Miami Heat Off-season Thread Vol. 5 - The One Where We Do Something

[MHeat0279]

Isn’t there an app or something for this forum? I used to have whatever it was, this website is horrible.

I think you can use tapatalk

That’s the app I was thinking of, thanks daddy!


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[Pokuokic]

Jovic @ 240 and added Jokic post moves this off season the Bulk Jovic era is done we are now in the Hulk Jovic era

[AirP.]

Just a written sports story about what is revealed in the Netflix documentary. Butler had a serious off court issue that seemed to affect his effort (which is what his game is built on). Worth the read from the link at the bottom. It also now makes sense why it seemed like Butler dropped down a gear in the previous year's playoffs.

“When you lose somebody who’s that dear to you and that’s taught you so much, that has seen you grow from a kid to a young adult to a star to the man that I am today as a father and then all of a sudden he’s not there anymore, I didn’t know what to do,” Butler said during Episode 5 of the Netflix series. “No amount of money in the world could bring him back. Basketball, no matter how much I played it, it couldn’t fix that.”

Following the death of his father, the Heat granted Butler a leave of absence for what was then explained to be because of the death of a family member. He went on to miss the Heat’s final three games prior to the mid-February All-Star break before returning to play in the team’s first game after the break.

“Right after All-Star break, they really need me to be a lot better,” Butler said during Episode 6 of “Starting 5” as he prepared to rejoin the Heat after that leave of absence. “I want to always answer to that call. But I couldn’t care less about basketball right now. I don’t care. Yeah, I work out. Yes, I train because I love to do it and it takes my mind off of my dad. From that moment, I’m lost in the game, in the art, in getting better. But as soon as that ball is done bouncing and I’m back home, it will all settle in.”

Jimmy Jr. was diagnosed with the health issue during the Heat’s 2023 playoff run to the NBA Finals between the Heat’s second-round series against the New York Knicks and its Eastern Conference finals series against the Boston Celtics.

“Jimmy’s dad didn’t feel great and we needed to get him to go see a doctor,” Butler’s agent Bernie Lee said during Episode 5 of the Netflix series. “He went through some testing.”

The results of that test returned just before Game 7 of the East finals when Butler and the Heat were preparing to play one of the biggest games in franchise history at TD Garden in Boston. The Heat, once up 3-0 over the Celtics in that East finals, was trying to avoid becoming the first NBA team ever to give up a 3-0 lead in a best-of-7 playoff series.

Before the game was supposed to start, that doctor called me and said they got the results back from the test and that his father, his health issue was going to be terminal,” Lee recalled during Episode 5. “I thought to myself, do I wait until after the game to tell him this? Or if it was me, I’d want to know. I want to know in that moment. I couldn’t live with not telling him that the second I knew it. We walked into a shower area of the locker room and I just told him. I remember he just looked at me, he thanked me for telling him and he said, ‘I’m going to go do my job and then we’ll figure out the things that have to come next.’”

“I get on the plane, I fly to spend some time with my dad,” Butler recalled during the Netflix series. “He’s telling me every aspect of the game that went on, what happened from his point of view. I hand him the [East finals MVP] trophy, it gave him a different type of energy of like, ‘Yo, we’re going to beat this.’”

Butler’s father lived with him in Miami while battling the illness.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/netflix-series-reveals-pain-and-grief-that-heat-s-jimmy-butler-endured-off-court-last-season/ar-AA1rXLpu?ocid=BingNewsVerp

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Just a written sports story about what is revealed in the Netflix documentary. Butler had a serious off court issue that seemed to affect his effort (which is what his game is built on). Worth the read from the link at the bottom. It also now makes sense why it seemed like Butler dropped down a gear in the previous year's playoffs.

“When you lose somebody who’s that dear to you and that’s taught you so much, that has seen you grow from a kid to a young adult to a star to the man that I am today as a father and then all of a sudden he’s not there anymore, I didn’t know what to do,” Butler said during Episode 5 of the Netflix series. “No amount of money in the world could bring him back. Basketball, no matter how much I played it, it couldn’t fix that.”

Following the death of his father, the Heat granted Butler a leave of absence for what was then explained to be because of the death of a family member. He went on to miss the Heat’s final three games prior to the mid-February All-Star break before returning to play in the team’s first game after the break.

“Right after All-Star break, they really need me to be a lot better,” Butler said during Episode 6 of “Starting 5” as he prepared to rejoin the Heat after that leave of absence. “I want to always answer to that call. But I couldn’t care less about basketball right now. I don’t care. Yeah, I work out. Yes, I train because I love to do it and it takes my mind off of my dad. From that moment, I’m lost in the game, in the art, in getting better. But as soon as that ball is done bouncing and I’m back home, it will all settle in.”

Jimmy Jr. was diagnosed with the health issue during the Heat’s 2023 playoff run to the NBA Finals between the Heat’s second-round series against the New York Knicks and its Eastern Conference finals series against the Boston Celtics.

“Jimmy’s dad didn’t feel great and we needed to get him to go see a doctor,” Butler’s agent Bernie Lee said during Episode 5 of the Netflix series. “He went through some testing.”

The results of that test returned just before Game 7 of the East finals when Butler and the Heat were preparing to play one of the biggest games in franchise history at TD Garden in Boston. The Heat, once up 3-0 over the Celtics in that East finals, was trying to avoid becoming the first NBA team ever to give up a 3-0 lead in a best-of-7 playoff series.

Before the game was supposed to start, that doctor called me and said they got the results back from the test and that his father, his health issue was going to be terminal,” Lee recalled during Episode 5. “I thought to myself, do I wait until after the game to tell him this? Or if it was me, I’d want to know. I want to know in that moment. I couldn’t live with not telling him that the second I knew it. We walked into a shower area of the locker room and I just told him. I remember he just looked at me, he thanked me for telling him and he said, ‘I’m going to go do my job and then we’ll figure out the things that have to come next.’”

“I get on the plane, I fly to spend some time with my dad,” Butler recalled during the Netflix series. “He’s telling me every aspect of the game that went on, what happened from his point of view. I hand him the [East finals MVP] trophy, it gave him a different type of energy of like, ‘Yo, we’re going to beat this.’”

Butler’s father lived with him in Miami while battling the illness.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/netflix-series-reveals-pain-and-grief-that-heat-s-jimmy-butler-endured-off-court-last-season/ar-AA1rXLpu?ocid=BingNewsVerp

Maybe I’m in the minority but why would you want to tell someone their dad is terminally ill right before one of the biggest games of their career?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I also think Butlers fall off in play was because of the ankle injury that lingered all postseason (Thanks Josh Hart)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[twix2500]

Just from early indication, it looks like this offense is gonna be very heavy on the drive and kick. Rozier is gonna be vital to this offense. He is the best ball handler and has the best ability to penetrate.

[AirP.]

Just a written sports story about what is revealed in the Netflix documentary. Butler had a serious off court issue that seemed to affect his effort (which is what his game is built on). Worth the read from the link at the bottom. It also now makes sense why it seemed like Butler dropped down a gear in the previous year's playoffs.

Spoiler:

“When you lose somebody who’s that dear to you and that’s taught you so much, that has seen you grow from a kid to a young adult to a star to the man that I am today as a father and then all of a sudden he’s not there anymore, I didn’t know what to do,” Butler said during Episode 5 of the Netflix series. “No amount of money in the world could bring him back. Basketball, no matter how much I played it, it couldn’t fix that.”

Following the death of his father, the Heat granted Butler a leave of absence for what was then explained to be because of the death of a family member. He went on to miss the Heat’s final three games prior to the mid-February All-Star break before returning to play in the team’s first game after the break.

“Right after All-Star break, they really need me to be a lot better,” Butler said during Episode 6 of “Starting 5” as he prepared to rejoin the Heat after that leave of absence. “I want to always answer to that call. But I couldn’t care less about basketball right now. I don’t care. Yeah, I work out. Yes, I train because I love to do it and it takes my mind off of my dad. From that moment, I’m lost in the game, in the art, in getting better. But as soon as that ball is done bouncing and I’m back home, it will all settle in.”

Jimmy Jr. was diagnosed with the health issue during the Heat’s 2023 playoff run to the NBA Finals between the Heat’s second-round series against the New York Knicks and its Eastern Conference finals series against the Boston Celtics.

“Jimmy’s dad didn’t feel great and we needed to get him to go see a doctor,” Butler’s agent Bernie Lee said during Episode 5 of the Netflix series. “He went through some testing.”

The results of that test returned just before Game 7 of the East finals when Butler and the Heat were preparing to play one of the biggest games in franchise history at TD Garden in Boston. The Heat, once up 3-0 over the Celtics in that East finals, was trying to avoid becoming the first NBA team ever to give up a 3-0 lead in a best-of-7 playoff series.

Before the game was supposed to start, that doctor called me and said they got the results back from the test and that his father, his health issue was going to be terminal,” Lee recalled during Episode 5. “I thought to myself, do I wait until after the game to tell him this? Or if it was me, I’d want to know. I want to know in that moment. I couldn’t live with not telling him that the second I knew it. We walked into a shower area of the locker room and I just told him. I remember he just looked at me, he thanked me for telling him and he said, ‘I’m going to go do my job and then we’ll figure out the things that have to come next.’”

“I get on the plane, I fly to spend some time with my dad,” Butler recalled during the Netflix series. “He’s telling me every aspect of the game that went on, what happened from his point of view. I hand him the [East finals MVP] trophy, it gave him a different type of energy of like, ‘Yo, we’re going to beat this.’”

Butler’s father lived with him in Miami while battling the illness.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/netflix-series-reveals-pain-and-grief-that-heat-s-jimmy-butler-endured-off-court-last-season/ar-AA1rXLpu?ocid=BingNewsVerp

Maybe I’m in the minority but why would you want to tell someone their dad is terminally ill right before one of the biggest games of their career?

From what it sounds like is that the family knew of something being wrong for a while and were finally able to convince him to go see a doctor to find out what the issue was that was the bad timing of this, not the doctor telling them what the medical situation was.

I'm not so sure who remembers back to that time but during the game threads I was questioning his effort since it was highly noticeably to me to the point I was trashing him in the threads and was about done following him.

I'm looking back at some of my quotes during the Finals without knowing his father was recently diagnosed as terminally ill...

I followed Butler his whole career, this Final's effort he's given is embarrassing.

Because it shouldn't be close if Butler gave a damn for the first 3 1/2 quarters. It's almost like he's saving himself to try to be a hero.

Just brutal to have everyone (including myself) dogpiling on his effort without knowing what he was dealing with off the court, what a horrific time in his life dealing with his father and fans, and all that time he kept his mouth shut about it instead of using it as an excuse or reason.

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[greg4012]

Just from early indication, it looks like this offense is gonna be very heavy on the drive and kick. Rozier is gonna be vital to this offense. He is the best ball handler and has the best ability to penetrate.

Let's see if we can actually get a step on defenders and force help in the paint. Terry def can get a step on his defender, but (like Herro) he's one of the worst finishers in the league. Less help comes when that's the case. Been a deficient part of Miami's offense for a while now

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Just from early indication, it looks like this offense is gonna be very heavy on the drive and kick. Rozier is gonna be vital to this offense. He is the best ball handler and has the best ability to penetrate.

We need him to be efficient and make the right plays, hopefully he can do it.

[El Alonzo scowl]

I understand Jimmy. My dad is in ICU right now fighting for life, he fell on Monday and hit his head.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I understand Jimmy. My dad is in ICU right now fighting for life, he fell on Monday and hit his head.

Sorry to hear that brother, hope things get better!

[eddieheatfan]

I understand Jimmy. My dad is in ICU right now fighting for life, he fell on Monday and hit his head.

sorry for that, best wishes


as for jimmy, why he doesnt say which illness his father had? kind of odd to not name it. looked like it was cancer related to me but i could be wrong. my mother has rare form of leukemia and she has been going to the oncologist for a year now. thank God that according to her the leukemia is in remission. the oncologist told her that her next visit will be her last since there wont be anything else to check her for.

i'm grateful to God for this miracle and yes she wasnt even taking any treatment for it during the whole ordeal....God answer prayers!

[AirP.]

I understand Jimmy. My dad is in ICU right now fighting for life, he fell on Monday and hit his head.

sorry for that, best wishes


as for jimmy, why he doesnt say which illness his father had? kind of odd to not name it. looked like it was cancer related to me but i could be wrong. my mother has rare form of leukemia and she has been going to the oncologist for a year now. thank God that according to her the leukemia is in remission. the oncologist told her that her next visit will be her last since there wont be anything else to check her for.

i'm grateful to God for this miracle and yes she wasnt even taking any treatment for it during the whole ordeal....God answer prayers!

For one reason, it would give people who doesn't like him ammo to shout it out at him to try to get him off his game, which the situation seems to have done, it's one thing to hear you suck, you're bad, it's another thing to hear deeply personal things thrown at you.

“Right after All-Star break, [my teammates] really need me to be a lot better. I wanna always answer to that call. But I couldn’t care less about basketball right now. I don’t care… It sucks to hurt. It sucks to lose people.

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[Wiltside]

Damn, thoughts with Jimmy. That makes a lot of sense as to how last season went.

[AirP.]

Damn, thoughts with Jimmy. That makes a lot of sense as to how last season went.

I do wonder if Riley even knew at the time when he had his end of the year press conference where he kept talking about Butler and needing more from him. I do wonder who outside his inner circle knew about the situation, I'd guess he told Spoelstra to let one person in the Heat organization know to get Spoelstra to stress to the rest of the organization Butler needs this night off of when he had multiple nights off nobody knew for sure it was for a death in his family although it was speculated but never really reported who it was. I did some research at the time; I couldn't find a story that said why other than just speculation based on him leaving in the middle of a season for a few days, I read possibly his father but it didn't even name him, so they couldn't even say if it was biological father or the other who helped raise him after he was living on the streets. This is another reason Butler keeps a close inner circle, it's not just to help people but give him a group he can trust to talk to without leaking information.

It does seem odd that only Lock'd On is the only podcast that has talked about this, this new info could be a big part of the Heat's next few years (even if they lose Butler and he still plays at a high level). How effective could Butler be moving forward on if his father's issues really affected his play? It's possible the desire isn't as strong as it once was with this happening, maybe it is but as he gets older it may not matter or maybe he can still play at a high level the further he gets away time wise from this tragic part of his life although it will still pull him down from time to time.

Also, is Butler reliving some of the issues now that this info is finally going public?

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Damn, thoughts with Jimmy. That makes a lot of sense as to how last season went.

I do wonder if Riley even knew at the time when he had his end of the year press conference where he kept talking about Butler and needing more from him. I do wonder who outside his inner circle knew about the situation, I'd guess he told Spoelstra to let one person in the Heat organization know to get Spoelstra to stress to the rest of the organization Butler needs this night off of when he had multiple nights off nobody knew for sure it was for a death in his family although it was speculated but never really reported who it was. I did some research at the time; I couldn't find a story that said why other than just speculation based on him leaving in the middle of a season for a few days, I read possibly his father but it didn't even name him, so they couldn't even say if it was biological father or the other who helped raise him after he was living on the streets.

This is another reason Butler keeps a close inner circle, it's not just to help people but give him a group he can trust to talk to without leaking information.

It does seem odd that only Lock'd On is the only podcast that has talked about this, this new info could be a big part of the Heat's next few years (even if they lose Butler and he still plays at a high level). How effective could Butler be moving forward on if his father's issues really affected his play? It's possible the desire isn't as strong as it once was with this happening, maybe it is but as he gets older it may not matter or maybe he can still play at a high level the further he gets away time wise from this tragic part of his life although it will still pull him down from time to time.

Also, is Butler reliving some of the issues now that this info is finally going public?

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Pat Riley definitely knew what was going on every step of the way lol, his $50M a year guy is missing games he’s going to know why that’s happening

[AirP.]

Damn, thoughts with Jimmy. That makes a lot of sense as to how last season went.

Spoiler:

I do wonder if Riley even knew at the time when he had his end of the year press conference where he kept talking about Butler and needing more from him. I do wonder who outside his inner circle knew about the situation, I'd guess he told Spoelstra to let one person in the Heat organization know to get Spoelstra to stress to the rest of the organization Butler needs this night off of when he had multiple nights off nobody knew for sure it was for a death in his family although it was speculated but never really reported who it was. I did some research at the time; I couldn't find a story that said why other than just speculation based on him leaving in the middle of a season for a few days, I read possibly his father but it didn't even name him, so they couldn't even say if it was biological father or the other who helped raise him after he was living on the streets.

This is another reason Butler keeps a close inner circle, it's not just to help people but give him a group he can trust to talk to without leaking information.

It does seem odd that only Lock'd On is the only podcast that has talked about this, this new info could be a big part of the Heat's next few years (even if they lose Butler and he still plays at a high level). How effective could Butler be moving forward on if his father's issues really affected his play? It's possible the desire isn't as strong as it once was with this happening, maybe it is but as he gets older it may not matter or maybe he can still play at a high level the further he gets away time wise from this tragic part of his life although it will still pull him down from time to time.

Also, is Butler reliving some of the issues now that this info is finally going public?

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Pat Riley definitely knew what was going on every step of the way lol, his $50M a year guy is missing games he’s going to know why that’s happening

Not sure about that, if Spoelstra knew and he was ok with it, that's where trusting your people comes into play, if Spoelstra says it's fine for Butler to go away for a few days on a family issue you trust Spoelstra. Why I say possibly just Spoelstra is because he's the only person in authority on a day-by-day basis for Butler and he would need to know this information to know how to interact with Butler in this situation. It's quite possible he didn't tell anyone outside of his inner circle and took some days off citing a medical issue to deal with his father, I say this because it would completely legitimize management/Riley going off like he did at the end of the season press conference and I could see Butler not mentioning it at all. I don't think Riley knew because if he did that's not a good look to go off on your star because they're dealing with their dying father at their home and in the hospital. To compound this thought of Riley not knowing, Kevin Love probably would have spoken up about it...

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Spoiler:

I do wonder if Riley even knew at the time when he had his end of the year press conference where he kept talking about Butler and needing more from him. I do wonder who outside his inner circle knew about the situation, I'd guess he told Spoelstra to let one person in the Heat organization know to get Spoelstra to stress to the rest of the organization Butler needs this night off of when he had multiple nights off nobody knew for sure it was for a death in his family although it was speculated but never really reported who it was. I did some research at the time; I couldn't find a story that said why other than just speculation based on him leaving in the middle of a season for a few days, I read possibly his father but it didn't even name him, so they couldn't even say if it was biological father or the other who helped raise him after he was living on the streets.

This is another reason Butler keeps a close inner circle, it's not just to help people but give him a group he can trust to talk to without leaking information.

It does seem odd that only Lock'd On is the only podcast that has talked about this, this new info could be a big part of the Heat's next few years (even if they lose Butler and he still plays at a high level). How effective could Butler be moving forward on if his father's issues really affected his play? It's possible the desire isn't as strong as it once was with this happening, maybe it is but as he gets older it may not matter or maybe he can still play at a high level the further he gets away time wise from this tragic part of his life although it will still pull him down from time to time.

Also, is Butler reliving some of the issues now that this info is finally going public?

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Pat Riley definitely knew what was going on every step of the way lol, his $50M a year guy is missing games he’s going to know why that’s happening

Not sure about that, if Spoelstra knew and he was ok with it, that's where trusting your people comes into play, if Spoelstra says it's fine for Butler to go away for a few days on a family issue you trust Spoelstra. Why I say possibly just Spoelstra is because he's the only person in authority on a day-by-day basis for Butler and he would need to know this information to know how to interact with Butler in this situation. It's quite possible he didn't tell anyone outside of his inner circle and took some days off citing a medical issue to deal with his father, I say this because it would completely legitimize management/Riley going off like he did at the end of the season press conference and I could see Butler not mentioning it at all. I don't think Riley knew because if he did that's not a good look to go off on your star because they're dealing with their dying father at their home and in the hospital. To compound this thought of Riley not knowing, Kevin Love probably would have spoken up about it...

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Pat knew bro lol I would guarantee every player and member of the staff/executive team knew. Chalmers and UD said the other day there’s nothing that goes on in Miami that Pat doesn’t know about. Kevin Love isn’t speaking up lol

This isn’t isolated to the time Jimmy took off on this one specific stint, it’s the continuous amount of games he misses on a yearly basis and the half assing he does in 50% of the games he does play. They seem to be on the same page going forward which is great.