Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread

[zogster]

I will get flamed for this probably, but is KG now available that Doc is out of Boston? MM + Joel for KG works, I think. I'd miss MM, don't care about Joel.

[John Thomas]

KG has a no trade clause and he'll use it to stay away from Miami
no question about it

[John Thomas]

Hey Mods can we rename this to the Official Offseason thread?
So we discuss everything from trades to FA acquisitions etc etc?
Just makes things easier imo to have one large thread
let me know what you think

btw for those keen on reading more Miami Heat stuff and so we can avoid having to correct people on certain issues such as the amnesty provision, the luxury tax laws etc etc. i found a good a read:
http://www.hothothoops.com/2013/6/21/44 ... -offseason

I for one canot get enough of Miami Heat basketball

[heat4life]

What Miami needs is a physical rebounder that can give us more than the 15mpg that Birdman does. Someone like 2006 Udonis Haslem that can rebound, defend and is decent at scoring when open or in pursue of offensive rebounds. Preferably this player will be 6'10 or taller and is above average athletically. If we add such player, along with Birdman's 15mpg, we will be better equipped to battle the Pacers, Bulls and whatever team DH12 plays for.

Greg Oden would be almost perfect if not because of the unknown of his mobility/athletic condition. Robin Lopez is not a rebounder, he is more like Tiago Splitter and not sure how he fits.

Also, to trade Joel Anthony, we might have to include a pick since it would be a salary dump. Something along the lines of JA + 2nd rounder for late 2nd rounder with conditions that will equal to no pick. Mike MIller might have some value because if his shooting, however he is an injury risk and has a large salary. Not sure too many team will lineup for that one, so I think he is amnesty candidate #1.

I do think Miami spends more time and effort with developing players such as Justin Hamilton and Jarvis Varnado. These players, if developed correctly, can become contributors in the near future when we would have to be more cap conscious. This is why the partnership with the NBDL SKyforce is important. I can see Miami assigning a couple of their coaches to work in Sioux Falls with these young players full time and develop them.

The goal is to find the next Danny Green, Gary Neal, Udonis Haslem etc...

[John Thomas]

What Miami needs is a physical rebounder that can give us more than the 15mpg that Birdman does. Someone like 2006 Udonis Haslem that can rebound, defend and is decent at scoring when open or in pursue of offensive rebounds. Preferably this player will be 6'10 or taller and is above average athletically. If we add such player, along with Birdman's 15mpg, we will be better equipped to battle the Pacers, Bulls and whatever team DH12 plays for.

Greg Oden would be almost perfect if not because of the unknown of his mobility/athletic condition. Robin Lopez is not a rebounder, he is more like Tiago Splitter and not sure how he fits.

Also, to trade Joel Anthony, we might have to include a pick since it would be a salary dump. Something along the lines of JA + 2nd rounder for late 2nd rounder with conditions that will equal to no pick. Mike MIller might have some value because if his shooting, however he is an injury risk and has a large salary. Not sure too many team will lineup for that one, so I think he is amnesty candidate #1.

I do think Miami spends more time and effort with developing players such as Justin Hamilton and Jarvis Varnado. These players, if developed correctly, can become contributors in the near future when we would have to be more cap conscious. This is why the partnership with the NBDL SKyforce is important. I can see Miami assigning a couple of their coaches to work in Sioux Falls with these young players full time and develop them.

The goal is to find the next Danny Green, Gary Neal, Udonis Haslem etc...

i still feel that not taking a first rounder last year was a mistake

[heat4life]

What Miami needs is a physical rebounder that can give us more than the 15mpg that Birdman does. Someone like 2006 Udonis Haslem that can rebound, defend and is decent at scoring when open or in pursue of offensive rebounds. Preferably this player will be 6'10 or taller and is above average athletically. If we add such player, along with Birdman's 15mpg, we will be better equipped to battle the Pacers, Bulls and whatever team DH12 plays for.

Greg Oden would be almost perfect if not because of the unknown of his mobility/athletic condition. Robin Lopez is not a rebounder, he is more like Tiago Splitter and not sure how he fits.

Also, to trade Joel Anthony, we might have to include a pick since it would be a salary dump. Something along the lines of JA + 2nd rounder for late 2nd rounder with conditions that will equal to no pick. Mike MIller might have some value because if his shooting, however he is an injury risk and has a large salary. Not sure too many team will lineup for that one, so I think he is amnesty candidate #1.

I do think Miami spends more time and effort with developing players such as Justin Hamilton and Jarvis Varnado. These players, if developed correctly, can become contributors in the near future when we would have to be more cap conscious. This is why the partnership with the NBDL SKyforce is important. I can see Miami assigning a couple of their coaches to work in Sioux Falls with these young players full time and develop them.

The goal is to find the next Danny Green, Gary Neal, Udonis Haslem etc...

i still feel that not taking a first rounder last year was a mistake

Makes perfect sense. A first round pick last season would not have played at all and it would have cost us a 4 year commitment in salary plus luxury tax. Riley knew that 2014 was the year to stretch the core. Why if a decent name becomes available in 2014 and we can't make it happen because of the salary of our 12-15 man?
Flexibility.

[LikeABosh]

2nd Trade Idea

Joel & MM for Drew Gooden
-Bucks get 2 players
-Miami gets back a role player & saves Arison about 8 million in money

Gooden is probably the worst defensive player in the league. Worse than boozer

[heat4life]

I didn't even know Gooden was still in the league. The equivalent of Smush Parker as a front court player.

[DefenseWins]

I think Joel gets traded on draft night for a 2nd rounder lol. Then we just ship off that 2nd rounder just like every other year.

[GreenHat]

What Miami needs is a physical rebounder that can give us more than the 15mpg that Birdman does. Someone like 2006 Udonis Haslem that can rebound, defend and is decent at scoring when open or in pursue of offensive rebounds. Preferably this player will be 6'10 or taller and is above average athletically. If we add such player, along with Birdman's 15mpg, we will be better equipped to battle the Pacers, Bulls and whatever team DH12 plays for.

Greg Oden would be almost perfect if not because of the unknown of his mobility/athletic condition. Robin Lopez is not a rebounder, he is more like Tiago Splitter and not sure how he fits.

Also, to trade Joel Anthony, we might have to include a pick since it would be a salary dump. Something along the lines of JA + 2nd rounder for late 2nd rounder with conditions that will equal to no pick. Mike MIller might have some value because if his shooting, however he is an injury risk and has a large salary. Not sure too many team will lineup for that one, so I think he is amnesty candidate #1.

I do think Miami spends more time and effort with developing players such as Justin Hamilton and Jarvis Varnado. These players, if developed correctly, can become contributors in the near future when we would have to be more cap conscious. This is why the partnership with the NBDL SKyforce is important. I can see Miami assigning a couple of their coaches to work in Sioux Falls with these young players full time and develop them.

The goal is to find the next Danny Green, Gary Neal, Udonis Haslem etc...

No point in trading Anthony and/or Miller this year in salary dumps when they have negative value. Wait until next season when they both have value as expirings. That way we can take someone else's good but overpaid player in a salary dump.

Also I don't see why Birdman needs to be limited to 15 mpg

[GreenHat]

What Miami needs is a physical rebounder that can give us more than the 15mpg that Birdman does. Someone like 2006 Udonis Haslem that can rebound, defend and is decent at scoring when open or in pursue of offensive rebounds. Preferably this player will be 6'10 or taller and is above average athletically. If we add such player, along with Birdman's 15mpg, we will be better equipped to battle the Pacers, Bulls and whatever team DH12 plays for.

Greg Oden would be almost perfect if not because of the unknown of his mobility/athletic condition. Robin Lopez is not a rebounder, he is more like Tiago Splitter and not sure how he fits.

Also, to trade Joel Anthony, we might have to include a pick since it would be a salary dump. Something along the lines of JA + 2nd rounder for late 2nd rounder with conditions that will equal to no pick. Mike MIller might have some value because if his shooting, however he is an injury risk and has a large salary. Not sure too many team will lineup for that one, so I think he is amnesty candidate #1.

I do think Miami spends more time and effort with developing players such as Justin Hamilton and Jarvis Varnado. These players, if developed correctly, can become contributors in the near future when we would have to be more cap conscious. This is why the partnership with the NBDL SKyforce is important. I can see Miami assigning a couple of their coaches to work in Sioux Falls with these young players full time and develop them.

The goal is to find the next Danny Green, Gary Neal, Udonis Haslem etc...

i still feel that not taking a first rounder last year was a mistake

Makes perfect sense. A first round pick last season would not have played at all and it would have cost us a 4 year commitment in salary plus luxury tax. Riley knew that 2014 was the year to stretch the core. Why if a decent name becomes available in 2014 and we can't make it happen because of the salary of our 12-15 man?
Flexibility.

We are way past the luxury tax line, there is no flexibility with a pick or not.

[GreenHat]

Yep, if we amnesty joel, micky would still have to pay him the 8mil remaning on his contract, but it would save him 6mil in tax this season.

I think micky would have an issues paying someone to play for someone else.

How would it save him 6 million in tax? Wouldn't it save 3.75 in tax? Or are we in the repeater tax already?

we are non repeater, but we would pay the higher rate of $2.50 per dollar over the lux line because we will be $10,000,000-14,999,999 over the tax line.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q21

Thank you, I wasn't sure about the new penalty.

[Lane1974]

Lamar Odom for the minimum. Make it happen, Riley.

[Q00]

Bosh for Bynum?

I was just thinking MIA should go after Bynum in a S&T. Philly would probably love to get something of value back for him, and if MIA is interested in moving Bosh they could offer them an All-Star big man still in his prime in return. Then MIA can just give Bosh's salary slot to Bynum, so he gets the max deal he wants, and MIA gets the perfect 2-way big man to fill up the middle. Meanwhile Philly gets an all-star big to rebuild around. Win-Win-Win all the around.

Trade for Bynum and sign Billups in FA and I'd guarantee a 3peat. Bynum is the perfect matchup for Hibbert, or any Center they may encounter for that matter.

[Heat_Fan_87]

Bynum?

LOL

[Altered_Beast]

so heres how it shakes up (incoming long post)

contracts signed on to next season (removing any players with options)
$ in Millions

Lebron James - $19
Chris Bosh - $19
Dwyane Wade - $18.6
Mike Miller - $6.2
Udonis Haslem - $4.3
Joel Anthony - $3.8
Shane Battier - $3.2
Norris Cole - $1.1
Jarvis Varnado - $0.788872

Team Options
Mario Chalmers - $4

Player Options
Ray Allen - $3.2
James Jones - $1.5
Rashard Lewis - $1.5

Unrestricted Free Agents
Chris Andersen
Juwan Howard

adding it up it comes out to $86,188,872, incredibly over the cap (minus juwan and birds contracts)

Heat will be wise to pick up chalmers 4 million, Ray Allen will most likely opt in on saturday and rashard and jj have already stated that they will exercise their options

juwan and birdman will likely test the FA market. juwan surely will not be resigned (maybe a mid season pickup) while birdman can max out here at 3.2 million. He has been vocal about how much he appreciates this team and fan base (we gave him a shot when no one else did), so i can see him staying here for that price or maybe even less.

jarvis is gonna have to work to keep his spot. not guaranteed contract and even if he does make the cut his salary is the lowest on the team.

that leaves us with the 3 problem contracts. Mike Miller at 6.2, UD at 4.3 and Joel at 3.8. The Heat will most likely eliminate one or two of these contracts come mid july. UD is not one of them so that leaves us with the predicament of what to do. If we amnesty miller we cannot amnesty joel next year and vice versa. Miller can still be vital to this team, however he can lower the financial burden substantially. with luxury tax hits in mind amnestying mike can save us up to 20 million.

so my best bet is that we will sacrifice miller come july. he has the 4th largest contract on this team and players like ray allen and battier have came in and outplayed him for half the price. what sucks though is if we keep him he will be a great trade chip the season after, since he is an expiring and can somewhat still play and produce. still i see riley making the tough move (at the behest of lebron) and amnestying mike. i can then see us looking to trade a 2nd rounder packaged with joel (as others have suggested). essentially freeing us up to make 3 key signings for next season.

offer tony allen somewhere around 3 years 10 million (battier money). idk why people are sleeping on this guy coming to our team. sure he has no 3 ball but he is arguably the best wing defender in the game and he is all hustle 100% of the time. great teammate would make our defense colossal.

greg oden and birdman. hope greg oden can at least give you a good 12-15 min and stay healthy. pray to the basketball gods he is fit and ready to play come training camp and take it slow with him. can be a big payoff if he can stay healthy. birdman just needs to duplicate what he did this year.

pg- Chalmers/Cole
sg- Wade/Allen/T.Allen
sf- James/Battier/Jones
pf- Bosh/Haslem/Lewis/Varnado
C- Andersen/Oden/Hamilton

[LoveMyHeat]

Bosh for Bynum?

NO

[Q00]

Bynum?

LOL

His agent said he's fully recovered. A healthy Bynum is top 2, if not the best Center in the league. Whats funny about adding that to a team with a major problem in the middle?

I like Bosh but I'd trade him for Bynum in a minute if he's 100% healthy. I bet Riley would too. He knows the importance of a legit Center, and good luck finding one elsewhere with no capspace.

[Biscayne Beast]

I would never give Bynum the Max .. not with those knees. I rather have Bosh and give him a center to play with.

[WD]

Bosh: Ray Allen 'Is Coming Back' To Heat

Miami Heat players have been in Ray Allen's ear since winning the NBA championship, persuading him to return to the team by exercising his player option this offseason.

In his mind, Chris Bosh believes Allen's decision is simple -- and one he has made.

“We can make quotes all day, but he’s coming back,” Bosh said. “I mean, there’s really nothing to say. We respect each other’s space, but there’s one decision to make. So, it’s easy.”

Heat players also believe Chris Andersen will return.

“I think we have all the influence,” Bosh said. “Guys want to come back. I don’t think it’s any situation in the world better than what we have right now, and I think that speaks for itself, really."