2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I agree Shams is likely telling the truth.

I think Bernie is just upset it became public

[twix2500]

I want Butler to retire as a Heat. But I do not see it happening. Reminder that just doesnt get talked about. Pat Riley gave up draft picks so Lebron, Bosh and Wade would have a fifth year on their contract. When the fifth year came, they all opted out. That pissed Riley off. Butler gets his extension and he threatens to opt out the final year of his last extension. Do not think the Heat are happy about it. This is purely a contractual dispute. Pat is not down with a farewell big contract

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Jimmy wants to stay and sign an extension, Heat are undecided and guaging the market. With that being the case Bernie is making it known what teams he’d be interested in if he was traded

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I want Butler to retire as a Heat. But I do not see it happening. Reminder that just doesnt get talked about. Pat Riley gave up draft picks so Lebron, Bosh and Wade would have a fifth year on their contract. When the fifth year came, they all opted out. That pissed Riley off. Butler gets his extension and he threatens to opt out the final year of his last extension. Do not think the Heat are happy about it. This is purely a contractual dispute. Pat is not down with a farewell big contract

He was ready to sign another extension last summer, Heat didn’t want to give it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Pat asked him to be available and we’d revisit. So far so good for the most part of what you could expect from a 35 year old. He’s actually trying for the most part too which has been another upgrade from last year

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Pat asked him to be available and we’d revisit. So far so good for the most part of what you could expect from a 35 year old. He’s actually trying for the most part too which has been another upgrade from last year

My guess is the parties meet in the middle at the end of the season due to lack of options to upgrade. No trade clause can be given cause his contract is needed to be put in play at any given time. Free agency is dead and matching contracts are needed to get anything done.

[twix2500]

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Pat asked him to be available and we’d revisit. So far so good for the most part of what you could expect from a 35 year old. He’s actually trying for the most part too which has been another upgrade from last year

My guess is the parties meet in the middle at the end of the season due to lack of options to upgrade. No trade clause can be given cause his contract is needed to be put in play at any given time. Free agency is dead and matching contracts are needed to get anything done.

They need to come to a settlement because, if not its gonna freeze the Heat from making moves.

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[AirP.]

I still get that health is a concern, but do you really think Butler is nearly done when he's currently dunking more than games played at age 35 which he hadn't done in any season his whole time in Miami?

What if, Butler's game and how he keeps himself in great shape can keep him a high level player deep into his 30s?

What I'm watching on the court this year to me doesn't really point towards a player that's nearly done. Why waste a few of Bam's prime years and take a massive step backwards if you don't have to, buy yourself a few more years to have the FO be more ready to pivot to a new build vs taking on some assets that probably won't bring back another high-level player in the next 2-3 years? If Herro's finally figured out his shot diet (will he be effective in the playoffs with teams able to scheme more against Miami) and the younger guys are developing, maybe 1 or 2 key moves could make this team a contender with Bam and Butler for the next few years.

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Yeah he's done as a top 10 player. Move him get the assets to possibly make a move for DeAaron Fox. This team has no shot against Boston with Butler making 50 mil for multiple seasons. A core of Fox, Herro and Bam doesnt beat Boston. But it gives you a longer window to add more pieces around them. It's a fact older players get worse every season. Butler is worse than he was last year. He will be worse next year than he is now. And even worse 2 seasons ago. If Heat want to be in denial over that, then we get more seasons like last year. Where they can get to round 2 because they compete hard but can't contend.

Because Butler's making 45 mil a season? Which has a bigger impact on this team being successful, Butler at 45 or having both Robinson and Rozier combined for 45 mil? I don't get this obsession with the amount of money when there are much bigger wastes of money on the roster.

Good luck on adding that next star since Miami's added one in 10 years of looking for one, that's a sobering reality I've had to live through with another team with a bunch of high 1st round picks.

[ZoStrong]

I still get that health is a concern, but do you really think Butler is nearly done when he's currently dunking more than games played at age 35 which he hadn't done in any season his whole time in Miami?

What if, Butler's game and how he keeps himself in great shape can keep him a high level player deep into his 30s?

What I'm watching on the court this year to me doesn't really point towards a player that's nearly done. Why waste a few of Bam's prime years and take a massive step backwards if you don't have to, buy yourself a few more years to have the FO be more ready to pivot to a new build vs taking on some assets that probably won't bring back another high-level player in the next 2-3 years? If Herro's finally figured out his shot diet (will he be effective in the playoffs with teams able to scheme more against Miami) and the younger guys are developing, maybe 1 or 2 key moves could make this team a contender with Bam and Butler for the next few years.

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Yeah he's done as a top 10 player. Move him get the assets to possibly make a move for DeAaron Fox. This team has no shot against Boston with Butler making 50 mil for multiple seasons. A core of Fox, Herro and Bam doesnt beat Boston. But it gives you a longer window to add more pieces around them. It's a fact older players get worse every season. Butler is worse than he was last year. He will be worse next year than he is now. And even worse 2 seasons ago. If Heat want to be in denial over that, then we get more seasons like last year. Where they can get to round 2 because they compete hard but can't contend.

Because Butler's making 45 mil a season? Which has a bigger impact on this team being successful, Butler at 45 or having both Robinson and Rozier combined for 45 mil? I don't get this obsession with the amount of money when there are much bigger wastes of money on the roster.

Good luck on adding that next star since Miami's added one in 10 years of looking for one, that's a sobering reality I've had to live through with another team with a bunch of high 1st round picks.

It's not the money he's making that's the problem.
If you are the best player, u gotta be available n show up in most games as the best player.
It's not one season, look at the games played last few seasons. And he's on pace to miss about 20 games this year. That's not the right recipe to give a max extension to an aging player who coasts through the regular season when we are barely making the playoffs, just hoping he performs a miracle in the playoffs.

Now, I still prefer to sign him to a team friendly extension. Maybe he realizes there's no max offers out there waiting for him n that happens.
Let's see if we keep winning before the deadline. That will determine a lot of things.

[AirP.]

Yeah he's done as a top 10 player. Move him get the assets to possibly make a move for DeAaron Fox. This team has no shot against Boston with Butler making 50 mil for multiple seasons. A core of Fox, Herro and Bam doesnt beat Boston. But it gives you a longer window to add more pieces around them. It's a fact older players get worse every season. Butler is worse than he was last year. He will be worse next year than he is now. And even worse 2 seasons ago. If Heat want to be in denial over that, then we get more seasons like last year. Where they can get to round 2 because they compete hard but can't contend.

Because Butler's making 45 mil a season? Which has a bigger impact on this team being successful, Butler at 45 or having both Robinson and Rozier combined for 45 mil? I don't get this obsession with the amount of money when there are much bigger wastes of money on the roster.

Good luck on adding that next star since Miami's added one in 10 years of looking for one, that's a sobering reality I've had to live through with another team with a bunch of high 1st round picks.

It's not the money he's making that's the problem.
If you are the best player, u gotta be available n show up in most games as the best player.
It's not one season, look at the games played last few seasons. And he's on pace to miss about 20 games this year. That's not the right recipe to give a max extension to an aging player who coasts through the regular season when we are barely making the playoffs, just hoping he performs a miracle in the playoffs.

Now, I still prefer to sign him to a team friendly extension. Maybe he realizes there's no max offers out there waiting for him n that happens.
Let's see if we keep winning before the deadline. That will determine a lot of things.

He's played the most games in a Heat uniform his last 2 season and that's with missing time with his father's health issues and eventually dying during the season last year.

The biggest reason I think Miami should keep Butler is because there might not be anyone coming for years and with the organization trying to win each year, that puts you in NBA purgatory until luck shines down on you and that star shows up but until then you'll be under the tax, add that good but not great player and win 40-46 games with no hope in the playoffs and that not good.

[twix2500]

I still get that health is a concern, but do you really think Butler is nearly done when he's currently dunking more than games played at age 35 which he hadn't done in any season his whole time in Miami?

What if, Butler's game and how he keeps himself in great shape can keep him a high level player deep into his 30s?

What I'm watching on the court this year to me doesn't really point towards a player that's nearly done. Why waste a few of Bam's prime years and take a massive step backwards if you don't have to, buy yourself a few more years to have the FO be more ready to pivot to a new build vs taking on some assets that probably won't bring back another high-level player in the next 2-3 years? If Herro's finally figured out his shot diet (will he be effective in the playoffs with teams able to scheme more against Miami) and the younger guys are developing, maybe 1 or 2 key moves could make this team a contender with Bam and Butler for the next few years.

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Yeah he's done as a top 10 player. Move him get the assets to possibly make a move for DeAaron Fox. This team has no shot against Boston with Butler making 50 mil for multiple seasons. A core of Fox, Herro and Bam doesnt beat Boston. But it gives you a longer window to add more pieces around them. It's a fact older players get worse every season. Butler is worse than he was last year. He will be worse next year than he is now. And even worse 2 seasons ago. If Heat want to be in denial over that, then we get more seasons like last year. Where they can get to round 2 because they compete hard but can't contend.

Because Butler's making 45 mil a season? Which has a bigger impact on this team being successful, Butler at 45 or having both Robinson and Rozier combined for 45 mil? I don't get this obsession with the amount of money when there are much bigger wastes of money on the roster.

Good luck on adding that next star since Miami's added one in 10 years of looking for one, that's a sobering reality I've had to live through with another team with a bunch of high 1st round picks.

The Heat are fine with his current contract. Butler is looking for the Max which is putting him on avarage 60 mill per.

If Butler opts out and becomes a free agent next offseason, he will be eligible to sign a four-year max contract projected to be worth about $243 million with the Heat or a max three-year contract worth $171 million elsewhere. But Butler and the Heat don’t have to reach that point if they can agree to the two-year max contract extension worth about $113 million that he’s already eligible for. The Heat also has until June 30 to sign Butler to this extension, which would keep him in Miami through the 2026-27 season when he’ll be 37 years old.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article296910939.html#storylink=cpy

[SA37]

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Yeah he's done as a top 10 player. Move him get the assets to possibly make a move for DeAaron Fox. This team has no shot against Boston with Butler making 50 mil for multiple seasons. A core of Fox, Herro and Bam doesnt beat Boston. But it gives you a longer window to add more pieces around them. It's a fact older players get worse every season. Butler is worse than he was last year. He will be worse next year than he is now. And even worse 2 seasons ago. If Heat want to be in denial over that, then we get more seasons like last year. Where they can get to round 2 because they compete hard but can't contend.

Because Butler's making 45 mil a season? Which has a bigger impact on this team being successful, Butler at 45 or having both Robinson and Rozier combined for 45 mil? I don't get this obsession with the amount of money when there are much bigger wastes of money on the roster.

Good luck on adding that next star since Miami's added one in 10 years of looking for one, that's a sobering reality I've had to live through with another team with a bunch of high 1st round picks.

The Heat are fine with his current contract. Butler is looking for the Max which is putting him on avarage 60 mill per.

If Butler opts out and becomes a free agent next offseason, he will be eligible to sign a four-year max contract projected to be worth about $243 million with the Heat or a max three-year contract worth $171 million elsewhere. But Butler and the Heat don’t have to reach that point if they can agree to the two-year max contract extension worth about $113 million that he’s already eligible for. The Heat also has until June 30 to sign Butler to this extension, which would keep him in Miami through the 2026-27 season when he’ll be 37 years old.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article296910939.html#storylink=cpy

What makes sense is to do the 2-year extension for $113M.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

just trade him for assets

then flip the assets in the summer for something, when we have more time between now and then

[ZoStrong]

Because Butler's making 45 mil a season? Which has a bigger impact on this team being successful, Butler at 45 or having both Robinson and Rozier combined for 45 mil? I don't get this obsession with the amount of money when there are much bigger wastes of money on the roster.

Good luck on adding that next star since Miami's added one in 10 years of looking for one, that's a sobering reality I've had to live through with another team with a bunch of high 1st round picks.

It's not the money he's making that's the problem.
If you are the best player, u gotta be available n show up in most games as the best player.
It's not one season, look at the games played last few seasons. And he's on pace to miss about 20 games this year. That's not the right recipe to give a max extension to an aging player who coasts through the regular season when we are barely making the playoffs, just hoping he performs a miracle in the playoffs.

Now, I still prefer to sign him to a team friendly extension. Maybe he realizes there's no max offers out there waiting for him n that happens.
Let's see if we keep winning before the deadline. That will determine a lot of things.

He's played the most games in a Heat uniform his last 2 season and that's with missing time with his father's health issues and eventually dying during the season last year.

The biggest reason I think Miami should keep Butler is because there might not be anyone coming for years and with the organization trying to win each year, that puts you in NBA purgatory until luck shines down on you and that star shows up but until then you'll be under the tax, add that good but not great player and win 40-46 games with no hope in the playoffs and that not good.

Sorry for the personal loss. But I don't want that as an excuse to miss so many games or playing poorly. We all have older family members who are dealing w things.
60 and 64. And probably around there w the current pace.

No, I fully expect there will be someone. Maybe not the first year after he leaves but within two years. I'm just going by the track record. You view the future performances w the past records. Ofc, crazy things do happen. But, vacating a max slot creates a space that lots players and agents will salivate. Miami has been a top destination and Spo and Bam are popular. Actually there are players who aren't keen on playing w Jimmy but LOVE to play w Bam cuz Bam is an accommodating star. He lets you be the top dog n be the main star, while doing the dirty work on the defense.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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So true as we thought Bernie just upset that it got out

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[AirP.]

Sorry for the personal loss. But I don't want that as an excuse to miss so many games or playing poorly. We all have older family members who are dealing w things.
60 and 64. And probably around there w the current pace.

What? You don't think a loved one struggling for their life and then dying isn't going to affect most players which may also lead to bad play and quite possibly bad vibes in the locker room? Wow. What an incredible way to run an organization with players who care enough about winning in the playoffs who are willing to take shots in the knee to be able to play in games.

No, I fully expect there will be someone. Maybe not the first year after he leaves but within two years. I'm just going by the track record. You view the future performances w the past records. Ofc, crazy things do happen. But, vacating a max slot creates a space that lots players and agents will salivate. Miami has been a top destination and Spo and Bam are popular. Actually there are players who aren't keen on playing w Jimmy but LOVE to play w Bam cuz Bam is an accommodating star. He lets you be the top dog n be the main star, while doing the dirty work on the defense.

Track record, they've been trying to get a true #1 the whole time Butler's been in Miami, in fact they've been looking for more years then that but now... instead of joining up with 2 guys who got Miami to the finals twice, now is the time to head to South Beach. What? I hope you're right but that usually doesn't happen without a lot of luck.

If you haven't noticed, Butler's not wanted to be the scorer, he's been doing it because he has to. He encouraged Embiid to take as many shots as possible when he was in Philly, he doesn't seem to have issues with Herro who's been taking more shots than him for years, he's just wanting to do the dirty work because that's his game.