agree..

Not when it comes to playoff basketball

A team full of secondary players isn’t likely to advance

For instance, removing Kawhi from the championship raptors team and replacing him with a Bam type and someone else severely diminishes that team and they don’t come close to sniffing a chip.

Same scenario with Denver and Jokic and Milwaukee and Giannis

Depends on the supporting cast, you could swap a bam level player for KD or Curry on those warriors teams and they’d win it still. You can swap Bam for Brown and the Celtics still win last year but yea if you’re swapping Bam for arguably the best player in the world for each of those championships you mentioned that’s likely not the case.

I don’t view Fox as a lead number 1 scoring option on a championship, maybe he could be with the right supporting cast but let’s say this hypothetical Jimmy trade happened 3 years ago and we got Wiggins and sent the assets out for Fox as well to fit into Jimmy JRich and Loves salary. Which one of those seasons ends worse for us in the postseason considering we play the same teams and all that?

2022 we definitely still make the ECF at minimum, 2023 you could argue the bucks series, maybe the Celtics since massive Jimmy/Bam games 1 and 2 got us out to a 2-0 lead heading back home that series but lead guards like Fox, Mitchell, Curry, Brunson, Dame usually always have their way against the Celtics.