Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Sounds to me like we’re interested in the 2 PFs in Brooklyn and I’ve always thought of Brooklyn as a good trade partner. They also have the expiring Dinwiddie who would be a nice backup PG.

No clue what they might be cooking up there if true.

Does Duncan and Jovic for DFS and O’Neale interest you?

That’s a no brainer to me but does it save us from the 2nd apron?

Nets also want 2 1sts for DFS which is absurd if true

[twix2500]

This year the Heat are 20th in the league in the frequency of their plays being Pick N Roll. The Hornets were first in frequency. I do not see Spo completely changing the offense midseason. Most likely adds Rozier into the current sets they have in place.

If they want to increase their pnr sets. May likely have to play Duncan and Herro together a lot to open the paint

The Heat are 8th in post up offensive frequency because of Jaime, Bam and Butler. Been kind of their bread and butter

akes sense--especially with Miami having no ballhandler that ranked top 30 in pick and roll efficiency (so basically the worst pick and roll ballhandler situation in the league). I would taper down pick and roll usage in that scenario, also.

I attribute at least some of that to the fact that Lowry almost never looked to cross the 3-point line. NBA tracking has Lowry averaging 2 possessions per game as a pick and roll handler (around 108th in the league).

Last year Miami was 15th in pick and roll frequency at 18.3 possessions (17% of possessions) during the regular season, but jumped to the highest frequency in the playoffs of any team that advanced past round 1 (2nd highest possessions per game overall)--23.1 possessions per game (21.8% of possessions). The trend with Miami leaning heavier on pick and roll in the playoffs tracks in the 2021-2022 playoffs, as well (once again 2nd in frequency).

I think the personnel change will push Miami closer to league average in pick and roll usage--and I again expect it to be an important staple for post-season play, as that is when Spo puts an end to the experiments and developmental approach he often employs in the regular season.

I can see that because it becomes the Jimmy Butler show and Spo defaults to pnr when he doesn't know what to do

twix2500 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:

This year the Heat are 20th in the league in the frequency of their plays being Pick N Roll. The Hornets were first in frequency. I do not see Spo completely changing the offense midseason. Most likely adds Rozier into the current sets they have in place.

If they want to increase their pnr sets. May likely have to play Duncan and Herro together a lot to open the paint

The Heat are 8th in post up offensive frequency because of Jaime, Bam and Butler. Been kind of their bread and butter


Makes sense--especially with Miami having no ballhandler that ranked top 30 in pick and roll efficiency (so basically the worst pick and roll ballhandler situation in the league). I would taper down pick and roll usage in that scenario, also.

I attribute at least some of that to the fact that Lowry almost never looked to cross the 3-point line. NBA tracking has Lowry averaging 2 possessions per game as a pick and roll handler (around 108th in the league).

Last year Miami was 15th in pick and roll frequency at 18.3 possessions (17% of possessions) during the regular season, but jumped to the highest frequency in the playoffs of any team that advanced past round 1 (2nd highest possessions per game overall)--23.1 possessions per game (21.8% of possessions). The trend with Miami leaning heavier on pick and roll in the playoffs tracks in the 2021-2022 playoffs, as well (once again 2nd in frequency).

I think the personnel change will push Miami closer to league average in pick and roll usage--and I again expect it to be an important staple for post-season play, as that is when Spo puts an end to the experiments and developmental approach he often employs in the regular season.



I can see that because it becomes the Jimmy Butler show and Spo defaults to pnr when he doesn't know what to do


That's one way to project assumptions to it

[Enso]

What’s up fellas any new developments today ?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Sounds to me like we’re interested in the 2 PFs in Brooklyn and I’ve always thought of Brooklyn as a good trade partner. They also have the expiring Dinwiddie who would be a nice backup PG.

No clue what they might be cooking up there if true.

Does Duncan and Jovic for DFS and O’Neale interest you?

That’s a no brainer to me but does it save us from the 2nd apron?

Nets also want 2 1sts for DFS which is absurd if true

With the inclusion of Bryant who makes salaries match perfectly at 23 million in and out it saves the Heat 12 million next year getting us out of the tax next year but still keeps us in the 1st apron this year.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Robinson
Jovic

For

Dunn
Olynyk

This trade is the most impactful in savings for this years cap and beyond

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Sign me up for both MWP, then I’m praying for a Burks buyout. Hes a great Duncan replacement shooting over 40% from 3 the last 4 years on 5-6 attempts a night.

Hes coming off recent 33 and 34 point games too off the bench. Nice spark plug

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What’s up fellas any new developments today ?

Interest in Royce O’Neale and DFS is about it

[SerialChiller]

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Damn that 11th highest pull-up 3 volume on over 39% is lethal!

[Enso]

Was watching highlights yesterday, you can tell wade had a big influence on his style of play.

[twix2500]

This year the Heat are 20th in the league in the frequency of their plays being Pick N Roll. The Hornets were first in frequency. I do not see Spo completely changing the offense midseason. Most likely adds Rozier into the current sets they have in place.

If they want to increase their pnr sets. May likely have to play Duncan and Herro together a lot to open the paint

The Heat are 8th in post up offensive frequency because of Jaime, Bam and Butler. Been kind of their bread and butter

akes sense--especially with Miami having no ballhandler that ranked top 30 in pick and roll efficiency (so basically the worst pick and roll ballhandler situation in the league). I would taper down pick and roll usage in that scenario, also.

I attribute at least some of that to the fact that Lowry almost never looked to cross the 3-point line. NBA tracking has Lowry averaging 2 possessions per game as a pick and roll handler (around 108th in the league).

Last year Miami was 15th in pick and roll frequency at 18.3 possessions (17% of possessions) during the regular season, but jumped to the highest frequency in the playoffs of any team that advanced past round 1 (2nd highest possessions per game overall)--23.1 possessions per game (21.8% of possessions). The trend with Miami leaning heavier on pick and roll in the playoffs tracks in the 2021-2022 playoffs, as well (once again 2nd in frequency).

I think the personnel change will push Miami closer to league average in pick and roll usage--and I again expect it to be an important staple for post-season play, as that is when Spo puts an end to the experiments and developmental approach he often employs in the regular season.

I can see that because it becomes the Jimmy Butler show and Spo defaults to pnr when he doesn't know what to do

Its a good assumption. Lets take a look Butler last year regular season as the PnR ball handler 4.8 possessions a game 24% frequency and 5.2 pts a game compared to the playoffs his possessions increased to 8.9 Pnr Handler a game, 34.8 frequency and 7.8 pts a game. Gabe increased from 3.0 possessions a game and 29.3 frequency and 2.6 pts a game, to 6.2 possessions a game, 47.1 frequency and 5.3 pts. Those two were the only significant increase.

[MettaWorldPanda]

What’s up fellas any new developments today ?

Interest in Royce O’Neale and DFS is about it

The more I look at it and dissect trade possibilities I don’t think we can meet BK’s asking price for DFS. Duncan is not really a fit for that team. KO is the most logical stretch big right now for the price

[greg4012]

This year the Heat are 20th in the league in the frequency of their plays being Pick N Roll. The Hornets were first in frequency. I do not see Spo completely changing the offense midseason. Most likely adds Rozier into the current sets they have in place.

If they want to increase their pnr sets. May likely have to play Duncan and Herro together a lot to open the paint

The Heat are 8th in post up offensive frequency because of Jaime, Bam and Butler. Been kind of their bread and butter

akes sense--especially with Miami having no ballhandler that ranked top 30 in pick and roll efficiency (so basically the worst pick and roll ballhandler situation in the league). I would taper down pick and roll usage in that scenario, also.

I attribute at least some of that to the fact that Lowry almost never looked to cross the 3-point line. NBA tracking has Lowry averaging 2 possessions per game as a pick and roll handler (around 108th in the league).

Last year Miami was 15th in pick and roll frequency at 18.3 possessions (17% of possessions) during the regular season, but jumped to the highest frequency in the playoffs of any team that advanced past round 1 (2nd highest possessions per game overall)--23.1 possessions per game (21.8% of possessions). The trend with Miami leaning heavier on pick and roll in the playoffs tracks in the 2021-2022 playoffs, as well (once again 2nd in frequency).

I think the personnel change will push Miami closer to league average in pick and roll usage--and I again expect it to be an important staple for post-season play, as that is when Spo puts an end to the experiments and developmental approach he often employs in the regular season.

Its a good assumption. Lets take a look Butler last year regular season as the PnR ball handler 4.8 possessions a game 24% frequency and 5.2 pts a game compared to the playoffs his possessions increased to 8.9 Pnr Handler a game, 34.8 frequency and 7.8 pts a game. Gabe increased from 3.0 possessions a game and 29.3 frequency and 2.6 pts a game, to 6.2 possessions a game, 47.1 frequency and 5.3 pts. Those two were the only significant increase.

I agree--it's a good assumption that Miami will increase its pick and roll frequency when Butler is more engaged and Miami has more capable pick and roll ballhandlers (like Butler and Rozier) engaged and available to use.

I definitely wouldn't consider Miami's regular season offense last season and so far this season as the picture of a healthy offense to emulate. Spo prefers to have his core players go through the growing pains in regular season.

[ZoStrong]

Robinson for Olynyk straight up is a really good deal. We get a big stretch 4 who's played in this system already for much less then Duncan and his money is off the books next year and we'll have bird rights to most likely sign for a dirt cheap Kevin Love type contract or some type of room exception.

That makes more sense than any other deal that's been talked about. The one thing that concerns me with someone like KO is we've already seen he can't handle bigs, I don't know what kind of appetite Spo has for two non-defending bigs.

You play KO strickly with Bam

BAM! and Knock Out, lol. It's like they were meant to be together

[SerialChiller]

That makes more sense than any other deal that's been talked about. The one thing that concerns me with someone like KO is we've already seen he can't handle bigs, I don't know what kind of appetite Spo has for two non-defending bigs.

You play KO strickly with Bam

BAM! and Knock Out, lol. It's like they were meant to be together

Hit 'em with the ol' one-two Bam KO attack haha

[SerialChiller]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

FGA a game:

Rozier - 18
Bam - 16
Jimmy - 14
Herro - 14

Make it happen Spo!!

[MiamiLoyal926]

Any updates if Terry will give it a crack today?

[SerialChiller]

Brady Hawk with a running thread discussing and breaking down Terry's game and fit

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[SerialChiller]

Any updates if Terry will give it a crack today?

Not yet, Lowry must be dragging his arse on the physical smh...

[IceColdCubano]

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Careful comparing, two #2 options in their respective teams, to a player now coming into possibly a #3 or #4 option on somedays depending on if Jimmy wants to show up. I don't expect Terry to be able to put up those numbers here, however I do expect the efficiency to be increased, and the perhaps the assist to be maintained or increased due to being surrounded by a better cast.