Miami Heat Off season 6.0- its DAME TIME in 305

[AirP.]

If Miami is able to get Lillard more than likely some unknonwns to the NBA will have some surprising seasons because they will be elevated to roles that a better player should have but because of the money crunch they'll have to be utilized. I'm really interested in seeing how Richardson does back in Miami, if he doesn't get hurt he should be a steal at his contract.

[greg4012]

You're the 2nd poster to say that and OK ... but I don't get it. I rip guys on OUR team. I'm certainly not holding my fire on opposing players which is what they are now. I don't feel like I owe players gratitude for doing the job they are paid to do. Often times not very well. But mostly I don't get objecting to calling bull on claims of great performance by simply pointing at the data and saying "show me".

Neither guy is good. Neither played well consistently. Their overall body of work makes clear that nothing of value was lost. I'm sorry if that upsets people, but I'm not getting gaslit into believing that up is down and down is up, and I'm not going to get pressured into remaining silent so that others can get gaslit without pushback.

Some people enjoy sports as an outlet to degrade and berate the players on the very team they’re presumably rooting for. I find it strange and cringe af. But I understand the dynamic exists.

Is it really someone trying to degrade a player if you're being honest? For instance I don't understand rooting for lesser players to be brought back when they should be somewhat easily replaceable. I've seen way too many smaller guards in the NBA be able to put up nice scoring numbers when allowed to shoot vs run the offense and the plays dictate the higher priced players getting most of the shots.

Feel like most of this has turned into straw man arguments. Who’s doing the bolded?

[miamiballer]

So to get lillard alone, it will likely need to involve herro and nurkic in some way to make salaries work

Lowry or herro and filler, picks doesn’t work salary wise

I just think it’s gonna be hard to get lillard unless dame wants out and specifically asks for miami and then the fact that okc didn’t lift protections on that pick kinda sucks

It’s gonna take a miracle

Might have to pivot to using Lowry for an upgrade at pg somehow

[HeatIn5]

Is the Rozier thing a real rumor?


Also I trust droppingdimes20 to take us to the promise land

[miamiballer]

Is the Rozier thing a real rumor?


Also I trust droppingdimes20 to take us to the promise land

No it’s not at least I hope not

[Spacely]

Let’s say we are “somehow” getting Lillard. Do we gotta give up both our young prospects in JJJ and Jovic plus Martin and Lowry + the picks as well? What’s the shortest leash on this trade?

[AirP.]

Some people enjoy sports as an outlet to degrade and berate the players on the very team they’re presumably rooting for. I find it strange and cringe af. But I understand the dynamic exists.

Is it really someone trying to degrade a player if you're being honest? For instance I don't understand rooting for lesser players to be brought back when they should be somewhat easily replaceable. I've seen way too many smaller guards in the NBA be able to put up nice scoring numbers when allowed to shoot vs run the offense and the plays dictate the higher priced players getting most of the shots.

Feel like most of this has turned into straw man arguments. Who’s doing the bolded?

Me, I did that bolding.

If I said the same thing about another team's players (maybe players Miami may be interested in) there wouldn't be an issue but since these are/were Heat players it's just seen as hate by a portion of the posters. Miami can replace these roles, they did somewhat recently for another starting combo/PG in Nunn who also left Miami for the Lakers.

[miamiballer]

Let’s say we are “somehow” getting Lillard. Do we gotta give up both our young prospects in JJJ and Jovic plus Martin and Lowry + the picks as well? What’s the shortest leash on this trade?

I think we should offer anything they want short of bam and jimmy to be honest

We have a nice team and all but don’t see any other trade right now that gives us a real shot to win a ship

[HeatIn5]

Let’s say we are “somehow” getting Lillard. Do we gotta give up both our young prospects in JJJ and Jovic plus Martin and Lowry + the picks as well? What’s the shortest leash on this trade?

The only thing that’s probably “guaranteed” is Lowry/Herro (or both if we’re getting Nurk back)

They’ll likely want Caleb

And I’d say they want 2 of Jovic, JJJ, Highsmith (we’ll prob want to keep one of first 2)

[HeatIn5]

Let’s say we are “somehow” getting Lillard. Do we gotta give up both our young prospects in JJJ and Jovic plus Martin and Lowry + the picks as well? What’s the shortest leash on this trade?

I think we should offer anything they want short of bam and jimmy to be honest

We have a nice team and all but don’t see any other trade right now that gives us a real shot to win a ship

I agree

[IceColdCubano]

Let’s say we are “somehow” getting Lillard. Do we gotta give up both our young prospects in JJJ and Jovic plus Martin and Lowry + the picks as well? What’s the shortest leash on this trade?

The only thing that’s probably “guaranteed” is Lowry/Herro (or both if we’re getting Nurk back)

They’ll likely want Caleb

And I’d say they want 2 of Jovic, JJJ, Highsmith (we’ll prob want to keep one of first 2)

Id give up Caleb and Heismith before we touch JJJ and Jovic.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’ll send the other 2nd to OKC to unlock the pick IF needed, that’s fine. That’s the business.

Also, Twitter is down?

[IceColdCubano]

Let’s say we are “somehow” getting Lillard. Do we gotta give up both our young prospects in JJJ and Jovic plus Martin and Lowry + the picks as well? What’s the shortest leash on this trade?

I think we should offer anything they want short of bam and jimmy to be honest

We have a nice team and all but don’t see any other trade right now that gives us a real shot to win a ship

I agree

Aldo please remember itd not like were stacking the deck here. Were not garranteed anything our role players played a huge role in getting us to the end of the rope but it snapped. We turn into Lillard, Bam, Jimmy and minimuns and we may lose in the eastern conference and not even sniff a chance at the nba Finals.

[AirP.]

Let’s say we are “somehow” getting Lillard. Do we gotta give up both our young prospects in JJJ and Jovic plus Martin and Lowry + the picks as well? What’s the shortest leash on this trade?

I think there isn't a shortest leash. The worst it could be is that you give everything you can and will have Lillard with Butler and Bam. With that said, Love and Richardson can't be moved so you could have 5 of your 8-9 man rotation already figured out and I would hope and expect a number of players would love to sign 1+1 to be highlighted in Miami's rotation. Now toss in signing at the minimum Cain and Robinson and getting them ready to play their roles by playoff time, you're up to 7.

It's a pretty big gamble but I think Miami would have a 2-4 year run with those big 3 and they should all mesh really well together.

So the worst it would look like...
PG - Lillard
SG - Richardson
SF - Butler
PF - Love, Cain
C - Bam, O.Robinson

With the expectations of other players willing to take the minimum for big minutes to try to win a championship or to get a lot of exposure on a good team for their next contract.

[HeatIn5]

Reading the GB thread on the Lakers/Gabe deal tells me there’s a bunch of ppl who never watched Gabe until the playoffs.

Such a weird thread. He’s definitely solid but he’s not a game changer

[greg4012]

Is it really someone trying to degrade a player if you're being honest? For instance I don't understand rooting for lesser players to be brought back when they should be somewhat easily replaceable. I've seen way too many smaller guards in the NBA be able to put up nice scoring numbers when allowed to shoot vs run the offense and the plays dictate the higher priced players getting most of the shots.

Feel like most of this has turned into straw man arguments. Who’s doing the bolded?

Me, I did that bolding.

If I said the same thing about another team's players (maybe players Miami may be interested in) there wouldn't be an issue but since these are/were Heat players it's just seen as hate by a portion of the posters. Miami can replace these roles, they did somewhat recently for another starting combo/PG in Nunn who also left Miami for the Lakers.

I’m struggling to understand you right now. Did you see the context and bolded lettering I was responding to?

You interjected yourself in a comment exchange because you presumably felt called out by it (which you weren’t).

[IceColdCubano]

Let’s say we are “somehow” getting Lillard. Do we gotta give up both our young prospects in JJJ and Jovic plus Martin and Lowry + the picks as well? What’s the shortest leash on this trade?

I think there isn't a shortest leash. The worst it could be is that you give everything you can and will have Lillard with Butler and Bam. With that said, Love and Richardson can't be moved so you could have 5 of your 8-9 man rotation already figured out and I would hope and expect a number of players would love to sign 1+1 to be highlighted in Miami's rotation. Now toss in signing at the minimum Cain and Robinson and getting them ready to play their roles by playoff time, you're up to 7.

It's a pretty big gamble but I think Miami would have a 2-4 year run with those big 3 and they should all mesh really well together.

No its not a 2-4 year window its at tops a 2 Year Window. Then diminishing returns happen, old age is a bitch. Neither Lillard or Jimmy are gonna be dominating at 35+ in anyone playing against best of the NBA.

[AirP.]

Feel like most of this has turned into straw man arguments. Who’s doing the bolded?

Me, I did that bolding.

If I said the same thing about another team's players (maybe players Miami may be interested in) there wouldn't be an issue but since these are/were Heat players it's just seen as hate by a portion of the posters. Miami can replace these roles, they did somewhat recently for another starting combo/PG in Nunn who also left Miami for the Lakers.

I’m struggling to understand you right now. Did you see the context and bolded lettering I was responding to?

You interjected yourself in a comment exchange because you presumably felt called out by it (which you weren’t).

I don't get why people are getting heated because marginal players are going out the door being called marginal?

[HeatIn5]

I think we should offer anything they want short of bam and jimmy to be honest

We have a nice team and all but don’t see any other trade right now that gives us a real shot to win a ship

I agree

Aldo please remember itd not like were stacking the deck here. Were not garranteed anything our role players played a huge role in getting us to the end of the rope but it snapped. We turn into Lillard, Bam, Jimmy and minimuns and we may lose in the eastern conference and not even sniff a chance at the nba Finals.

Absolute worst case you give up absolutely everyone and all the picks + can’t move Duncan + they make us take Nurk

You’re still left with

Lillard/Bouyea
Duncan/JRich
Jimmy/Cain
Love
Bam/Robinson

Gotta think we’re gonna keep Highsmith or JJJ, who turn into that backup 4, and we immediately become favorites for anyone on the buyout market.

A final roster of

Lillard/Goran/Bouyea
Duncan/JRich/SL Shooter
Jimmy/Winslow/Cain
Love/Highsmith/SL player
Bam/Nurkic/Robinson

Is still an upgrade to last years team

[Spacely]

I think we should offer anything they want short of bam and jimmy to be honest

We have a nice team and all but don’t see any other trade right now that gives us a real shot to win a ship

I agree

Aldo please remember itd not like were stacking the deck here. Were not garranteed anything our role players played a huge role in getting us to the end of the rope but it snapped. We turn into Lillard, Bam, Jimmy and minimuns and we may lose in the eastern conference and not even sniff a chance at the nba Finals.

Idc if we get Lillard we are winning a championship, imma stand on that