Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[VaDe255]

Sigh.....

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I'm not the one who was trying to build a narrative based on 5 games and then completely ignore how many factors flow into these stats.
And especially if you say pace slows down and the games becomes more defence oriented, you would naturally expect players to have lower production.

There is so much noise that goes into all of this and our naive analysis isn't capturing close to to what is needed to make conclusions.

At this point you're jump rambling saying you don't like my narrative. And only want to keep yours alive.

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Alright what is more true?
You did a proper analysis and concluded that Herro is a less effective player past December?
Or
You just claimed it to be true based on the individual observations you made?

My "narrative" is that you you likely did the second thing. I don't know if it is true, maybe it is maybe not, his production seems slightly down on a very naive glace that I took (could be due to lower pace and lower usage, lower minutes), but nothing very definitive.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'm not the one who was trying to build a narrative based on 5 games and then completely ignore how many factors flow into these stats.
And especially if you say pace slows down and the games becomes more defence oriented, you would naturally expect players to have lower production.

There is so much noise that goes into all of this and our naive analysis isn't capturing close to to what is needed to make conclusions.

At this point you're jump rambling saying you don't like my narrative. And only want to keep yours alive.

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Alright what is more true?
You did a proper analysis and concluded that Herro is a less effective player past December?
Or
You just claimed it to be true based on the individual observations you made?

My "narrative" is that you you likely did the second thing. I don't know if it is true, maybe it is maybe not, his production seems slightly down on a very naive glace that I took (could be due to lower pace and lower usage, lower minutes), but nothing very definitive.

Herro is an overglorified Jordan Clarkson.

[twix2500]

I'm not the one who was trying to build a narrative based on 5 games and then completely ignore how many factors flow into these stats.
And especially if you say pace slows down and the games becomes more defence oriented, you would naturally expect players to have lower production.

There is so much noise that goes into all of this and our naive analysis isn't capturing close to to what is needed to make conclusions.

At this point you're jump rambling saying you don't like my narrative. And only want to keep yours alive.

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Alright what is more true?
You did a proper analysis and concluded that Herro is a less effective player past December?
Or
You just claimed it to be true based on the individual observations you made?

My "narrative" is that you you likely did the second thing. I don't know if it is true, maybe it is maybe not, his production seems slightly down on a very naive glace that I took (could be due to lower pace and lower usage, lower minutes), but nothing very definitive.

I'm not gonna argue how to properly utilize data. That is too large of a discussion. I gave you a well explanation historically, I gave you context with Herro history with the league history and the current trend of Herro. I presented a lot. I haven't lied or made anything up. At this point its up to you how you want to interpret the data and context I gave.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Christopher must have been promised something by the Heat. He could easily get a two way some place else as a 22 year old former 1st round pick.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Christopher must have been promised something by the Heat. He could easily get a two way some place else as a 22 year old former 1st round pick.

Nah he’s just a g league pickup, he likely won’t stick

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No way Atlanta would do this but sign me up lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

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No way Atlanta would do this but sign me up lol

2024 is locked up right now. These people are dumb

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No way Atlanta would do this but sign me up lol

2024 is locked up right now. These people are dumb

[greg4012]

Herro is going to a stretch right now, but he has the skill to put it together.
Similar things happened to Bam in years past, and look at him now. Herro needs to get stronger, but the skill is there. I truly believe the best is yet to come from Herro this year.

I had high expectations for Herro this year, but he's been somewhat disappointing. His inconsistency became more apparent after his 2-point jumpers, previously at a career high, regressed to his usual levels. This downturn might have been anticipated by those familiar with his shot profile and its inherent inefficiencies.

While his defense and playmaking have shown measurable improvement, as evidenced by statistics, his shot selection remains a point of concern. Over time, he's been taking fewer shots at the rim, and this year, his mid-range attempts have hit an all-time high. This shot profile is inefficient, especially since he isn't drawing enough fouls.

To elevate his game, Herro needs to refine his shot selection. This might involve taking fewer shots overall and reducing his attempts at creating 2-point shots, even though he is quite proficient at them. These shots are not effective enough. Instead, he should focus more on playmaking, cutting, and initiating plays that lead to 3-point opportunities.

Herro has significant potential, and I believe the Heat's analytics and coaching team are cognizant of the adjustments he needs to make. Time, however, is of the essence, and the patience of Heat fans (and maybe the FO) is wearing thin. It's crucial for Herro to adapt and improve quickly.

Herro has started off well in multiple years. It's because he has a lot of adrenaline to prove people wrong as an individual player plus November and December teams do no play serious defense. His numbers usually drop down to the mean as the season progress, as defensive scheme get tougher and the playoff Jimmy returns. Oppurtunity and good shoots are gonna become less and less available. Herro has only played 19 games of his numbers are being carried by his fast start.

I have always compared Herro to Murray as equivalent quality of players.

Agreed--plus Herro is usually his strongest physically at the start of the season. You see the early season strength boost throughout his game--stronger handle, stouter on D, and more propensity to attack. Due to his slight frame, he struggles to keep on the same muscle as the season progresses and the players don't have the benefit of having the same time to commit to physical conditioning and strength work. This is a concerning trend with Herro.

[NightWatch]

I don’t know why you guys want Murray? He’s not that good. Spurs doesn’t want him. Hawks doesn’t want him. Don’t let his stats fool you.


What do you guys think of Gordon Hayward if bought out? We don’t have mid exception

[twix2500]

A stat that I think is important to observe and critique on Herro that he and Spo does have some control over and would boost his numbers and help the team is fastbreak pts per game.

Herros FBPS ave per month this season
Oct 4.5
Nov 1.5
Dec 2.3
Jan 1.2

I have always felt, Herro has the skillset to flourish in the open court



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[twix2500]

Christopher must have been promised something by the Heat. He could easily get a two way some place else as a 22 year old former 1st round pick.

Who is he? I just looked at a clip from 10 months ago and he has a lot of protective gear on his left leg. Was he injured?

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[RexBoyWonder]

Christopher must have been promised something by the Heat. He could easily get a two way some place else as a 22 year old former 1st round pick.

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Big strong guard, can score naturally but needs to improve his shot.

If he can defend and play smart...who knows

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[twix2500]

Christopher must have been promised something by the Heat. He could easily get a two way some place else as a 22 year old former 1st round pick.

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Big strong guard, can score naturally but needs to improve his shot.

If he can defend and play smart...who knows

The little research I just looked up on him, he has good physical tools and mechanics. But it seems his IQ is low, shooting % is low. Never really learned how to play any one position very very raw. Personally I find it alarming or a red flag how he was cut multiple times in a very short period of time for a player with the tools he has. Dam he shot well well below 30% from 3, thats extremely alarming. Very Winslow like.

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Got us another one.

I like what I see so far, moves like Gilbert Arenas

[MettaWorldPanda]

Christopher must have been promised something by the Heat. He could easily get a two way some place else as a 22 year old former 1st round pick.

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Big strong guard, can score naturally but needs to improve his shot.

If he can defend and play smart...who knows

The little research I just looked up on him, he has good physical tools and mechanics. But it seems his IQ is low, shooting % is low. Never really learned how to play any one position very very raw. Personally I find it alarming or a red flag how he was cut multiple times in a very short period of time for a player with the tools he has.

He was wrapped up in a roster crunch and questionable video that came out between Jalen Green and himself in a very compromising position to say the least lol. Utah wanted to sign Preston and they are over loaded at two guard so they moved on.

[twix2500]

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Big strong guard, can score naturally but needs to improve his shot.

If he can defend and play smart...who knows

The little research I just looked up on him, he has good physical tools and mechanics. But it seems his IQ is low, shooting % is low. Never really learned how to play any one position very very raw. Personally I find it alarming or a red flag how he was cut multiple times in a very short period of time for a player with the tools he has.

He was wrapped up in a roster crunch and questionable video that came out between Jalen Green and himself in a very compromising position to say the least lol. Utah wanted to sign Preston and they are over loaded at two guard so they moved on.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The little research I just looked up on him, he has good physical tools and mechanics. But it seems his IQ is low, shooting % is low. Never really learned how to play any one position very very raw. Personally I find it alarming or a red flag how he was cut multiple times in a very short period of time for a player with the tools he has.

He was wrapped up in a roster crunch and questionable video that came out between Jalen Green and himself in a very compromising position to say the least lol. Utah wanted to sign Preston and they are over loaded at two guard so they moved on.