2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 4

[Flash4thewin]

I don't think it has any affect on his trade value. The Suns are the only team that really wants him. They probably prefer that he gets suspended so he doesn't get hurt.

No player is going to look at an nba team and say "well I won't sign a max contract there cause they suspended X player". Just like Jimmy only cares about the Suns because they are the only ones ready to give him the max. And just like he came here even though Heat gave Wade the boot. Only thing that matters is their own bank account.

I just want this to end, make sure we dont get a lottery pick and continue to play Ware and Bam and this season will be a success.

Can someone explain the implications of us getting a lotto pick this year?

The OKC and the CHA picks owed become unprotected picks. Thats why it's in our best interest to make the playoffs and not the lottery this year.

Some think we can tank and get the pick this year and then it doesnt matter that we give up two unprotected picks because we got a lottery pick this year. It all depends on your risk tolerance and having everyone healthy. One Herro or Bam injury next year and we are in the lottery, imagine not owning that lottery pick, bad seasons happen, best to just pay the pick now would be my view.

[marson]

I don't understand why can't FO just let Jimmy stay at home until a trade is finalized. He's only dragging down the team's morale and not contributing to our standings.

Because he makes 565000 dollars per game to play basketball. And it cost the Heat 1.1M per game to keep his a$$ at home.

At this point, I’m only focused on the team’s standing. He’s likely getting traded eventually, so why waste time and energy? He shouldn’t have played in the Denver and Portland games. This whole situation feels like a power struggle between Butler and the front office.

A good example is PJ Tucker with the Clippers—why didn’t we go that route? Instead, we’re making it harder on the team’s morale by keeping Jimmy around.

[twix2500]

I don't understand why can't FO just let Jimmy stay at home until a trade is finalized. He's only dragging down the team's morale and not contributing to our standings.

Because he makes 565000 dollars per game to play basketball. And it cost the Heat 1.1M per game to keep his a$$ at home.

At this point, I’m only focused on the team’s standing. He’s likely getting traded eventually, so why waste time and energy? He shouldn’t have played in the Denver and Portland games. This whole situation feels like a power struggle between Butler and the front office.

A good example is PJ Tucker with the Clippers—why didn’t we go that route? Instead, we’re making it harder on the team’s morale by keeping Jimmy around.

It’s because he makes 50 mill and has another year on his contract. Who sits a player for two years

[MettaWorldPanda]

Read on Twitter

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Unfortunately I've lost an access to my main account and was just lurking for quite some time. But when I tried to register a new one I realised I have another account I've just stopped using.

Anyway. Up until recently I was barely watching any games this season except a few good Tyler ones. And it was never the case in previous seasons. And the main reason was Butler, even before all this drama. I was just tired of watching him half-assing in regular season and telling all this duck tales how he gonna turn it around in PO only to get injured. Absolutely uninspiring brand of basketball.

It’s has been a BRUTAL last 3 regular seasons watching this team. You swap Jimmy out with any other all star and it’s likely we see the same regular season success at the very minimum, it’s the playoffs that is up in the air but that doesn’t matter when he gets injured (like last season) and now we’ve practically wasted another season on his BS.

[marson]

Because he makes 565000 dollars per game to play basketball. And it cost the Heat 1.1M per game to keep his a$$ at home.

At this point, I’m only focused on the team’s standing. He’s likely getting traded eventually, so why waste time and energy? He shouldn’t have played in the Denver and Portland games. This whole situation feels like a power struggle between Butler and the front office.

A good example is PJ Tucker with the Clippers—why didn’t we go that route? Instead, we’re making it harder on the team’s morale by keeping Jimmy around.

It’s because he makes 50 mill and has another year on his contract. Who sits a player for two years

You’re missing the point. He’s about to be traded in the next few days or even hours. Who cares about whether he plays or the contract he signed? It’s all irrelevant. The front office needs to focus on the bigger picture and prioritize the team’s standing.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't understand why can't FO just let Jimmy stay at home until a trade is finalized. He's only dragging down the team's morale and not contributing to our standings.

Because he makes 565000 dollars per game to play basketball. And it cost the Heat 1.1M per game to keep his a$$ at home.

At this point, I’m only focused on the team’s standing. He’s likely getting traded eventually, so why waste time and energy? He shouldn’t have played in the Denver and Portland games. This whole situation feels like a power struggle between Butler and the front office.

A good example is PJ Tucker with the Clippers—why didn’t we go that route? Instead, we’re making it harder on the team’s morale by keeping Jimmy around.

We have now lost multiple games from his half assing and it’s costing us in the standings. This group is still trying to make the playoffs and be a tough out while getting guys more experience in the meantime before adding Fox this summer or going big in the 2026 offseason.

It’s one thing to have a dick swinging contest with the front office but when you start screwing over the guys you went to war with 500 games you’ve crossed a line.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m telling you swap Jimmy and Rozier out with competent and available players and this team will have a much more successful regular season and we will build our next contending team this summer. Add Brogdon or Ball in place of Terry, Middleton/Portis or Lopez or Lavine or something in place of Jimmy and we will instantly be better to close this season

[Nihilism]

Also a few takes.

Heat trading for Shaq was going all in.
Heat 2010 free agency was going all in.
Some desperate team restricted by cap space trading for Beal is not going all in. It desperate move.

[AirP.]

If he gets injured, he's probably opting into his player option next year vs being a FA, he's going to do the bare minimum for a roster that probably only gets as far as he can get them although the offense is no longer built around him or Bam. Butler should have been moved before the season started and Miami should have gone with developing the younger players while waiting for 2026.

This narrative that the offense was no longer built around butler needs to die a slow and painful death for the lie that it is. The offense adjusted and made due without him, which is why you suddenly see JJJ and Jokić handling the ball so much more, but that was after Jimmy checked out and all the rest of this stuff started to happen. It’s the same damn offense and that’s not the reason for his (or Bam, since that’s part of the angle) decreased output.

Yeah, and it also comes from a guy notorious for deferring to his teammates so he can preserve himself for PO. Sounds about right.

He's also playing PG on a team that shooting 39 3s a game which isn't really part of his game.

[contract]

Because he makes 565000 dollars per game to play basketball. And it cost the Heat 1.1M per game to keep his a$$ at home.

At this point, I’m only focused on the team’s standing. He’s likely getting traded eventually, so why waste time and energy? He shouldn’t have played in the Denver and Portland games. This whole situation feels like a power struggle between Butler and the front office.

A good example is PJ Tucker with the Clippers—why didn’t we go that route? Instead, we’re making it harder on the team’s morale by keeping Jimmy around.

We have now lost multiple games from his half assing and it’s costing us in the standings. This group is still trying to make the playoffs and be a tough out while getting guys more experience in the meantime before adding Fox this summer or going big in the 2026 offseason.

It’s one thing to have a dick swinging contest with the front office but when you start screwing over the guys you went to war with 500 games you’ve crossed a line.

Yeah ... but Jimmy didn't put himself out there. That was a Heat decision.

[Rapaz]

Read on Twitter

But his no-trade clause is active and warming up with the intent to play.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Please end this clown show circus already.

[AirP.]

Also a few takes.

Heat trading for Shaq was going all in.
Heat 2010 free agency was going all in.
Some desperate team restricted by cap space trading for Beal is not going all in. It desperate move.

Miami isn't taking Beal because had they considered that, they would have wanted Phoenix's 2031 1st round pick, that should have a great chance at being at the top of the draft (with KD and Butler gone) which has no baring of how good Miami may be at the time. It was possibly a golden ticket.

Now if Miami could have gotten Beal to drop his no trade from his contract (where they could trade him) then you consider it with that 2031 pick, maybe send him out at next year's deadline with lesser assets to clear the cap for 2026.

[Nihilism]

And what's the story with all this You can't build a championship team with two timelines type of thing? See this from time to time here and on gb. Miami Heat quite literally won their first championship on two timelines - Wades and Shaqs.

[contract]

Jimmy is behaving like a turd, but it's the Heat that keeps dropping him in the pool. At some point people need to hold the organization accountable for its actions.

[Rapaz]

Please end this clown show circus already.

This clown show circus is all I can give y’all. I cannot post any other way.

Oh, you mean Butler.

[AirP.]

And what's the story with all this You can't build a championship team with two timelines type of thing? See this from time to time here and on gb. Miami Heat quite literally won their first championship on two timelines - Wades and Shaqs.

What? They had something special about Wade and went all in with him by going to get Shaq.

Two timelines mean trying to gather young talent and develop them while also trying to compete for a championship, it doesn't really work. You need both development time for the younger players on the court while also needing the vets/better players building chemistry and figuring out roles during the season to be ready to go by the playoffs.

To put it in simpler terms, you don't maximize either timeline.

[Nihilism]

This narrative that the offense was no longer built around butler needs to die a slow and painful death for the lie that it is. The offense adjusted and made due without him, which is why you suddenly see JJJ and Jokić handling the ball so much more, but that was after Jimmy checked out and all the rest of this stuff started to happen. It’s the same damn offense and that’s not the reason for his (or Bam, since that’s part of the angle) decreased output.

Yeah, and it also comes from a guy notorious for deferring to his teammates so he can preserve himself for PO. Sounds about right.

He's also playing PG on a team that shooting 39 3s a game which isn't really part of his game.

That's simply not true. If he is incapable of shooting the three ball he should be surrounded with even more shooters.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I just want this to end, make sure we dont get a lottery pick and continue to play Ware and Bam and this season will be a success.

Can someone explain the implications of us getting a lotto pick this year?

The OKC and the CHA picks owed become unprotected picks. Thats why it's in our best interest to make the playoffs and not the lottery this year.

Some think we can tank and get the pick this year and then it doesnt matter that we give up two unprotected picks because we got a lottery pick this year. It all depends on your risk tolerance and having everyone healthy. One Herro or Bam injury next year and we are in the lottery, imagine not owning that lottery pick, bad seasons happen, best to just pay the pick now would be my view.

Yeah next year everyone will be hyping up how good that draft class is. Just pay the damn pick