Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central

[Dr_Heat]

Wuzzup RealGM family.

What I have heard:

We have made an offer for PG. However, so far - it was not every young chip. There is hesitation by some members of the FO in parting with TJ, Winslow and the 14th pick for a player who is very openly stating he is a one year rental barring absolutely unforeseen circumstances. I think they will err on the side of caution because Pat, even as confident in his ability to sway players as he is.... is well aware of the back channeling that has taken place regarding Magic Johnson and Paul George.

I think ultimately LAL will find a way to acquire PG because he is so adamant to end up there after next season regardless.

Speaking of back channeling......

HEAT are quietly, cautiously, yet pretty damn confident on Gordon Hayward pursuit. Confident enough that some of the urge to trade for PG circles around the thought that it would clinch Hayward to Miami. Even as a rental there is feeling it would clinch Hayward coming to Miami on a 3 +1 deal.

Sounds like James Johnson already has two numbers floated his way (1 offer with Hayward, 1 offer without) and its pretty likely he is retained. Although I personally am a little nervous he gets a monster offer like Deng did on July 1.

Also,

HEAT love Donovan Mitchell in the draft. They see him as a player who can replace Dion Waiters if they spend elsewhere or get outbid. He also enables them to move Tyler Johnson at some point because his contract (after it spikes in 18-19) likely cannot coexist on the same roster with Goran's $$. Remember, Riley didn't want to match on TJ, was ready to let him walk - and Arison stepped in and mandated they match because they didn't want to lose the asset.

That's all I got.

[J-House]

If we could have a team with PG and Hayward on the starting lineup I could see someone like Rudy Gay taking a little less to come off the bench and rejuvenate his value in the league.

[Mos_Heat]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they were confident with KD, too

[spectrec130]

Think that the situation with Russell is more realistic/risky.... Miami has no guarantee that GH will sign here prior to the draft so giving up the 14th pick to LA to get Russell (I believe the rumors are true) would set Miami in a direction that cannot be course corrected this offseason with this team:

1-Dragic
2-Russell
3-Winslow
4-JJ
5-Hassan

Not the most optimal line-up but will be interesting to watch

[LEIF]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they were confident with KD, too

You are correct. Obviously being confident does not guarantee anything.....That confidence with KD actually came directly prior to the face to face meeting. I think (only my opinion) that it was in part related to the fact Hassan agreed to take less if KD would come. This confidence seems to stem from information they have "gathered" from Hayward's agent, who he shares with James Johnson.

But again as Mos points out, it doesn't guarantee anything.

I still think they will have a good chance at Hayward or Griffin. Griffin becomes a more real option (for more than just Miami) the more Cp3 to SAS becomes reality and the mass exodus in Clipperland begins.

[Mos_Heat]

Think that the situation with Russell is more realistic/risky.... Miami has no guarantee that GH will sign here prior to the draft so giving up the 14th pick to LA to get Russell (I believe the rumors are true) would set Miami in a direction that cannot be course corrected this offseason with this team:

1-Dragic
2-Russell
3-Winslow
4-JJ
5-Hassan

Not the most optimal line-up but will be interesting to watch

I doubt you can get Russell without taking Moz/Deng

[SCHeat]

Wuzzup RealGM family.

What I have heard:

We have made an offer for PG. However, so far - it was not every young chip. There is hesitation by some members of the FO in parting with TJ, Winslow and the 14th pick for a player who is very openly stating he is a one year rental barring absolutely unforeseen circumstances. I think they will err on the side of caution because Pat, even as confident in his ability to sway players as he is.... is well aware of the back channeling that has taken place regarding Magic Johnson and Paul George.

I think ultimately LAL will find a way to acquire PG because he is so adamant to end up there after next season regardless.

Speaking of back channeling......

HEAT are quietly, cautiously, yet pretty damn confident on Gordon Hayward pursuit. Confident enough that some of the urge to trade for PG circles around the thought that it would clinch Hayward to Miami. Even as a rental there is feeling it would clinch Hayward coming to Miami on a 3 +1 deal.

Sounds like James Johnson already has two numbers floated his way (1 offer with Hayward, 1 offer without) and its pretty likely he is retained. Although I personally am a little nervous he gets a monster offer like Deng did on July 1.

Also,

HEAT love Donovan Mitchell in the draft. They see him as a player who can replace Dion Waiters if they spend elsewhere or get outbid. He also enables them to move Tyler Johnson at some point because his contract (after it spikes in 18-19) likely cannot coexist on the same roster with Goran's $$. Remember, Riley didn't want to match on TJ, was ready to let him walk - and Arison stepped in and mandated they match because they didn't want to lose the asset.

That's all I got.

[SCHeat]

Think that the situation with Russell is more realistic/risky.... Miami has no guarantee that GH will sign here prior to the draft so giving up the 14th pick to LA to get Russell (I believe the rumors are true) would set Miami in a direction that cannot be course corrected this offseason with this team:

1-Dragic
2-Russell
3-Winslow
4-JJ
5-Hassan

Not the most optimal line-up but will be interesting to watch

I doubt you can get Russell without taking Moz/Deng

I'll take Deng back if we can unload TJ

[Mos_Heat]

Think that the situation with Russell is more realistic/risky.... Miami has no guarantee that GH will sign here prior to the draft so giving up the 14th pick to LA to get Russell (I believe the rumors are true) would set Miami in a direction that cannot be course corrected this offseason with this team:

1-Dragic
2-Russell
3-Winslow
4-JJ
5-Hassan

Not the most optimal line-up but will be interesting to watch

I doubt you can get Russell without taking Moz/Deng

I'll take Deng back if we can unload TJ

need to find third team then. Magic wants cap space

[spectrec130]

Think that the situation with Russell is more realistic/risky.... Miami has no guarantee that GH will sign here prior to the draft so giving up the 14th pick to LA to get Russell (I believe the rumors are true) would set Miami in a direction that cannot be course corrected this offseason with this team:

1-Dragic
2-Russell
3-Winslow
4-JJ
5-Hassan

Not the most optimal line-up but will be interesting to watch

I doubt you can get Russell without taking Moz/Deng

(Just saw LAL salaries on hoopshype)

HOLY SHYIAT Good effing luck dumping either of those contracts. Those salaries are brutal. Id have a better chance getting rich selling condoms in a lesbian bar than the Lakers shedding either Deng/Mozgov without giving up the #2 overall pick.....

Still think it can be done if no one steps up b4 14....

[SCHeat]

I doubt you can get Russell without taking Moz/Deng

I'll take Deng back if we can unload TJ

need to find third team then. Magic wants cap space

Probably true, TJ would basically only be a one year reprieve.

[twix2500]

DeAngelo Russell wants to play point (that's one of the reasons Lakers willing to trade him). If the Heat acquire Russell it would be to replace Dragic. Putting Dragic on the Market (Paul George or Zach Lavine).

PG: DeAngelo Russell
SG: Paul George or Zach Lavine /( and Dwyane Wade after buyout)
SF: Gordon Hayward
PF: James Johnson or Marvin Williams
C: Hassan Whiteside

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[broke]

Wuzzup RealGM family.

What I have heard:

We have made an offer for PG. However, so far - it was not every young chip. There is hesitation by some members of the FO in parting with TJ, Winslow and the 14th pick for a player who is very openly stating he is a one year rental barring absolutely unforeseen circumstances. I think they will err on the side of caution because Pat, even as confident in his ability to sway players as he is.... is well aware of the back channeling that has taken place regarding Magic Johnson and Paul George.

I think ultimately LAL will find a way to acquire PG because he is so adamant to end up there after next season regardless.

Speaking of back channeling......

HEAT are quietly, cautiously, yet pretty damn confident on Gordon Hayward pursuit. Confident enough that some of the urge to trade for PG circles around the thought that it would clinch Hayward to Miami. Even as a rental there is feeling it would clinch Hayward coming to Miami on a 3 +1 deal.

Sounds like James Johnson already has two numbers floated his way (1 offer with Hayward, 1 offer without) and its pretty likely he is retained. Although I personally am a little nervous he gets a monster offer like Deng did on July 1.

Also,

HEAT love Donovan Mitchell in the draft. They see him as a player who can replace Dion Waiters if they spend elsewhere or get outbid. He also enables them to move Tyler Johnson at some point because his contract (after it spikes in 18-19) likely cannot coexist on the same roster with Goran's $$. Remember, Riley didn't want to match on TJ, was ready to let him walk - and Arison stepped in and mandated they match because they didn't want to lose the asset.

That's all I got.

first time using gif replies lol and cause I love this gif.

[puppa bear]

Wuzzup RealGM family.

What I have heard:

We have made an offer for PG. However, so far - it was not every young chip. There is hesitation by some members of the FO in parting with TJ, Winslow and the 14th pick for a player who is very openly stating he is a one year rental barring absolutely unforeseen circumstances. I think they will err on the side of caution because Pat, even as confident in his ability to sway players as he is.... is well aware of the back channeling that has taken place regarding Magic Johnson and Paul George.

I think ultimately LAL will find a way to acquire PG because he is so adamant to end up there after next season regardless.

Speaking of back channeling......

HEAT are quietly, cautiously, yet pretty damn confident on Gordon Hayward pursuit. Confident enough that some of the urge to trade for PG circles around the thought that it would clinch Hayward to Miami. Even as a rental there is feeling it would clinch Hayward coming to Miami on a 3 +1 deal.

Sounds like James Johnson already has two numbers floated his way (1 offer with Hayward, 1 offer without) and its pretty likely he is retained. Although I personally am a little nervous he gets a monster offer like Deng did on July 1.

Also,

HEAT love Donovan Mitchell in the draft. They see him as a player who can replace Dion Waiters if they spend elsewhere or get outbid. He also enables them to move Tyler Johnson at some point because his contract (after it spikes in 18-19) likely cannot coexist on the same roster with Goran's $$. Remember, Riley didn't want to match on TJ, was ready to let him walk - and Arison stepped in and mandated they match because they didn't want to lose the asset.

That's all I got.

Thanks for the tidbits Leif - it's always great to hear from you & what you have to add.

Here's hoping the GH situation runs its course, and gives us what we want.

Also the PG thing is seeming pretty freaking strange - I just can't see why he wants LAL so bad - there's massive shadows there and it will still be a long time before those kids are ready to contend. Heat has its own shadows, but the Riley factor should play a positive role in helping to keep him if we do get him in a trade.

As for the rest of the off-season, if we can swing clearing enough to give JJ a one-year contract to get his early bird rights, then we'd be set.

[gom]

This would be a disastrous trade for us. Horrific really.

1 year of Paul George isn't worth anything really.

[KingDavid]

This would be a disastrous trade for us. Horrific really.

1 year of Paul George isn't worth anything really.

And we'd still owe Phoenix draft picks, lol.

[Mos_Heat]

This would be a disastrous trade for us. Horrific really.

1 year of Paul George isn't worth anything really.

And we'd still owe Phoenix draft picks, lol.

yeah, it's like throwing all our assets in the trash can

[Harjo]

Whatever we do, I hope we don't lose what made us very good last year: a fantastic bench (Johnson & Johnson, Reed, Ellington). Imagine that bench with a healthy J-Rich and Winslow.

[radikalBaller]

If PG13 is so risky to become just a 1 year rental, should we not try to trade for Butler instead in a effort to get Hayward on board ?

[CrossOver]

If PG13 is so risky to become just a 1 year rental, should we not try to trade for Butler instead in a effort to get Hayward on board ?

Because the very reason the Heat could potential get Paul George is because they may be willing to give up actual assets for a rental whereas other teams won't be. The cost for George would be far lower than Butler since he isn't a rental.

Heat don't have assets to compete for Butler when teams like Boston and Minnesota are involved.