ImageImageImage

Roster moves in off-season.

Moderators: KingDavid, BFRESH44, MettaWorldPanda, Wiltside, heat4life, QUIZ, IggieCC

User avatar
Rodrizzle
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,781
And1: 1,482
Joined: Apr 18, 2004
Location: In 06,12 & 13 Championship Heaven
 

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#21 » by Rodrizzle » Mon May 30, 2022 1:20 pm

Think we should take a look at Bamba. Young and has the tools. Can play behind or next to Bam and is attainable
I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS....MY FRIEND!!!!
User avatar
DayofMourning
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 38,080
And1: 93,310
Joined: Jan 03, 2006
       

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#22 » by DayofMourning » Mon May 30, 2022 1:29 pm

Hartenstein, Jalen Smith, Bamba, etc make sense.

Brunson could be a lead guard but the price could be too high.

Branham as a scorer in the draft would require a trade up.
User avatar
Beenie
Head Coach
Posts: 6,098
And1: 10,040
Joined: Oct 24, 2016
 

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#23 » by Beenie » Mon May 30, 2022 1:50 pm

DayofMourning wrote:Hartenstein, Jalen Smith, Bamba, etc make sense.

Brunson could be a lead guard but the price could be too high.

Branham as a scorer in the draft would require a trade up.


High on Brunson.

He’d be virtually impossible to get though. He’s an UFA and the rules make it difficult to do a sign n trade.
BFRESH44
Forum Mod - Heat
Forum Mod - Heat
Posts: 7,122
And1: 10,923
Joined: Mar 25, 2007
Location: Coral Gables

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#24 » by BFRESH44 » Mon May 30, 2022 2:03 pm

Rodrizzle wrote:Think we should take a look at Bamba. Young and has the tools. Can play behind or next to Bam and is attainable


That would require a sign and trade, and with the rules set how they are with the hard cap, that’ll be tough to pull of. I’d deem that not likely.

We need to be looking at straight trade scenarios. And the best free agent options to utilize the Mid Level and Bi-Annual exceptions on.
User avatar
Kobewade11
General Manager
Posts: 9,018
And1: 18,831
Joined: Oct 15, 2017
   

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#25 » by Kobewade11 » Mon May 30, 2022 2:03 pm

Regular Season averages vs. Playoffs

Bam: 19 pts and 10 rebs. | 14 pts and 8 rebs.
Lowry: 13 pts and 7.5 assists | 7 pts and 5 assists
Herro: 20 pts 40% from 3| 12 pts under 20% from 3
Jimmy: 21 pts | 28 pts, +11% from 3

These are supposed to be our top 4, and as you can see only one raised his level of play when it mattered the most. One or two of these players needs to be sacrificed in a package for a guy that wont cower in the playoffs. The FO cant eat the cheese with this group and think they can run it back.
User avatar
-The Coach-
Freshman
Posts: 71
And1: 201
Joined: Jan 25, 2020
 

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#26 » by -The Coach- » Mon May 30, 2022 2:20 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:Regular Season averages vs. Playoffs

Bam: 19 pts and 10 rebs. | 14 pts and 8 rebs.
Lowry: 13 pts and 7.5 assists | 7 pts and 5 assists
Herro: 20 pts 40% from 3| 12 pts under 20% from 3
Jimmy: 21 pts | 28 pts, +11% from 3

These are supposed to be our top 4, and as you can see only one raised his level of play when it mattered the most. One or two of these players needs to be sacrificed in a package for a guy that wont cower in the playoffs. The FO cant eat the cheese with this group and think they can run it back.


Enough said.

We cannot run it back, big change is necessary to take the next step forward.
harlem_ball
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,513
And1: 4,545
Joined: Sep 27, 2021

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#27 » by harlem_ball » Mon May 30, 2022 2:22 pm

Get rid of anyone thats not Bam or Butler to get that 3rd guy.

C- Bam Adebayo / Yurtseven
PF- Harrison Barnes/ Tucker
SF- Butler / Martin
SG - Donovan Mitchell / Strus
PG - Vincent / GLeaguer
User avatar
Cmon_Son-_-
Head Coach
Posts: 6,083
And1: 8,790
Joined: Jul 11, 2012
     

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#28 » by Cmon_Son-_- » Mon May 30, 2022 2:22 pm

Beenie wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:Hartenstein, Jalen Smith, Bamba, etc make sense.

Brunson could be a lead guard but the price could be too high.

Branham as a scorer in the draft would require a trade up.


High on Brunson.

He’d be virtually impossible to get though. He’s an UFA and the rules make it difficult to do a sign n trade.

Brogdon is a better version of Brunson and he’s probably available. Duncan and some picks would probably get it done for a rebuilding Indiana.
| ̶G̶̶̶i̶̶̶a̶̶̶n̶̶̶n̶̶̶i̶̶̶s̶̶̶ ̶̶̶2̶̶̶0̶̶̶2̶̶̶1̶̶̶ ̶̶̶ ̶H̶̶̶a̶̶̶r̶̶̶d̶̶̶e̶̶̶n̶̶̶ ̶̶̶2̶̶̶0̶̶̶2̶̶̶0̶̶̶ ̶ ̶B̶e̶a̶l̶/̶L̶a̶v̶i̶n̶e̶/̶L̶i̶l̶l̶a̶r̶d̶/̶I̶r̶v̶i̶n̶g̶/̶M̶i̶t̶c̶h̶e̶l̶l̶ ̶2̶0̶2̶3 ̶L̶i̶l̶l̶a̶r̶d̶ ̶2̶.̶0̶ ̶2̶0̶2̶4̶ ̶J̶e̶s̶u̶s̶ ̶2̶0̶2̶4̶ | :giveup:
AirP.
RealGM
Posts: 37,669
And1: 32,288
Joined: Nov 21, 2007

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#29 » by AirP. » Mon May 30, 2022 2:30 pm

Butler and Lowry aren't going anywhere, Lowry's minutes have to be dropped in the regular season and I think they will, maybe Vincent gets a lot more minutes, maybe Oladipo eats into those also, maybe a new player?

PJ opts in and stays, his minutes have to be dropped and a future starting PF has to be brought into take some of his minutes.

Bam will only get traded if they can upgrade him which means he's probably staying unless Embiid forces his way out which I doubt happens. Bam is one of the few bigs who can somewhat handle the elite centers in the league.

Oladipo and Martin probably are retained. Adding a future starting PF allows Martin to play backup 3.

With the above Miami has Lowry, Oladipo, Butler, Tucker and Bam back... you're starting 5 everyone else is up for trade that isn't a FA.

I'd expect Miami will try not to trade Strus or Vincent and keep them as cheap rotation players.

Robinson's salary will be in some sort of packaged trade.

To not trade Herro would be insane, he'll never be a major cog for a high level playoff team because he'll get hunted much like Robinson. His playoff TS% was .490 this season, he shot 23% from 3pt range and was a -11 in ORTG-DRTG. Anyone in Miami that considers paying him what he'll seek is crazy but... you can just add that to a nice long list of overpaying players to instantly regret it. D.Robinson, Waiters, J.Johnson, T.Johnson, and Whiteside...

As long as Bam is in Miami they're going to switch everything, it's the reason why they drafted him.

Miami needs a backup/future starting PF.

If Yurtseven isn't traded (I think they'll move him) he'll be the backup center.

Dedmon may be back as an out of the rotation backup center.

UD will eat up a roster spot while basically being an assistant coach once again.

Butler's play should still be great for most of his contract, I would expect with as much as Butler went with a 3pt shot he's really going to work on his 3 ball to let his body rest more on the offensive end. While playing how he is probably will decline over the next few years, adding a legit 3pt shot will make him a better player overall.

I'm expecting at least 1 big trade this summer, possibly one or 2 smaller ones also.

The roster in the next 2-4 years will be better than this year's roster. Better days are coming but who knows if the same opportunities are coming to make the finals.
spectrec130
Starter
Posts: 2,340
And1: 2,095
Joined: Aug 27, 2003
Location: Land of Milk and Honey
         

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#30 » by spectrec130 » Mon May 30, 2022 2:30 pm

Miami needs size going into next year.

Boston, Philly and Milwaukee are roadblocks to the Finals and they are younger and bigger than the Heat. This team as constructed is maxxed out and would be to match up dependent in order to succeed.

Riles has his work cut out for him but Duncan, Herro and Lowry needs to be moved!
User avatar
Cmon_Son-_-
Head Coach
Posts: 6,083
And1: 8,790
Joined: Jul 11, 2012
     

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#31 » by Cmon_Son-_- » Mon May 30, 2022 2:53 pm

I really don’t see us trying to trade Lowry unfortunately.

But a lavine or Beal sign and trade can be done with Herro and a 1st going to either the bulls or wizards and Lowry and some picks(future 1st and some swaps) going to a 3rd team(thunder, rockets,spurs,pistons). If it’s possible to still have a future 1st we can move Duncan’s contract for a good player on a rebuilding team.

Edit: You can throw Kyrie in that sign and trade part as well. Also the big market aint large not sure what we could do there to improve
| ̶G̶̶̶i̶̶̶a̶̶̶n̶̶̶n̶̶̶i̶̶̶s̶̶̶ ̶̶̶2̶̶̶0̶̶̶2̶̶̶1̶̶̶ ̶̶̶ ̶H̶̶̶a̶̶̶r̶̶̶d̶̶̶e̶̶̶n̶̶̶ ̶̶̶2̶̶̶0̶̶̶2̶̶̶0̶̶̶ ̶ ̶B̶e̶a̶l̶/̶L̶a̶v̶i̶n̶e̶/̶L̶i̶l̶l̶a̶r̶d̶/̶I̶r̶v̶i̶n̶g̶/̶M̶i̶t̶c̶h̶e̶l̶l̶ ̶2̶0̶2̶3 ̶L̶i̶l̶l̶a̶r̶d̶ ̶2̶.̶0̶ ̶2̶0̶2̶4̶ ̶J̶e̶s̶u̶s̶ ̶2̶0̶2̶4̶ | :giveup:
Rapaz
RealGM
Posts: 11,429
And1: 43,573
Joined: Jun 12, 2014

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#32 » by Rapaz » Mon May 30, 2022 3:24 pm

It’s Kyrie or bust for me.

I know he’s a bit of a loon, but he’s a basketball savant.

And, also, this:

User avatar
Bishop45
RealGM
Posts: 34,569
And1: 112,007
Joined: Apr 22, 2015
 

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#33 » by Bishop45 » Mon May 30, 2022 3:37 pm

Don't think we have a chance at trading for a real star unless that star forces their way here-- Hopefully Mitchell starts a king sized fire and we could get him for Lowry/Herro

I'd love a sign-n-trade for Colin Sexton-- he needs to be on a team like ours

Bam needs to start shooting 3's or maybe we should explore Jerami Grant or Myles Turner, who are lesser players but will shoot
Long Live Winnie. Mamba siempre

Rest in Power Chadwick

#PeaceinGaza #FreedomforPalestine
al bondiga
Veteran
Posts: 2,739
And1: 3,247
Joined: Oct 18, 2018

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#34 » by al bondiga » Mon May 30, 2022 3:38 pm

It's difficult to say this without hurting people or imaginations... we have a pretty good team with good coaches... not much is really going to change, not even the small ball constant strategy

We have been to the ecf or finals with this team or similar in the last 3 years and almost the same way of playing... not even close to the best way but with lots of success... this is it in REALITY
carnageta
Analyst
Posts: 3,238
And1: 8,326
Joined: Dec 16, 2019
 

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#35 » by carnageta » Mon May 30, 2022 3:39 pm

I think Spo and Co. need to get creative and rebuild the offensive scheme to feature another big (ala Yurt) next to Bam. Those two not only need to start but log in 20-25 minutes minimum per game together as well. I think Yurt can be a 12 points, 10 rebounds type of guy in 24-28 minutes per night. On top of this, Bam needs to get to work this offseason and really develop a consistent jumpshot along with a tighter handle and better footwork. As poorly as he played offensively this postseason, his defense was still elite and I think he's still the best defensive big to have if you're trying to get past Embiid, Tatum/Brown, or Giannis.

Next, as others have pointed out, if we're going to maximize Butler's window (which is rapidly shrinking with every lost season) then we need to be serious about trading Tyler Herro along with filler for a proven player. Resign Oladipo and keep Kyle Lowry. Bring back Vincent and Strus as well. PJ too.

Basically, it comes down to this - can we flip Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, and this years draft pick for a difference maker?
User avatar
Bishop45
RealGM
Posts: 34,569
And1: 112,007
Joined: Apr 22, 2015
 

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#36 » by Bishop45 » Mon May 30, 2022 3:47 pm

Kyrie or De'Aaron fox might be possible too
Long Live Winnie. Mamba siempre

Rest in Power Chadwick

#PeaceinGaza #FreedomforPalestine
UFAlum88
Rookie
Posts: 1,144
And1: 1,645
Joined: Aug 24, 2020
     

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#37 » by UFAlum88 » Mon May 30, 2022 4:23 pm

No one, not named Butler, should be safe.
HEATVols865
General Manager
Posts: 9,025
And1: 6,698
Joined: Aug 09, 2002
Location: Knoxville, TN
       

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#38 » by HEATVols865 » Mon May 30, 2022 4:24 pm

AirP. wrote:Butler and Lowry aren't going anywhere, Lowry's minutes have to be dropped in the regular season and I think they will, maybe Vincent gets a lot more minutes, maybe Oladipo eats into those also, maybe a new player?

PJ opts in and stays, his minutes have to be dropped and a future starting PF has to be brought into take some of his minutes.

Bam will only get traded if they can upgrade him which means he's probably staying unless Embiid forces his way out which I doubt happens. Bam is one of the few bigs who can somewhat handle the elite centers in the league.

Oladipo and Martin probably are retained. Adding a future starting PF allows Martin to play backup 3.

With the above Miami has Lowry, Oladipo, Butler, Tucker and Bam back... you're starting 5 everyone else is up for trade that isn't a FA.

I'd expect Miami will try not to trade Strus or Vincent and keep them as cheap rotation players.

Robinson's salary will be in some sort of packaged trade.

To not trade Herro would be insane, he'll never be a major cog for a high level playoff team because he'll get hunted much like Robinson. His playoff TS% was .490 this season, he shot 23% from 3pt range and was a -11 in ORTG-DRTG. Anyone in Miami that considers paying him what he'll seek is crazy but... you can just add that to a nice long list of overpaying players to instantly regret it. D.Robinson, Waiters, J.Johnson, T.Johnson, and Whiteside...

As long as Bam is in Miami they're going to switch everything, it's the reason why they drafted him.

Miami needs a backup/future starting PF.

If Yurtseven isn't traded (I think they'll move him) he'll be the backup center.

Dedmon may be back as an out of the rotation backup center.

UD will eat up a roster spot while basically being an assistant coach once again.

Butler's play should still be great for most of his contract, I would expect with as much as Butler went with a 3pt shot he's really going to work on his 3 ball to let his body rest more on the offensive end. While playing how he is probably will decline over the next few years, adding a legit 3pt shot will make him a better player overall.

I'm expecting at least 1 big trade this summer, possibly one or 2 smaller ones also.

The roster in the next 2-4 years will be better than this year's roster. Better days are coming but who knows if the same opportunities are coming to make the finals.

If we trade Yurtseven because he doesn’t fit what Spo wants, I hope they find something nasty about Arison and force the team to be sold.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums
#HEATLifer #VFL

You're welcome LeBron.

Tyler Herro is a TURD.
Bam is NOT elite but is getting better.
Fire Spoelstra!
Josh Heupel is coming for you.

I’m a proud admirer and lover of BBWs!

Formerly known as Brazilian, QueenOfFairies and HEATlanta.
HEATVols865
General Manager
Posts: 9,025
And1: 6,698
Joined: Aug 09, 2002
Location: Knoxville, TN
       

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#39 » by HEATVols865 » Mon May 30, 2022 4:29 pm

This year’s pick needs to be shipped with Uncan and Herro.
We also need to trade for a pair of balls for Bam.

Bam needs to grow up and man up. His post game press conference was as ridiculous as it gets. Taking ZERO ownership for anything that went wrong. ZERO. No accountability. NOTHING.

He won’t get traded unless we get a star, so he needs to grow the **** up. Him tearing up the team Jersey was disgusting and a disrespect to the franchise that was a championship franchise before his soft ass was drafted.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums
#HEATLifer #VFL

You're welcome LeBron.

Tyler Herro is a TURD.
Bam is NOT elite but is getting better.
Fire Spoelstra!
Josh Heupel is coming for you.

I’m a proud admirer and lover of BBWs!

Formerly known as Brazilian, QueenOfFairies and HEATlanta.
TasteThePainbow
Freshman
Posts: 79
And1: 110
Joined: May 18, 2017
 

Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#40 » by TasteThePainbow » Mon May 30, 2022 4:34 pm

Unless Bam starts to play agressive and develops that mid range j (and he's **** capable of making it) we need a legit big and rim protector. Preferably one that can also shoot a bit. Could be Yurtseven for all I care.

Apart from that I'd love for us to get someone like Brogdon. A capable passer, a decent shot creator, a plus defender. I don't think we necessarily need more star power such as a Dame Lillard, but we need a lot more shot creation. Oladipo could be that guy after a full season healthy but i'd prefer one more option to offset the possibility of injury misfortune.

Return to Miami Heat