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2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1901 » by greg4012 » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:15 pm

Beenie wrote:
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So, if we trade Bam to OKC, we can get our pick back plus others and shoot for Darryn and AJ to supplement this years lotto pick.

I am not against it. I love Bam, but we have to get super lucky this draft to really max his contributions to our team. Trading him could completely reshape our potential.

I see it at about 0.01% chance of happening though. Bam is about as Heat as Heat gets.


I'm sure the actual experience of the multi-year rebuild that ensues would go over well with the large majority of the fanbase that can't even come to terms with the fact that this is has become a purely developmental season.


PR wise, Mia screwed themselves with the Jimmy fiasco

Short of acquiring a star player or winning the lotto, a good portion of the fan base will be tuning out for the foreseeable future.

Therefore, doing a rebuild now, considering that the team is out of contention and is a middling afterthought, makes the most sense.


I thought that's what was happening considering no long-term piece on the roster is currently older than 27.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1902 » by Beenie » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:32 pm

greg4012 wrote:
Beenie wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
I'm sure the actual experience of the multi-year rebuild that ensues would go over well with the large majority of the fanbase that can't even come to terms with the fact that this is has become a purely developmental season.


PR wise, Mia screwed themselves with the Jimmy fiasco

Short of acquiring a star player or winning the lotto, a good portion of the fan base will be tuning out for the foreseeable future.

Therefore, doing a rebuild now, considering that the team is out of contention and is a middling afterthought, makes the most sense.


I thought that's what was happening considering no long-term piece on the roster is currently older than 27.


Kinda warping the idea of a rebuild with that interpretation no?

That 27 yo is in his 8th year now and has been a key cog in the Jimmy era core.

A true rebuild would involve trading him and embracing an even younger roster
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1903 » by DayofMourning » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:41 pm

If I could swap Terry for Fears and Duncan for nobody and add another post player, Id be pretty happy with our current team.

I like everyone else pretty much. Just need to get everyone aligned, on the same page and have an alpha scorer.

Can Fears be that alpha...? Idk. I love his game on many levels.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1904 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:52 pm

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So, if we trade Bam to OKC, we can get our pick back plus others and shoot for Darryn and AJ to supplement this years lotto pick.

I am not against it. I love Bam, but we have to get super lucky this draft to really max his contributions to our team. Trading him could completely reshape our potential.

I see it at about 0.01% chance of happening though. Bam is about as Heat as Heat gets.


I'm sure the actual experience of the multi-year rebuild that ensues would go over well with the large majority of the fanbase that can't even come to terms with the fact that this is has become a purely developmental season.


The problem is the future pick ramifications of the Heat missing the playoffs this year. Once you enter tanking/developmental mode, its not easy to revert back to playoff contender. Heat will have a VERY bleak outlook with a crap roster and owing two unprotected picks.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1905 » by greg4012 » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:55 pm

SoFlaKingReal wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
So, if we trade Bam to OKC, we can get our pick back plus others and shoot for Darryn and AJ to supplement this years lotto pick.

I am not against it. I love Bam, but we have to get super lucky this draft to really max his contributions to our team. Trading him could completely reshape our potential.

I see it at about 0.01% chance of happening though. Bam is about as Heat as Heat gets.


I'm sure the actual experience of the multi-year rebuild that ensues would go over well with the large majority of the fanbase that can't even come to terms with the fact that this is has become a purely developmental season.


The problem is the future pick ramifications of the Heat missing the playoffs this year. Once you enter tanking/developmental mode, its not easy to revert back to playoff contender. Heat will have a VERY bleak outlook with a crap roster and owing two unprotected picks.


Agreed. More is lost than most realize. Both due to future picks owed out due to recent moves to stay competitive and culture/coaching investment shipped out
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1906 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:58 pm

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Post#1907 » by greg4012 » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:00 pm

Beenie wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Beenie wrote:
PR wise, Mia screwed themselves with the Jimmy fiasco

Short of acquiring a star player or winning the lotto, a good portion of the fan base will be tuning out for the foreseeable future.

Therefore, doing a rebuild now, considering that the team is out of contention and is a middling afterthought, makes the most sense.


I thought that's what was happening considering no long-term piece on the roster is currently older than 27.


Kinda warping the idea of a rebuild with that interpretation no?

That 27 yo is in his 8th year now and has been a key cog in the Jimmy era core.

A true rebuild would involve trading him and embracing an even younger roster


Is serving the most extreme form of rebuild the goal? Is that the one that is proven to provide best results?

Or is putting together the next form of true contending roster the goal?
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Post#1908 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:01 pm

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1909 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:02 pm

greg4012 wrote:
Beenie wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
I thought that's what was happening considering no long-term piece on the roster is currently older than 27.


Kinda warping the idea of a rebuild with that interpretation no?

That 27 yo is in his 8th year now and has been a key cog in the Jimmy era core.

A true rebuild would involve trading him and embracing an even younger roster


Is serving the most extreme form of rebuild the goal? Is that the one that is proven to provide best results?

Or is putting together the next form of true contending roster the goal?


Sounds like some want a full tear down and to be stuck in no man’s land for the next 20 years while we try to find even 1 true building block
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Post#1910 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:06 pm

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1911 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:11 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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We about to release Mitchell to try and avoid the tax?!


Might as well lol

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1912 » by VaDe255 » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:12 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Beenie wrote:
Kinda warping the idea of a rebuild with that interpretation no?

That 27 yo is in his 8th year now and has been a key cog in the Jimmy era core.

A true rebuild would involve trading him and embracing an even younger roster


Is serving the most extreme form of rebuild the goal? Is that the one that is proven to provide best results?

Or is putting together the next form of true contending roster the goal?


Sounds like some want a full tear down and to be stuck in no man’s land for the next 20 years while we try to find even 1 true building block


They’re headed for no man’s land regardless of whether they go for a full teardown or not.
Right now, the most realistic path to turning things around is keep losing and hope for lottery luck to land a top-4 pick.

Otherwise, the likely scenario is an offseason of more inaction, extending Tyler and running it back with nothing but "hopes and dreams of internal development", because they have no flexibility.

This is treadmill territory, the worst place to be in the NBA, Bam gets older and less valueable; If Tyler isn't making more leaps his value will decrease also. They'll be left selling on these guys too late, just like the Raptors did it too late
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Post#1913 » by Beenie » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:16 pm

greg4012 wrote:
Beenie wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
I thought that's what was happening considering no long-term piece on the roster is currently older than 27.


Kinda warping the idea of a rebuild with that interpretation no?

That 27 yo is in his 8th year now and has been a key cog in the Jimmy era core.

A true rebuild would involve trading him and embracing an even younger roster


Is serving the most extreme form of rebuild the goal? Is that the one that is proven to provide best results?

Or is putting together the next form of true contending roster the goal?


Getting superstar level talent is the goal and one of the ways to increase the odds in doing so is to bottom out to improve draft positioning and to add more future picks to either use or barter with.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1914 » by Beenie » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:18 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Beenie wrote:
Kinda warping the idea of a rebuild with that interpretation no?

That 27 yo is in his 8th year now and has been a key cog in the Jimmy era core.

A true rebuild would involve trading him and embracing an even younger roster


Is serving the most extreme form of rebuild the goal? Is that the one that is proven to provide best results?

Or is putting together the next form of true contending roster the goal?


Sounds like some want a full tear down and to be stuck in no man’s land for the next 20 years while we try to find even 1 true building block


What do you call the current state of the team?
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1915 » by DayofMourning » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:28 pm

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We about to release Mitchell to try and avoid the tax?!


Better not. I want #45 around for our resurgence next year. Him and Fears going to be quite the combo.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1916 » by twix2500 » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:31 pm

Beenie wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Is serving the most extreme form of rebuild the goal? Is that the one that is proven to provide best results?

Or is putting together the next form of true contending roster the goal?


Sounds like some want a full tear down and to be stuck in no man’s land for the next 20 years while we try to find even 1 true building block


What do you call the current state of the team?


it's been one month since trading away the building block player. One month
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1917 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:44 pm

VaDe255 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Is serving the most extreme form of rebuild the goal? Is that the one that is proven to provide best results?

Or is putting together the next form of true contending roster the goal?


Sounds like some want a full tear down and to be stuck in no man’s land for the next 20 years while we try to find even 1 true building block


They’re headed for no man’s land regardless of whether they go for a full teardown or not.
Right now, the most realistic path to turning things around is keep losing and hope for lottery luck to land a top-4 pick.

Otherwise, the likely scenario is an offseason of more inaction, extending Tyler and running it back with nothing but "hopes and dreams of internal development", because they have no flexibility.

This is treadmill territory, the worst place to be in the NBA, Bam gets older and less valueable; If Tyler isn't making more leaps his value will decrease also. They'll be left selling on these guys too late, just like the Raptors did it too late


We have THE GODFATHER, we’re contending after next season if not next season.
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1918 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:49 pm

Beenie wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Is serving the most extreme form of rebuild the goal? Is that the one that is proven to provide best results?

Or is putting together the next form of true contending roster the goal?


Sounds like some want a full tear down and to be stuck in no man’s land for the next 20 years while we try to find even 1 true building block


What do you call the current state of the team?


Well we have 1 guy who has shown he can impact winning at a high level when it matters most in the playoffs who just so happens to be a guy several players have already wanted to come to Miami to play with (he can’t make the FO get the deal done) who is also the best defender in the world.

We have several assets to actually get something done for the first time in a long time. I think we could get 2 high level guys this summer, or maybe 1 this summer and another the following summer. Guys will shake free and they’ll continue to want to come play with Bam.

Trust me, I wish it all played out with Jimmy here and we were going into this offseason with KD likely in the way but that isn’t the case. Still doesn’t change the fact we have assets and a building block to add to already. I’d rather than then send everyone out and blow it up and pray to win big in crap shoot drafts
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1919 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Mar 16, 2025 7:01 pm

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JJJ who torched Bam and is better than Bam scored 10 points on 5-9 shooting against Bam (actually solid compared to what he usually does) and Bam had 14 points on 5-6 shooting against JJJ
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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8 

Post#1920 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sun Mar 16, 2025 7:19 pm

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We about to release Mitchell to try and avoid the tax?!

I outlined that they will most likely non tender him next year as he’s the first domino that gets them below the line. Looks like they could fast track it if it gets them out this year. We need a better shooter at PG tbh.

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