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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1921 » by SoFlaKingReal » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:04 pm

carnageta wrote:Bam is our most under appreciated player since Chris Bosh. People only truly started appreciating Chris when he went down with the illness.

If judging a players offensive and defensive impact was as easy as looking at the box-score, there wouldn't be numerous mathematicians, statisticians, and data scientists working for every single NBA team, including the NBA itself. They could just hire realGM folks, who are box-score experts, for the job and save millions :lol:


Bam is our Draymond Green.

Real basketball fans know the value these players bring to winning, even if its not shown in the box score.
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1922 » by carnageta » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:06 pm

Trae Young would have made minced meat out of Yurt in the playoffs. Just so ya'll know.
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1923 » by contract » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:09 pm

carnageta wrote:Ya'll are really trying to use a 15 game sample size from December/January to convince yourself that Bam is expendable due to the presence of Yurtseven.

The cult of Yurt is out of control. You'd never know that he's an end of the bench guy.
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1924 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:11 pm

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carnageta wrote:Ya'll are really trying to use a 15 game sample size from December/January to convince yourself that Bam is expendable due to the presence of Yurtseven.

The cult of Yurt is out of control. You'd never know that he's an end of the bench guy.


Dudes apparently still the 3rd stringer lol Barry said in the article I just posted that Dedmon is the backup to Bam.

Oh he also said the Heat don’t want to trade Bam for KD…..
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1925 » by greg4012 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:14 pm

SoFlaKingReal wrote:Would you trade Bam for Robert Williams taking their contracts into account?

I doubt the Celtics would.


No.

Robert Williams looks very different if he’s not on the floor with an Al Horford big. He can survive some on switches but will get exploited if forced to do so for high numbers. He’s an elite luxury that puts a defense over the top when he can solely serve as a help defender around the rim while tasked with always guarding the corner 3.

That’s not even getting into offensive ability and upside.

That’s not even getting into his degenerative knees that he just further worsened by rushing back and opting for a knee scrape rather than knee repair this season.

Idk if Williams looks as good as he did this season by the end of his current contract
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1926 » by Bishop45 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:16 pm

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The biggest issue with this is where to reroute Ben Simmons unless it would be to us. (yuck)

If it were just Bam, filler, picks for KD swap it may have already been a done deal

I'm no fan of Simmons but he's a fantastic defender and a great passer.

Say you move Bam, Herro and Lowry for KD and Simmons.

You move Oladipo to PG, Butler SG, Simmons to SF, KD PF, find a defensive big to play center.

Let's just forget the offense for a second, what is the potential of that defense? Possibly one of the all time great defenses depending on the center they could find? Then on offense having KD your #1, Butler your #2 and Oladipo #3. I get Simmons can't/won't shoot but the amount of deflections and steals that defense could create would really allow Miami to utilize Simmons in the open court on breaks. On offense I'd try to utilize Simmons in Bam sets especially if you can park your center in the corner.

I do get it, Simmons just screwed over Philly and Brooklyn, back concerns and we all understand basketball is just a job for him. It's a roll of the dice but having KD, Butler, Spoelstra and Miami's FO pushing Simons, maybe Miami can do for Simmons what Golden State did for Wiggins?

Simmons isn't anything but a headcase right now, and there's no indication that he's ever going to be able to contribute. Last we saw of him he was passing up a dunk/layup down 2 points with 3:30 left in game 7 of the Eastern Conference Semifinals.



Forget the screwed over Philly/Brooklyn thing. What are you going to do with an NBA player so averse to pressure that he can't dunk a ball with the season on the line? What are you going to do with an NBA player that feels so much pressure that he won't even attempt a wide open jumper in a low stakes regular season game?

NBA fans know he's weak in the head and they will be merciless with him. And I'm sure players will be too. Of all the potential outcomes for Ben Simmons, I think him turning it around and becoming even what he once was is the least likely scenario.


Idk, I think these might be a little egregious to base off of one play tbh
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1927 » by AirP. » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:19 pm

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The biggest issue with this is where to reroute Ben Simmons unless it would be to us. (yuck)

If it were just Bam, filler, picks for KD swap it may have already been a done deal

I'm no fan of Simmons but he's a fantastic defender and a great passer.

Say you move Bam, Herro and Lowry for KD and Simmons.

You move Oladipo to PG, Butler SG, Simmons to SF, KD PF, find a defensive big to play center.

Let's just forget the offense for a second, what is the potential of that defense? Possibly one of the all time great defenses depending on the center they could find? Then on offense having KD your #1, Butler your #2 and Oladipo #3. I get Simmons can't/won't shoot but the amount of deflections and steals that defense could create would really allow Miami to utilize Simmons in the open court on breaks. On offense I'd try to utilize Simmons in Bam sets especially if you can park your center in the corner.

I do get it, Simmons just screwed over Philly and Brooklyn, back concerns and we all understand basketball is just a job for him. It's a roll of the dice but having KD, Butler, Spoelstra and Miami's FO pushing Simons, maybe Miami can do for Simmons what Golden State did for Wiggins?

Simmons isn't anything but a headcase right now, and there's no indication that he's ever going to be able to contribute. Last we saw of him he was passing up a dunk/layup down 2 points with 3:30 left in game 7 of the Eastern Conference Semifinals.


Forget the screwed over Philly/Brooklyn thing. What are you going to do with an NBA player so averse to pressure that he can't dunk a ball with the season on the line? What are you going to do with an NBA player that feels so much pressure that he won't even attempt a wide open jumper in a low stakes regular season game?

NBA fans know he's weak in the head and they will be merciless with him. And I'm sure players will be too. Of all the potential outcomes for Ben Simmons, I think him turning it around and becoming even what he once was is the least likely scenario.


He's a headcase now because of one play? Is there any chance he's learned from that one play, I think there is. This is a chance of paying 10 cents on the dollar for a talented player especially if it's just costing Lowry + a little more to be included in the KD trade.

For some reason I think Simmons' in Miami's environment with Butler having the organization behind him to push Simmons and of course, Spoelstra putting Simmons in positions to succeed could turn him around. If Miami can do that, or at least make Simmons look like he use to there's the chance of turning around and trading a Simmons package for another star in 1 to 2 seasons if they want to.

I understand Simmons' limitations... shooting and free throws, 2 HUGE issues of course, but he's also an all-nba level defender, has great size for a wing defender and has incredible ability to create shots for teammates. Once again, I think it's worth the cost of an expanded KD trade if it doesn't cost all that much.
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1928 » by Bishop45 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:20 pm

BenoUdrihFTL wrote:I'm probably in the minority but I'm intrigued with the idea of acquiring Simmons. I mean if "Heat Culture" is actually a real thing then we should be fairly confident in the team's ability to get Simmons on track

But to compensate for Simmons' lack of outside shooting I'd use him and KD as an interchangeable switching PF/C duo and keep a shooter in the lineup (Durant proved to be a solid rim-protector in GS and I believe Simmons could be as well). Have a starting 5 of switchable guys who can all play and defend multiple positions

F/C - Simmons
F/C - Durant
F/G - Yimmy
G/F - Strus
G/F - Dipo


If we're keeping it a buck, Bam and Simmons potential are not very far off from each other-- he was being called a future MVP in his second season... He's far from incorrigible

His percieved low value could be a plus for us if we could pull off KD/Simmons in a trade
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1929 » by greg4012 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:24 pm

Bishop45 wrote:
BenoUdrihFTL wrote:I'm probably in the minority but I'm intrigued with the idea of acquiring Simmons. I mean if "Heat Culture" is actually a real thing then we should be fairly confident in the team's ability to get Simmons on track

But to compensate for Simmons' lack of outside shooting I'd use him and KD as an interchangeable switching PF/C duo and keep a shooter in the lineup (Durant proved to be a solid rim-protector in GS and I believe Simmons could be as well). Have a starting 5 of switchable guys who can all play and defend multiple positions

F/C - Simmons
F/C - Durant
F/G - Yimmy
G/F - Strus
G/F - Dipo


If we're keeping it a buck, Bam and Simmons potential are not very far off from each other-- he was being called a future MVP in his second season... He's far from incorrigible

His percieved low value could be a plus for us if we could pull off KD/Simmons in a trade


Now let’s keep it a mill and discuss likelihood to reach potential and investment in growth of a player for next 10 years

Michael Beasley’s “potential” is available for peanuts rn
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1930 » by AirP. » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:25 pm

BenoUdrihFTL wrote:I'm probably in the minority but I'm intrigued with the idea of acquiring Simmons. I mean if "Heat Culture" is actually a real thing then we should be fairly confident in the team's ability to get Simmons on track

But to compensate for Simmons' lack of outside shooting I'd use him and KD as an interchangeable switching PF/C duo and keep a shooter in the lineup (Durant proved to be a solid rim-protector in GS and I believe Simmons could be as well). Have a starting 5 of switchable guys who can all play and defend multiple positions

F/C - Simmons
F/C - Durant
F/G - Yimmy
G/F - Strus
G/F - Dipo


And something nice about this... you actually have a lengthy 7 footer to help stop other 7 footers from getting those easy offensive rebounds because nobody can get high enough to fight for the ball, at worst Durant could tap a few of those potential rebounds away from the other team's 7 footer.

The issue is trying to defend Giannis, Embiid or even Jokic in the playoffs, Miami would have to find some big who could possibly have enough strength to defend those types of bigs.
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1931 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:27 pm

Barry also says if we bring back Ud we aren’t signing anyone else. Unless we cut Highsmith which he said is unlikely.
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Post#1932 » by insfo » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:29 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Barry also says if we bring back Ud we aren’t signing anyone else. Unless we cut Highsmith which he said is unlikely.


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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1933 » by HeatIn5 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:30 pm

If we run it back, start Yurt
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1934 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:33 pm

Ben Simmons starting at center with Embiid out vs Rudy Gobert and the Jazz (Gobert had 11 pts and 9 rebs, Philly outrebounded Utah by 6):

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202102150UTA.html

1.61803398874989484820458683436563811772030917980576286
2135448622705260462818902449707207
204189391137484754088
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1935 » by Bishop45 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:39 pm

greg4012 wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
BenoUdrihFTL wrote:I'm probably in the minority but I'm intrigued with the idea of acquiring Simmons. I mean if "Heat Culture" is actually a real thing then we should be fairly confident in the team's ability to get Simmons on track

But to compensate for Simmons' lack of outside shooting I'd use him and KD as an interchangeable switching PF/C duo and keep a shooter in the lineup (Durant proved to be a solid rim-protector in GS and I believe Simmons could be as well). Have a starting 5 of switchable guys who can all play and defend multiple positions

F/C - Simmons
F/C - Durant
F/G - Yimmy
G/F - Strus
G/F - Dipo


If we're keeping it a buck, Bam and Simmons potential are not very far off from each other-- he was being called a future MVP in his second season... He's far from incorrigible

His percieved low value could be a plus for us if we could pull off KD/Simmons in a trade


Now let’s keep it a mill and discuss likelihood to reach potential and investment in growth of a player for next 10 years

Michael Beasley’s “potential” is available for peanuts rn


I don't think the likelihood of either reaching their potential is very far off either...

We're not talking about 'could've-been' players, these are their credentials:

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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1936 » by IceColdCubano » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:44 pm

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Then they’re idiots because he’ll almost single handedly eliminate their star player no matter who it is :lol:

which star did Bam eliminate in these last playoffs? looked like everyone played to their standard, except Atlanta's PG who got destroyed by our Guards/Wings on the switches. what star Center on the other team played below their standards?


Did we just forget bam absolutely clamping Embiid in games 5 & 6 in blowout wins?

I will reserve that until I see him shut down a healthy Embiid, when Embiid is healthy its usually not the case.
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1937 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:48 pm

IceColdCubano wrote:
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IceColdCubano wrote:which star did Bam eliminate in these last playoffs? looked like everyone played to their standard, except Atlanta's PG who got destroyed by our Guards/Wings on the switches. what star Center on the other team played below their standards?


Did we just forget bam absolutely clamping Embiid in games 5 & 6 in blowout wins?

I will reserve that until I see him shut down a healthy Embiid, when Embiid is healthy its usually not the case.


See my post after that showing him clamping basically the top 3 players on every team we played in the playoffs. This season.
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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1938 » by greg4012 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:48 pm

Bishop45 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
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If we're keeping it a buck, Bam and Simmons potential are not very far off from each other-- he was being called a future MVP in his second season... He's far from incorrigible

His percieved low value could be a plus for us if we could pull off KD/Simmons in a trade


Now let’s keep it a mill and discuss likelihood to reach potential and investment in growth of a player for next 10 years

Michael Beasley’s “potential” is available for peanuts rn


I don't think the likelihood of either reaching their potential is very far off either...

We're not talking about 'could've-been' players, these are their credentials:

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Re: Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA 

Post#1939 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:48 pm

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Post#1940 » by greg4012 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:49 pm

The fact that this thread is turning into a Simmons hype train is a bit nauseating to me

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