Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

[lastb1ckman]

Ayton is FA in 2yr, I could see POR moving on from him or dealing him next year and a tandem of Clingan\Ware would be nice moving forward and fit with younger core.

???? Those 2 are CENTER centers. Ain't no stretching the floor yet from either of them. Ware looks good, but he's far away from KAT. (If you're trying to recreate the wolves)

[MettaWorldPanda]

FO has no choice but to take at least 1 more year out of Duncan's contract. He would be easier to trade him next year for his expiring.

Herro and Duncan's trade armor are too strong lol

Yeah might not have any choice at this point and you know Duncan finds a way to tank his stock every single year around the trade deadline. He’ll have an ETO next year that he’ll most likely defer to us. Depending how bad our books look next year we might just buy him out and stretch but hopefully we don’t and trade his expiring. We’ll be in the same situation next year if Butler opts in

[MettaWorldPanda]

Our next window will not open up until 2026 when Robinson, Rozier, and if Butler opts in can all be off the books free and clear. Something like 95 million. Goal should be to pay out OKC’s pick. And open up 2029 and 2031 1st to trade next year.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I think i combed over every roster and financial situation around the league and the Utah Jazz stick out like a sore thumb as trade partners. Need Adam Simon to pick up the phone here

spo Would not play markinen nearly enough...so Who Would you trade?

Not even worried about Lauri. That’s too expensive. Let’s see how much Ainge loves Herro and work out something for guys like Collins and Clarkson.

[Vertical Limit]

Lol btw i may be late to this but that quote from Caleb is baffling to me. No dude, you didnt leave the Heat to be part of winning.. last time the sixers made the finals allen iverson couldnt handle the lakers.. the heat have made the finals 7 times since and 3 championships…

You left the Heat because your agent completely balked your contract, sold you a **** sandwich and took the only contract you had available after opting out. And we Heat fans are thankful for your contributions here but even more thankful of youragents contributions for salvaging us from another terrible overpay..

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lol btw i may be late to this but that quote from Caleb is baffling to me. No dude, you didnt leave the Heat to be part of winning.. last time the sixers made the finals allen iverson couldnt handle the lakers.. the heat have made the finals 7 times since and 3 championships…

You left the Heat because your agent completely balked your contract, sold you a **** sandwich and took the only contract you had available after opting out. And we Heat fans are thankful for your contributions here but even more thankful of youragents contributions for salvaging us from another terrible overpay..

The only thing this franchise is good at right now is scouting, our scout team is pretty elite. FO is complete ****, I’m baffled they had to be saved by his agent. Franchise is nothing without Wade, bring him in

[RexBoyWonder]

Our next window will not open up until 2026 when Robinson, Rozier, and if Butler opts in can all be off the books free and clear. Something like 95 million. Goal should be to pay out OKC’s pick. And open up 2029 and 2031 1st to trade next year.

That's the issue - OK we'll have big cap space in 2026 IF we keep our books clean by then.

But who are the prime targets we could get with all that money in 2026?

[RexBoyWonder]

Lol btw i may be late to this but that quote from Caleb is baffling to me. No dude, you didnt leave the Heat to be part of winning.. last time the sixers made the finals allen iverson couldnt handle the lakers.. the heat have made the finals 7 times since and 3 championships…

You left the Heat because your agent completely balked your contract, sold you a **** sandwich and took the only contract you had available after opting out. And we Heat fans are thankful for your contributions here but even more thankful of youragents contributions for salvaging us from another terrible overpay..

The saddest, most concerning thought I have about this organization is -

Have they learned NOTHING from the Herro/Dion/Duncan/James Johnson/Tyler Johnson/Whiteside mistakes??!?

The Offer we made to Martin (65 Mil for 5 years - which is almost DOUBLE what anyone else on the market offered him) really left me feeling we have no one to trust in this front office. It's baffling. It can't be excused. It's the clearest signle you can get to a front office that is just lost and incompetent...I can't let that thought go..........


Are we really a badly run org now?

[twix2500]

You all keep speaking as thou free agency is the way to build a team. Think about the big name free agents who been signed the past 5 yrs under 35

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[DayofMourning]

Cam we trade Duncan and Rozier for Ingram and Jones?

[DayofMourning]

You all keep speaking as thou free agency is the way to build a team. Think about the big name free agents who been signed the past 5 yrs under 35

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Those times are gone. Nobody will ever forego the crazy money thrown at them from their club because of South Beach. Its not a thing.

[MartyConlonJr]

Forget free agency, but having the cap space to absorb sign and trades or contracts into is the way forward. We'd probably have Lillard now if we had been able to give them a cap exemption instead of Herro, or take on Nurkic or whatever with him.

[IceColdCubano]

Our next window will not open up until 2026 when Robinson, Rozier, and if Butler opts in can all be off the books free and clear. Something like 95 million. Goal should be to pay out OKC’s pick. And open up 2029 and 2031 1st to trade next year.

This is the way, its what I have been preaching to my friends about our current dilema.

Here are the facts, in 2026 Offseason, the following players come off the books:
Kevin Love, Haywood Highsmith, Terry Rozier, Jimmy Butler(Assuming he opted in) Duncan Robinson.

The only Players on the books:
Bam Adebayo, Tyler Herro(Assuming he isn't traded by then), Jaime Jaquez, Kelle Ware, Nikola Jovic(Assuming we extend him)

We also are eligible to trade 3 FRP's (assuming our pick conveyed in 2025, meaning we made the playoffs this year)

Miami would have the ability to retool in a complete manner in one direction, make strong sign and trades, absorb salaries, and put a very strong team together.

which now makes all the sense in the world why they have been handing out only 2 year contracts this offseason to both Kevin Love and Haywood Highsmith, to coincide with the others coming off the books. I think the FO is seeing the same thing.

[MettaWorldPanda]

You all keep speaking as thou free agency is the way to build a team. Think about the big name free agents who been signed the past 5 yrs under 35

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It’s not about just signing out right star free agents. Need cap space to make anything happen these days. Absorb contracts from teams in second apron hell, S&T’s, and signing mid tier free agents for good bargains. The game has changed but that doesn’t mean opening up cap space is meaningless.

[wadenation305]

Our next window will not open up until 2026 when Robinson, Rozier, and if Butler opts in can all be off the books free and clear. Something like 95 million. Goal should be to pay out OKC’s pick. And open up 2029 and 2031 1st to trade next year.

That's the issue - OK we'll have big cap space in 2026 IF we keep our books clean by then.

But who are the prime targets we could get with all that money in 2026?

Even more directly, Which big-name difference maker is going to give up millions to sign here instead? All these players are going to get the bag then gut the roster to acquire them if you want them. And we can't even gut the roster because we have nothing anyone wants in a trade.

I don't think people have woken up to reality yet, all trades for any difference maker is going to start at a younger star (or looks like he can be a star in the future) and everything not nailed down that they can legally take from you including swaps. Small market teams are making it so that if they lose a star they take everything from the receiving team. That's how they are curving the perceived "Desirable" destinations.

"Oh, you want to leave us to join Bam and Butler? That's cool but just know we're going to ask for Bam, we're going to ask for their role players, every pick, every pick swap they can give us under the CBA, they will have nothing to be able to get better and you will have to rely on the already starving role players to take less to join up with you. Or you can shut up and take the money, we own you silly goose."

[wadenation305]

You all keep speaking as thou free agency is the way to build a team. Think about the big name free agents who been signed the past 5 yrs under 35

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It’s not about just signing out right star free agents. Need cap space to make anything happen these days. Absorb contracts from teams in second apron hell, S&T’s, and signing mid tier free agents for good bargains. The game has changed but that doesn’t mean opening up cap space is meaningless.

The only problem is that the reason to do that would be able to pick up picks for teams to dump people they don't want, and we all know that if you run that Idea by Riley he'd turn his nose up at it. I rather be the team with an elite scouting team and a treasure trove of picks than the one putting out garbage the whole season for a chance at the play-in and no assets to do anything with a 36-year-old star.

[twix2500]

You all keep speaking as thou free agency is the way to build a team. Think about the big name free agents who been signed the past 5 yrs under 35

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It’s not about just signing out right star free agents. Need cap space to make anything happen these days. Absorb contracts from teams in second apron hell, S&T’s, and signing mid tier free agents for good bargains. The game has changed but that doesn’t mean opening up cap space is meaningless.

The Heat needs a star. Heat are not interested in role players. When has the last time the Heat traded for a role player? Was it the Eddie jones for Williams and Posey trade. The Heat rarely puts any effort in other teams role players

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Damn now we’re acting like having cap space doesn’t matter? Cut Duncan Herro and Terry out of the picture and we could’ve added PG, Tyus Jones, GTJ, Jonas, should’ve kept wright, still got Burks

Tyus/Wright
GTJ/Burks
PG/Jaime
Jimmy/Jovic
Bam/Jonas

I’ll take it!

Could’ve ate all of Lavines salary and gotten a 1st and a few 2nds at minimum.

Could’ve done several things I’m sure I’m forgetting some other nice free agent signings right now just not thinking too deep into it but having space at least gives you several different options.

[Flash4thewin]

Our next window will not open up until 2026 when Robinson, Rozier, and if Butler opts in can all be off the books free and clear. Something like 95 million. Goal should be to pay out OKC’s pick. And open up 2029 and 2031 1st to trade next year.

This is the way, its what I have been preaching to my friends about our current dilema.

Here are the facts, in 2026 Offseason, the following players come off the books:
Kevin Love, Haywood Highsmith, Terry Rozier, Jimmy Butler(Assuming he opted in) Duncan Robinson.

The only Players on the books:
Bam Adebayo, Tyler Herro(Assuming he isn't traded by then), Jaime Jaquez, Kelle Ware, Nikola Jovic(Assuming we extend him)

We also are eligible to trade 3 FRP's (assuming our pick conveyed in 2025, meaning we made the playoffs this year)

Miami would have the ability to retool in a complete manner in one direction, make strong sign and trades, absorb salaries, and put a very strong team together.

which now makes all the sense in the world why they have been handing out only 2 year contracts this offseason to both Kevin Love and Haywood Highsmith, to coincide with the others coming off the books. I think the FO is seeing the same thing.

I think the problem here is we have no foundation to entice a star player. We have no PG. We just have Bam, JJJ and thats it. Maybe Jovic or Ware shine and become starters or maybe they dont.

Is that enough to get a star player to forgo millions of dollars? Especially when they see how we treated Jimmy, the inability to get him help, and now the refusal to give him a one year deal. Seems like a very hard sell.

[DayofMourning]

Our next window will not open up until 2026 when Robinson, Rozier, and if Butler opts in can all be off the books free and clear. Something like 95 million. Goal should be to pay out OKC’s pick. And open up 2029 and 2031 1st to trade next year.

This is the way, its what I have been preaching to my friends about our current dilema.

Here are the facts, in 2026 Offseason, the following players come off the books:
Kevin Love, Haywood Highsmith, Terry Rozier, Jimmy Butler(Assuming he opted in) Duncan Robinson.

The only Players on the books:
Bam Adebayo, Tyler Herro(Assuming he isn't traded by then), Jaime Jaquez, Kelle Ware, Nikola Jovic(Assuming we extend him)

We also are eligible to trade 3 FRP's (assuming our pick conveyed in 2025, meaning we made the playoffs this year)

Miami would have the ability to retool in a complete manner in one direction, make strong sign and trades, absorb salaries, and put a very strong team together.

which now makes all the sense in the world why they have been handing out only 2 year contracts this offseason to both Kevin Love and Haywood Highsmith, to coincide with the others coming off the books. I think the FO is seeing the same thing.

I think the problem here is we have no foundation to entice a star player. We have no PG. We just have Bam, JJJ and thats it. Maybe Jovic or Ware shine and become starters or maybe they dont.

Is that enough to get a star player to forgo millions of dollars? Especially when they see how we treated Jimmy, the inability to get him help, and now the refusal to give him a one year deal. Seems like a very hard sell.

We need to draft our superstar.

Gonna take some luck/unluck for us to do it as our franchise is willing to push forward with 35 year olds in pursuit of a chip.

We could fix it quickly if we had a strategy shift, but our FO is going down with the ship. They keep "their" guys. Pay them twice what theyre worth.