2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9

[Vertical Limit]

There is less than 1% chance that an all nba supermax eligible player will ask for a trade at any point during their prime. You will have to really give up everything youve got and then some help from other teams to get that deal done. And i mean everything. Bam, Herro, Ware, whatever firsts youve got for the next decade that is tradeable.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Maybe with Herro crying for Jimmy mid playoff series we can send him to the Warriors and get 2 1sts to send 4 1sts expirings and majority of the young guys for Giannis then our remaining 1st and whatever else we have of value for KD.

Davion
Pelle or Burks
KD
Giannis
Bam

Stay tuned.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I blame Grant Williams. Fuxk that guy.

[VaDe255]

Which teams would actually be willing to take on the deadweight contracts you mentioned? Exactly — none.
No team is interested unless you're willing to attach either Herro, Bam, and some draft picks.

At the right price, everyone should be available. The whole "homegrown and nurtured" narrative is getting old.

At the right price everyone should be available but that price just won’t be there. Bam is not getting traded for picks and nobody is going to give you a good amount of picks for Herro and his contract either. We are kinda stuck right now until 2026 when we have maximum flexibility around Bam and Herro. They need to get off of Wiggins in the offseason then see how the season plays out in 2025. Keep as many assets as possible. We can always trade the 2026 pick on draft day to get over the Stepien. We will be open for S&T’s and absorbing contracts. Will have many more options.

I was really hoping Herros improvement this season was going to translate to the playoffs. I was happy with his play for the most part this year but I said earlier in the season while it’s great we needed to see if he could do these things offensively in the playoffs. With his looming extension this series probably killed a good chunk of his value in what I thought was a season his value may have peaked coming off an all star appearance. He’s struggled to score against the Cavs weak/average perimeter defenders and has been hunted so much defensively that the opposing team is just bringing it out in the open to the media without a care in the world because they know he won’t be able to defend them regardless of what they say. Just another downside of making the playoffs. I will say the Cavs job defensively is pretty easy when you know you only have to focus on 2 of the 8-9 guys getting playing time.

Herro is the major reason they even are in the playoffs (said f**k you to all who wanted the pick and went for 38 and 30 on ridiculous efficiency).
He's done fine in terms of the basketball that was played, the Davion/Herro backcourt isn't the problem.

The series is probably 2-1 Cavs right now if the Heat had some competent Wings and Bam (the playoff riser) could attack matchups, he's shooting 51% TS in the series and they are losing games, because they can't stop anything on defense, their frontcourt abused Bam in the last game.

If I'd take anything from this team it's the Davion/Herro backcourt, that is the one thing that has been great this postseason run.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

At the right price everyone should be available but that price just won’t be there. Bam is not getting traded for picks and nobody is going to give you a good amount of picks for Herro and his contract either. We are kinda stuck right now until 2026 when we have maximum flexibility around Bam and Herro. They need to get off of Wiggins in the offseason then see how the season plays out in 2025. Keep as many assets as possible. We can always trade the 2026 pick on draft day to get over the Stepien. We will be open for S&T’s and absorbing contracts. Will have many more options.

I was really hoping Herros improvement this season was going to translate to the playoffs. I was happy with his play for the most part this year but I said earlier in the season while it’s great we needed to see if he could do these things offensively in the playoffs. With his looming extension this series probably killed a good chunk of his value in what I thought was a season his value may have peaked coming off an all star appearance. He’s struggled to score against the Cavs weak/average perimeter defenders and has been hunted so much defensively that the opposing team is just bringing it out in the open to the media without a care in the world because they know he won’t be able to defend them regardless of what they say. Just another downside of making the playoffs. I will say the Cavs job defensively is pretty easy when you know you only have to focus on 2 of the 8-9 guys getting playing time.

Herro is the major reason they even are in the playoffs (said f**k you to all who wanted the pick and went for 38 and 30 on ridiculous efficiency).
He's done fine in terms of the basketball that was played, the Davion/Herro backcourt isn't the problem.

The series is probably 2-1 Cavs right now if the Heat had some competent Wings and Bam (the playoff riser) could attack matchups, he's shooting 51% TS in the series and they are losing games, because they can't stop anything on defense, their frontcourt abused Bam in the last game.

If I'd take anything from this team it's the Davion/Herro backcourt, that is the one thing that has been great this postseason run.

Herro played well against some bottom feeders in the play in, got to the playoffs and is getting bitched by Sam Merrill and Strus to the point he’s crying for Jimmy to come back. Bams the one with an actual tough matchup and no playmaker on the roster to free him up whatsoever. You have Mobley and Allen getting wide open looks and getting assisted on 80% and 94% of their baskets while bam is assisted on 50% of his, 30% of his 2 pointers (lmao) it must be nice.

Herros supposed to be a 1st option but Bams been the leading scorer for 6 of our last 8 playoffs games, Herro shrivels up when the playoffs get here every single season and now he’s being hunted relentlessly and clowned by the opposing players in the media for being a free bucket. There’s a reason we made deep runs when Herro went out.

I agree on Davion, he has outplayed Herro by far and can actually play defense. I’d be shocked if they let him go

[Kobewade11]

Herro is the major reason they even are in the playoffs (said f**k you to all who wanted the pick and went for 38 and 30 on ridiculous efficiency).
He's done fine in terms of the basketball that was played, the Davion/Herro backcourt isn't the problem.

The series is probably 2-1 Cavs right now if the Heat had some competent Wings and Bam (the playoff riser) could attack matchups, he's shooting 51% TS in the series and they are losing games, because they can't stop anything on defense, their frontcourt abused Bam in the last game.

If I'd take anything from this team it's the Davion/Herro backcourt, that is the one thing that has been great this postseason run.

It's like I said, Mitchell has been our best player in this series. With Herro and Bam I think Herro's game 2 was the standout individual performance but I'd say both have fallen short of providing what this team really needs game in and game out. I think most of us would agree there but what we typically get is overcritical of one and overdefensive of the other. Like all year long we hear Bam is the team's best player, no ceiling, should be getting 25 shots a night, etc. then the playoffs come and a dog lines up on the other side and its well he has a hard matchup so we cant expect him to do anything and I didn't even get into Wiggins who imo has been the biggest disappointment this series considering he could have been the true X factor

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m not saying don’t expect anything from Bam, he’s the best big in the series and it would be evident if he was playing next to the playmaking Mobley/Allen have to where they basically dont have to create any offense thenselves (it would help Herro a ton too). Herro and Wiggins are the ones that are supposed to have the most favorable matchups is what I’m getting at and they’re getting clamped by Strus and Merrill and dogged on the defensive end to go along with it. Herros not even the biggest disappointment, we’ve known he’s not a playoff player, Wiggins is the one of most disappointed in. I was just pointing out that I wish Herros game would’ve translated to the playoffs and how they may have effected his value in a trade and didn’t even mention Bam lol. Mobleys scored more efficiently (off mostly open assisted baskets) Bam rebounded, made plays, and defended better.

[marson]

Herro is the major reason they even are in the playoffs (said f**k you to all who wanted the pick and went for 38 and 30 on ridiculous efficiency).
He's done fine in terms of the basketball that was played, the Davion/Herro backcourt isn't the problem.

The series is probably 2-1 Cavs right now if the Heat had some competent Wings and Bam (the playoff riser) could attack matchups, he's shooting 51% TS in the series and they are losing games, because they can't stop anything on defense, their frontcourt abused Bam in the last game.

If I'd take anything from this team it's the Davion/Herro backcourt, that is the one thing that has been great this postseason run.

It's like I said, Mitchell has been our best player in this series. With Herro and Bam I think Herro's game 2 was the standout individual performance but I'd say both have fallen short of providing what this team really needs game in and game out. I think most of us would agree there but what we typically get is overcritical of one and overdefensive of the other. Like all year long we hear Bam is the team's best player, no ceiling, should be getting 25 shots a night, etc. then the playoffs come and a dog lines up on the other side and its well he has a hard matchup so we cant expect him to do anything and I didn't even get into Wiggins who imo has been the biggest disappointment this series considering he could have been the true X factor

This made me spit my coffee

[twix2500]

I was going to make a better illustrated video on Herro struggles with Cavs. But it just so dam depressing

[greg4012]

I’m not saying don’t expect anything from Bam, he’s the best big in the series and it would be evident if he was playing next to the playmaking Mobley/Allen have to where they basically dont have to create any offense thenselves (it would help Herro a ton too). Herro and Wiggins are the ones that are supposed to have the most favorable matchups is what I’m getting at and they’re getting clamped by Strus and Merrill and dogged on the defensive end to go along with it. Herros not even the biggest disappointment, we’ve known he’s not a playoff player, Wiggins is the one of most disappointed in. I was just pointing out that I wish Herros game would’ve translated to the playoffs and how they may have effected his value in a trade and didn’t even mention Bam lol. Mobleys scored more efficiently (off mostly open assisted baskets) Bam rebounded, made plays, and defended better.

Correct.

79% of Mobley's FGM this series are assisted. 94% of Jarrett Allen's FGM this series are assisted. 50% of Bam's FGM this series are assisted.

40% of Donovan Mitchell's FGM this series are assisted. 31% of Darius Garland's FGM this series are assisted. 52% of Herro's FGM this series are assisted. 45% of Davion Mitchell's FGM this series are assisted.

Donovan Mitchell's assist percentage is at 23% this series after being at 28% this season.
Darius Garland's assist percentage is at 47% this series after being at 35% this season.
Herro's assist percentage is at 17% this series after being at 28% this season.
Davion Mitchell's assist percentage is at 40% this series after being at 31% this season.

Functional offense where perimeter players can generate offense for themselves and their bigs vs the disjointed offense that Miami has been trying to find all season. Cleveland's guards are creating offense for themselves and others at a rate commensurate with or better than the regular season. Miami's guards overall are not (and Miami's baseline was a much worse starting point to begin with).

This is not a new issue.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I think Wiggins tenure in a Miami Heat uniform is going to be short lived. Especially considering we probably don't want to deal with his 30.1 million player option in 2026. I think he ends up reuniting again with Klay Thompson in Dallas. That seems like a really good fit for Wiggins.

[marson]

I think Wiggins tenure in a Miami Heat uniform is going to be short lived. Especially considering we probably don't want to deal with his 30.1 million player option in 2026. I think he ends up reuniting again with Klay Thompson in Dallas. That seems like a really good fit for Wiggins.

Nico Harrison says no. Max Christie/Nanji are way better fit imo.

[marson]

I’m not saying don’t expect anything from Bam, he’s the best big in the series and it would be evident if he was playing next to the playmaking Mobley/Allen have to where they basically dont have to create any offense thenselves (it would help Herro a ton too). Herro and Wiggins are the ones that are supposed to have the most favorable matchups is what I’m getting at and they’re getting clamped by Strus and Merrill and dogged on the defensive end to go along with it. Herros not even the biggest disappointment, we’ve known he’s not a playoff player, Wiggins is the one of most disappointed in. I was just pointing out that I wish Herros game would’ve translated to the playoffs and how they may have effected his value in a trade and didn’t even mention Bam lol. Mobleys scored more efficiently (off mostly open assisted baskets) Bam rebounded, made plays, and defended better.

Correct.

79% of Mobley's FGM this series are assisted. 94% of Jarrett Allen's FGM this series are assisted. 50% of Bam's FGM this series are assisted.

40% of Donovan Mitchell's FGM this series are assisted. 31% of Darius Garland's FGM this series are assisted. 52% of Herro's FGM this series are assisted. 45% of Davion Mitchell's FGM this series are assisted.

Donovan Mitchell's assist percentage is at 23% this series after being at 28% this season.
Darius Garland's assist percentage is at 47% this series after being at 35% this season.
Herro's assist percentage is at 17% this series after being at 28% this season.
Davion Mitchell's assist percentage is at 40% this series after being at 31% this season.

Functional offense where perimeter players can generate offense for themselves and their bigs vs the disjointed offense that Miami has been trying to find all season.

This is not a new issue.

Dang, If only he made some of those corner threes in Game 2. The FGM assisted would've bumped up a lil bit.

[Hallstar]

I was going to make a better illustrated video on Herro struggles with Cavs. But it just so dam depressing

Missing the floaters doesn't really bother me, it's how they're guarding him off ball Spo has to be able to counter. The entire defense last game was based around Herro ball denial.

[greg4012]

I’m not saying don’t expect anything from Bam, he’s the best big in the series and it would be evident if he was playing next to the playmaking Mobley/Allen have to where they basically dont have to create any offense thenselves (it would help Herro a ton too). Herro and Wiggins are the ones that are supposed to have the most favorable matchups is what I’m getting at and they’re getting clamped by Strus and Merrill and dogged on the defensive end to go along with it. Herros not even the biggest disappointment, we’ve known he’s not a playoff player, Wiggins is the one of most disappointed in. I was just pointing out that I wish Herros game would’ve translated to the playoffs and how they may have effected his value in a trade and didn’t even mention Bam lol. Mobleys scored more efficiently (off mostly open assisted baskets) Bam rebounded, made plays, and defended better.

Correct.

79% of Mobley's FGM this series are assisted. 94% of Jarrett Allen's FGM this series are assisted. 50% of Bam's FGM this series are assisted.

40% of Donovan Mitchell's FGM this series are assisted. 31% of Darius Garland's FGM this series are assisted. 52% of Herro's FGM this series are assisted. 45% of Davion Mitchell's FGM this series are assisted.

Donovan Mitchell's assist percentage is at 23% this series after being at 28% this season.
Darius Garland's assist percentage is at 47% this series after being at 35% this season.
Herro's assist percentage is at 17% this series after being at 28% this season.
Davion Mitchell's assist percentage is at 40% this series after being at 31% this season.

Functional offense where perimeter players can generate offense for themselves and their bigs vs the disjointed offense that Miami has been trying to find all season.

This is not a new issue.

Dang, If only he made some of those corner threes in Game 2. The FGM assisted would've bumped up a lil bit.

That would be nice (if he made 2 more 3s, it would have bumped his assisted % of FGM to 54%). Bam's shooting 35% from 3 for the series (level with his regular season), so it shouldn't be expected. If any team makes 100% of their open 3s, they're probably winning the series.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I think Wiggins tenure in a Miami Heat uniform is going to be short lived. Especially considering we probably don't want to deal with his 30.1 million player option in 2026. I think he ends up reuniting again with Klay Thompson in Dallas. That seems like a really good fit for Wiggins.

Nico Harrison says no. Max Christie/Nanji are way better fit imo.

Mavs are in win now mode and Christie is more of a backup two guard and eventual successor to Klay. They were running out PJ Washington at the starting SF spot. Getting Wiggins and Klay back together could be intriguing. Naji Marshall is a solid player but would continue is his backup SF role behind Wiggins.

[marson]

I think Wiggins tenure in a Miami Heat uniform is going to be short lived. Especially considering we probably don't want to deal with his 30.1 million player option in 2026. I think he ends up reuniting again with Klay Thompson in Dallas. That seems like a really good fit for Wiggins.

Nico Harrison says no. Max Christie/Nanji are way better fit imo.

Mavs are in win now mode and Christie is more of a backup two guard. They were running out PJ Washington at the starting SF spot. Getting Wiggins and Klay back together could be intriguing. Naji Marshall is a solid player but would continue is his backup SF role behind Wiggins.

They have Exum too round up their wings. They will probably throw their assets for KD first. Last thing they want to add is an underperforming player and I'm afraid Wiggs is stuck here for a while. I hope we somehow can trade him though.

[Flash4thewin]

I was going to make a better illustrated video on Herro struggles with Cavs. But it just so dam depressing

What surprises me the most is the level of complete disrespect they are showing Bam as a scorer. They are treating him like he is Anthony Carter or Kidd without the passing. This season, the second Jimmy was traded, heck even before that should have been focus on making Bam more of a scorer. Our coaching staff and its philosophy failed us big time this year. Then to add insult to injury they double down when we trade for Wiggins and try to make him a first option pushing Bam further down the scoring ladder. At least this abomination of a season is almost over for us.

[marson]

I was going to make a better illustrated video on Herro struggles with Cavs. But it just so dam depressing

What surprises me the most is the level of complete disrespect they are showing Bam as a scorer. They are treating him like he is Anthony Carter or Kidd without the passing. This season, the second Jimmy was traded, heck even before that should have been focus on making Bam more of a scorer. Our coaching staff and its philosophy failed us big time this year. Then to add insult to injury they double down when we trade for Wiggins and try to make him a first option pushing Bam further down the scoring ladder. At least this abomination of a season is almost over for us.

Made a video breakdown. Their gameplan for our bigs is chicken BBQ.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Nico Harrison says no. Max Christie/Nanji are way better fit imo.

Mavs are in win now mode and Christie is more of a backup two guard. They were running out PJ Washington at the starting SF spot. Getting Wiggins and Klay back together could be intriguing. Naji Marshall is a solid player but would continue is his backup SF role behind Wiggins.

They have Exum too round up their wings. They will probably throw their assets for KD first. Last thing they want to add is an underperforming player and I'm afraid Wiggs is stuck here for a while. I hope we somehow can trade him though.

Klay is still very close with him and could put in a good word. I'm just saying out of all those names you are throwing out none of them really helped the Mavs at the wing spot other then Marshall coming off the bench. Exum was in a ball handling role as more of a PG. PJ Washington was forced to play out of position at the wing spot. Wiggins presents a better fit for them and though he has struggled with us he does have a good history when put in the right spot. Trying to find that connection he had with Klay in Golden State to put along side Davis with the eventual return of Irving could be of interest to Dallas. When talking about a trade were are looking at something along the lines of PJ Washington with Caleb Martin or Daniel Gafford for matching purpose. Washington is an upcoming free agent and Martin didn't seem to be a really good fit in Dallas. Gafford is also an upcoming free agent.