Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 2 : We Running it Back.. (WITH MITCHELL!)

[Beenie]

Some were dismissing my Hou package for Jimmy as being unreasonable.

Lookin more reasonable by the minute

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[ZoStrong]

Old man keeps fuxking around every summer and missing out on Bams boys and an every other major improvement it might come a time where Bam decides it’s time to move on. If Mitchell doesn’t extend and Pat still can’t land him after the Knicks and Nets removing themselves from the race that’ll be 3 summers in a row now Pat can’t get it done. Is it likely Bam wants out? No. But if this keeps happening every summer while other teams aren’t scared and swing for the fences to give themselves the best chance to win he could start opening up to it

I don't understand why Heat fans want to start speaking this into some sort of reality when there are no signs of it being the case. Dude was drafted #14 and has been nothing but empowered by Miami ever since. Bam has flourished as a result.

3X All-Star, 5x All-defense, 2 finals appearances, 3 ECF appearances. All in his first 7 seasons in the NBA.

We're all frustrated that Miami hasn't been able to make a move to get over the hump and are stuck with some contracts that were clear mistakes. But, if Bam is being failed by Miami, then what Star player hasn't been utterly failed by their franchise?

Don’t want to speak it into existence but I want a sense of urgency from the front office to finally do right by him and even Jimmy and be aggressive in building them a championship supporting cast. Like what more do they need to see? we’ve got 2 finals trips in 5 years, 1 shot away from 3 and that is with an embarrassing supporting cast. Look at Tatum/Browns and Brunson/Randles supporting casts after Brunson just got there 2 years ago. Hell Banchero/Wagner, Lillard/Giannis, Mitchell/Garland, Hali/Siakam, Maxey/Embiid (especially after this summer) all have at worst slightly better supporting casts around them than our top 2 guys do. We’ve had 5 years of this build why are we not better rounded?

Now Bam is forced to do everything on both ends for basically everyone lol that’s vague but I know you know what I mean in terms of playmaking, free guys up with screens, DHOs, creating his own shots because no one else can help create for him consistently and then defensively just literally everything. Fans don’t understand it either and he has to exert so much energy everywhere that certain parts of his game likely suffer from it and his name gets drug through the mud.

Those awards are great, he will without a doubt be a hall of famer but honestly he should have even more and would if we have a better roster and his co-Star cared about the regular season. He wants to win DPOY and be 1st team every year and also make all nba which all have massive contract implications but he simply just won’t make those teams if we’re going to be a play in team every season.

I don’t want it to happen he’s my favorite player on my favorite team but some things have to start shaking soon, we know the players can see the incompetence and after Wade left Miami no one will ever be a sure thing to be a lifer.

This is why I hate player fans, lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Some were dismissing my Hou package for Jimmy as being unreasonable.

Lookin more reasonable by the minute

What were you thinking? The KD/Jimmy to the Rockets might actually have some legs. Might cause teams like the Sixers to increase their offer.

Who knows what’s really going on with us right now

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't understand why Heat fans want to start speaking this into some sort of reality when there are no signs of it being the case. Dude was drafted #14 and has been nothing but empowered by Miami ever since. Bam has flourished as a result.

3X All-Star, 5x All-defense, 2 finals appearances, 3 ECF appearances. All in his first 7 seasons in the NBA.

We're all frustrated that Miami hasn't been able to make a move to get over the hump and are stuck with some contracts that were clear mistakes. But, if Bam is being failed by Miami, then what Star player hasn't been utterly failed by their franchise?

Don’t want to speak it into existence but I want a sense of urgency from the front office to finally do right by him and even Jimmy and be aggressive in building them a championship supporting cast. Like what more do they need to see? we’ve got 2 finals trips in 5 years, 1 shot away from 3 and that is with an embarrassing supporting cast. Look at Tatum/Browns and Brunson/Randles supporting casts after Brunson just got there 2 years ago. Hell Banchero/Wagner, Lillard/Giannis, Mitchell/Garland, Hali/Siakam, Maxey/Embiid (especially after this summer) all have at worst slightly better supporting casts around them than our top 2 guys do. We’ve had 5 years of this build why are we not better rounded?

Now Bam is forced to do everything on both ends for basically everyone lol that’s vague but I know you know what I mean in terms of playmaking, free guys up with screens, DHOs, creating his own shots because no one else can help create for him consistently and then defensively just literally everything. Fans don’t understand it either and he has to exert so much energy everywhere that certain parts of his game likely suffer from it and his name gets drug through the mud.

Those awards are great, he will without a doubt be a hall of famer but honestly he should have even more and would if we have a better roster and his co-Star cared about the regular season. He wants to win DPOY and be 1st team every year and also make all nba which all have massive contract implications but he simply just won’t make those teams if we’re going to be a play in team every season.

I don’t want it to happen he’s my favorite player on my favorite team but some things have to start shaking soon, we know the players can see the incompetence and after Wade left Miami no one will ever be a sure thing to be a lifer.

This is why I hate player fans, lol

Boohoo, I’m a Heat fan first and foremost. Have been for 20+ years now, speaking on potential scenarios in the future doesn’t change that and I’m not just blindly going to sit here and say the FO has does everything they possibly could. I’m annoyed because I want my TEAM to go all in and win a championship and I believe they should have had this mindset for years now.

[ZoStrong]

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See how loyal the franchises are? Kicking one half of the Splash Brothers out to pursue this always injured playoff choker, lol. Clay means whole lot more to Golden State than Jimmy is to Miami

[ZoStrong]

Don’t want to speak it into existence but I want a sense of urgency from the front office to finally do right by him and even Jimmy and be aggressive in building them a championship supporting cast. Like what more do they need to see? we’ve got 2 finals trips in 5 years, 1 shot away from 3 and that is with an embarrassing supporting cast. Look at Tatum/Browns and Brunson/Randles supporting casts after Brunson just got there 2 years ago. Hell Banchero/Wagner, Lillard/Giannis, Mitchell/Garland, Hali/Siakam, Maxey/Embiid (especially after this summer) all have at worst slightly better supporting casts around them than our top 2 guys do. We’ve had 5 years of this build why are we not better rounded?

Now Bam is forced to do everything on both ends for basically everyone lol that’s vague but I know you know what I mean in terms of playmaking, free guys up with screens, DHOs, creating his own shots because no one else can help create for him consistently and then defensively just literally everything. Fans don’t understand it either and he has to exert so much energy everywhere that certain parts of his game likely suffer from it and his name gets drug through the mud.

Those awards are great, he will without a doubt be a hall of famer but honestly he should have even more and would if we have a better roster and his co-Star cared about the regular season. He wants to win DPOY and be 1st team every year and also make all nba which all have massive contract implications but he simply just won’t make those teams if we’re going to be a play in team every season.

I don’t want it to happen he’s my favorite player on my favorite team but some things have to start shaking soon, we know the players can see the incompetence and after Wade left Miami no one will ever be a sure thing to be a lifer.

This is why I hate player fans, lol

Boohoo, I’m a Heat fan first and foremost. Have been for 20+ years now, speaking on potential scenarios in the future doesn’t change that and I’m not just blindly going to sit here and say the FO has does everything they possibly could. I’m annoyed because I want my TEAM to go all in and win a championship and I believe they should have had this mindset for years now.

20+ years? Good. Than have a longer perspective than go crazy over what the old man hasn't done for you last couple years. Last couple years were a pretty good ride tbh

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This is why I hate player fans, lol

Boohoo, I’m a Heat fan first and foremost. Have been for 20+ years now, speaking on potential scenarios in the future doesn’t change that and I’m not just blindly going to sit here and say the FO has does everything they possibly could. I’m annoyed because I want my TEAM to go all in and win a championship and I believe they should have had this mindset for years now.

20+ years? Good. Than have a longer perspective than go crazy over what the old man hasn't done for you last couple years. Last couple years were a pretty good ride tbh

I’m thankful for the deep runs I just don’t agree with the passiveness that has followed. We preach championship year after year starting from the top so as a fan I expect us to do what it takes, I feel we could have 1 with this build right now. It’s ok to critique the FO just as it’s ok to critique the coaches/players

[MiamiLoyal926]

The suns went all in, where did that get them? The nets did that a few years ago… same results. The Bucks retooled aggressively last summer… where did that go?

The FO standing pat and having several finals appearances over the last few years does not seem like such a terrible outcome compared to other teams who have been more aggressive than us with minimal gains at the end of the season/playoffs when all is said and done.

It worked well for the Celtics and Nuggets to make some aggressive moves, but they also had some young home grown all star players. At the end of the day, only one team gets the ultimate prize and our Alpha usually loses steam by the third round. Our play should have been to trade Herro a while back… but then again, home grown stars is part of the recipe for success and we hoped Herro would be that guy for us as well.

[ZoStrong]

Why u know they are passive or cautious or have a long term plan that they don't wanna just scrap for whatever star is available? Believe me this means more to Riley and people on the staff than you and me. It's their jobs n legacy on the line. We just cheer n boo for some fun

[Hoops3355]

Bammy I like that Sengun on this Squad alot. Think Bam's shown enough that a corner 3 should be on the menu. If you want Bam to be more involved in the offense you have to get him easier buckets. Adding a 5 who can pass with him and Jovic in a super sized line up got me feeling a way. Just seeing Bam running to the RIM can you imagine how many easy buckets that would generate.

[MorbidHEAT]

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I’m not even going to bother fantasizing about this one. We don’t have anywhere near the assets that that would require.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The suns went all in, where did that get them? The nets did that a few years ago… same results. The Bucks retooled aggressively last summer… where did that go?

The FO standing pat and having several finals appearances over the last few years does not seem like such a terrible outcome compared to other teams who have been more aggressive than us with minimal gains at the end of the season/playoffs when all is said and done.

It worked well for the Celtics and Nuggets to make some aggressive moves, but they also had some young home grown all star players. At the end of the day, only one team gets the ultimate prize and our Alpha usually loses steam by the third round. Our play should have been to trade Herro a while back… but then again, home grown stars is part of the recipe for success and we hoped Herro would be that guy for us as well.

Those organizations don’t have the best coach in the world and didn’t have 2 high impact players that have already shown they can at least get the team to the finals consistently, they’re not the same situations imo other than the Celtics who obviously and regrettably just won the championship. They were at least making deep playoff runs consistently. Nets probably work out if not for injury the year the Bucks won it but that’s part of the risk. I’d rather field the best possible roster and lose because a key guy goes down than lose because we just simply don’t have enough talent compared to others.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bammy I like that Sengun on this Squad alot. Think Bam's shown enough that a corner 3 should be on the menu. If you want Bam to be more involved in the offense you have to get him easier buckets. Adding a 5 who can pass with him and Jovic in a super sized line up got me feeling a way. Just seeing Bam running to the RIM can you imagine how many easy buckets that would generate.

I wouldn’t mind seeing that tandem in the front court at all. It would be a great mix of passing rebounding and scoring, I think the 3 ball will consistently be in both of their games next season or the year after (Sengun) for sure.

Sengun seems like a poor mans Jokic while Bam is a rich mans Gordon lol

[Kobewade11]

I view Bam as our version of Atlanta Al Horford. That isn't a diss either, Papi is going to be in Springfield when its all said and done. Hardworking, professional guys, squeaky clean images that you'd love to have to represent your team. Neither is 1 or 2 on a championship team, but good foundational piece to have. Comparable impacts, I probably lean Bam on defense, offense could go either way..the 3 ball Al developed was a game changer. I kind of chuckle when I read we gotta get Jimmy and Bam help. Bam is the help, and again thats not a diss. What we really need is a co-star to Jimmy or better yet someone that can man the ship, that way Jimmy can worry about getting his hair did and slot in at #2 when he wants to ball. It's a shame PHX went all in on Beal, rumblings are KD could be had for the right package but they are so guard heavy now we can't unload contracts there.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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I’m not even going to bother fantasizing about this one. We don’t have anywhere near the assets that that would require.

What do you think it would cost for the 36 year old KD and who are the suitors willing to give it up? You could be surprised

[Kobewade11]

Some were dismissing my Hou package for Jimmy as being unreasonable.

Lookin more reasonable by the minute

what was your package?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam can without a doubt be the 2nd best player on a championship team, he’s arguably top 20 in the league but you likely want him as your 3rd scorer but he is going to be your entire defense for the most part and a key part to a ton of your offensive sets with screens and playmaking. He is far more than the help, you can replace the help pretty easily by filling in new players, you can’t replace Jimmy and bam easily and still do what we’ve done

[Flash4thewin]

The suns went all in, where did that get them? The nets did that a few years ago… same results. The Bucks retooled aggressively last summer… where did that go?

The FO standing pat and having several finals appearances over the last few years does not seem like such a terrible outcome compared to other teams who have been more aggressive than us with minimal gains at the end of the season/playoffs when all is said and done.

It worked well for the Celtics and Nuggets to make some aggressive moves, but they also had some young home grown all star players. At the end of the day, only one team gets the ultimate prize and our Alpha usually loses steam by the third round. Our play should have been to trade Herro a while back… but then again, home grown stars is part of the recipe for success and we hoped Herro would be that guy for us as well.

I always wondered what Buffalo Bill fans would be like today, three super bowls no championships. For the past decade we have 2 finals with no rings. Had we faced the Warriors we would also probably lose. Just nice big picture perspective.

The Bucks made moves and won a ring.
Boston made moves and won a ring.
The Nets had to deal with covid and Kyrie becoming a cancer, Its a risk everyone would take since Covid was a once in a lifetime thing
The Suns are in year one of that core. They need depth, we didnt win in year one. They are not a play in team like we are.

Let's not excuse inaction. Go big or go home. Fortune favors the bold, not the ones that do nothing.

[twix2500]

This is likely to happen. This also has implications on Butlers contract negotiations

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