Game 4: Miami vs Knicks Oct 30th 730 PM EST

[VaDe255]

Bam needs to wake the **** up.

Jimmy needs to be agressive.

Herro Rozier and Jovic need to hit their shots.

It's a winnable game, but we're not looking great ATM.

Unless Butler or Bam goes and get the ball, it's the guards who basically decide if they shoot or have to kick it out. Butler doesn't like to go get the ball in regular season games because it takes so much work to create his offense, and Bam just isn't like that.

This is the first time in the Miami Butler era I have zero faith in this roster having any chance to go deep in the playoffs and highly doubt this team will get past the 1st round if they make the playoffs. Herro and Rozier's 39 points from 36 shots isn't good, that's like 108 points per 100 shots, you'd expect to get much more efficient scoring with your 3pt shooters getting that many shots.

It's alright to trash T&T, but don't just pick a single game, lets wait for a larger sample like 30 games at least.

No one expects much from this roster anyway and the backcourt is just average for NBA standards, offence looks fine, but they can't guard man to man.

[VaDe255]

Bam will likely not get the usage to dominate KAT as he’s seeing the lowest usage of his career as a starter early on this season. For whatever reason after a summer of growth development and winning a gold medal while being a key piece to that team and highest scorer multiple games he’s been neutered and relegated to the 4th option again like post trade deadline last year. A little surprising after the way things looked in the preseason.

As for the Knicks, their bench is awful outside of 1 player so we’ll see how it goes. Brunson plays an absolutely disgusting brand of basketball very similar to Embiid. Not sure I can watch as that nonsense just drives me crazy, it’s almost like he’s the industry plant for Adam Silvers Knicks lol. Just disgusting.

Bam high usage just equals Bam more fadeaway or contested over the top middies. He just isn't someone who creates high quality shots, until that chages, the lower his usage the better it is for the whole team.

His TS has gone down every season and it's absolutely awful for a front court player who is supposed to create dunks or high quality looks at the rim.

That’s as simple as tinkering his shot diet, the same one he showed in preseason.

%48 of his points came in the paint, 4% from midrange, 15% from the free throw (this would’ve likely improved in the regular season) 33% came from 3. That is a pretty solid split as I want 8 attempts at the rim at minimum, 5 from 3, and 2-3 in mid range when necessary.

TS% drop or not he’s still been our 2nd most efficient high usage scorer and that likely isn’t changing, tinkering the shot diet would get him back up in the 60TS% range.

If it only was that simple. Have you not watched him try to create a shot for himself? Usually what happens is he tries some fakes and mostly just holds the ball in his hands, then takes his midrage shot.
Bam getting the ball and trying to make an assertive move to get to rhe rim is a very rare sight.

60% for centers is below league average, it's around 62%.

Usually they take shots very close to the rim or draw fouls at higher frequency than guards, guards are aroud 57%. Bam is playing like a guard for unexplainable reasons and his mid range frequency is even high for guards.

[AirP.]

Bam needs to wake the **** up.

Jimmy needs to be agressive.

Herro Rozier and Jovic need to hit their shots.

It's a winnable game, but we're not looking great ATM.

Unless Butler or Bam goes and get the ball, it's the guards who basically decide if they shoot or have to kick it out. Butler doesn't like to go get the ball in regular season games because it takes so much work to create his offense, and Bam just isn't like that.

This is the first time in the Miami Butler era I have zero faith in this roster having any chance to go deep in the playoffs and highly doubt this team will get past the 1st round if they make the playoffs. Herro and Rozier's 39 points from 36 shots isn't good, that's like 108 points per 100 shots, you'd expect to get much more efficient scoring with your 3pt shooters getting that many shots.

It's alright to trash T&T, but don't just pick a single game, lets wait for a larger sample like 30 games at least.

No one expects much from this roster anyway and the backcourt is just average for NBA standards, offence looks fine, but they can't guard man to man.

Single game? I've been trashing Herro for years and now Miami has a second high volume scorer in Rozier. I like to look at ORTG from basketball-reference to see how individual players are contributing to the offense. Right now (although low amount of data)...

Player ORTG
Butler 146 <= That will come down of course.
Rozier 112 <= 2 higher than his career average
Herro 110 <= Currently the highest of his career
Bam 105 <= 10 below his lowest year

League Average... 112.7, down from 115.3 from last year.

It'll be very interesting to see where all these numbers are at after 20 games even if Miami wins 3-4 of it's first 5 games.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam high usage just equals Bam more fadeaway or contested over the top middies. He just isn't someone who creates high quality shots, until that chages, the lower his usage the better it is for the whole team.

His TS has gone down every season and it's absolutely awful for a front court player who is supposed to create dunks or high quality looks at the rim.

That’s as simple as tinkering his shot diet, the same one he showed in preseason.

%48 of his points came in the paint, 4% from midrange, 15% from the free throw (this would’ve likely improved in the regular season) 33% came from 3. That is a pretty solid split as I want 8 attempts at the rim at minimum, 5 from 3, and 2-3 in mid range when necessary.

TS% drop or not he’s still been our 2nd most efficient high usage scorer and that likely isn’t changing, tinkering the shot diet would get him back up in the 60TS% range.

If it only was that simple. Have you not watched him try to create a shot for himself? Usually what happens is he tries some fakes and mostly just holds the ball in his hands, then takes his midrage shot.
Bam getting the ball and trying to make an assertive move to get to rhe rim is a very rare sight.

60% for centers is below league average, it's around 62%.

Usually they take shots very close to the rim or draw fouls at higher frequency than guards, guards are aroud 57%. Bam is playing like a guard for unexplainable reasons and his mid range frequency is even high for guards.

I have watched, it’s how he gets a major chunk of his points unfortunately. Of the top 10 scoring centers in the league last year Bam ranked 2nd to last in assists % on his FGs at 58.5% ahead of only Embiid at 56.9% while guys like KP KAT Victor and AD range anywhere from 68%-80%. A huge part of big man play is reliant on guys being able to get you the ball in good spots. We don’t have that.

Right that’s why I said 60% range. More efficient 2 point shots and solid 3 point shooting will do the trick. Of the top 10 scoring centers last season bam ranked 8th in TS%, getting him up to 62% is doable and that would have him fighting for top 5.

It’s doable and it needs to happen.

[VaDe255]

Unless Butler or Bam goes and get the ball, it's the guards who basically decide if they shoot or have to kick it out. Butler doesn't like to go get the ball in regular season games because it takes so much work to create his offense, and Bam just isn't like that.

This is the first time in the Miami Butler era I have zero faith in this roster having any chance to go deep in the playoffs and highly doubt this team will get past the 1st round if they make the playoffs. Herro and Rozier's 39 points from 36 shots isn't good, that's like 108 points per 100 shots, you'd expect to get much more efficient scoring with your 3pt shooters getting that many shots.

It's alright to trash T&T, but don't just pick a single game, lets wait for a larger sample like 30 games at least.

No one expects much from this roster anyway and the backcourt is just average for NBA standards, offence looks fine, but they can't guard man to man.

Single game? I've been trashing Herro for years and now Miami has a second high volume scorer in Rozier. I like to look at ORTG from basketball-reference to see how individual players are contributing to the offense. Right now (although low amount of data)...

Player ORTG
Butler 146 <= That will come down of course.
Rozier 112 <= 2 higher than his career average
Herro 110 <= Currently the highest of his career
Bam 105 <= 10 below his lowest year

League Average... 112.7, down from 115.3 from last year.

It'll be very interesting to see where all these numbers are at after 20 games even if Miami wins 3-4 of it's first 5 games.

Well, I didn't like the Terry trade either, don't know why they got him. We'll see how it works out, last year was very injury plagued, they must see something most of us don't.

These ratings aren't all that useful, Tyler looks better on offence, more drives and rim finishes, ft rate is up also. We'll see how this looks after 30 games, 3 games really isn't much to go by

[eddieheatfan]

this could be a

[AirP.]

It's alright to trash T&T, but don't just pick a single game, lets wait for a larger sample like 30 games at least.

No one expects much from this roster anyway and the backcourt is just average for NBA standards, offence looks fine, but they can't guard man to man.

Single game? I've been trashing Herro for years and now Miami has a second high volume scorer in Rozier. I like to look at ORTG from basketball-reference to see how individual players are contributing to the offense. Right now (although low amount of data)...

Player ORTG
Butler 146 <= That will come down of course.
Rozier 112 <= 2 higher than his career average
Herro 110 <= Currently the highest of his career
Bam 105 <= 10 below his lowest year

League Average... 112.7, down from 115.3 from last year.

It'll be very interesting to see where all these numbers are at after 20 games even if Miami wins 3-4 of it's first 5 games.

Well, I didn't like the Terry trade either, don't know why they got him. We'll see how it works out, last year was very injury plagued, they must see something most of us don't.

These ratings aren't all that useful, Tyler looks better on offence, more drives and rim finishes, ft rate is up also. We'll see how this looks after 30 games, 3 games really isn't much to go by

Yet his TS% and ORTG is about the same as his career averages, why... because people don't remember the dry spells he goes through on a regular basis, that turd quarter last game, Herro went 0-5 from 3pt range, nearly half of his total 3PA for the game (12). This happens way more than people remember and it's these dry spells that usually puts Miami in a hole because he tries to shoot out of being cold vs get to the line or find an easy bucket to get back on track. The Detroit game should have been a blowout but instead it was still close until the end. What's worse is that Miami now has 2 players like this with the addition of Rozier. This team may blow out some teams when both of them are on, but when both aren't it's not going to be pretty.

[al bondiga]

This heat team is not playing together, so if Brunson is on... I don't think we have A shot.

[al bondiga]

When it comes to judging a bad team or a good one, I rely on the eye test...big time!
For that, of course 30 games are better than 3 but...

the way this team moves within a scheme or They're attitude towards each other...I can tell you Eric needs to twitch something important ASAP... Before we get into bad habits.

I have seen a lot of basketball, is the same as hearing a good piece of music For a composer ... You can tell from the first few notes.

[eddieheatfan]

oh chit Scott foster is officiating lol

[Johnny Fontane]

Jovic lost the bulk he put on last year seemingly

[Kobewade11]

good defense and relocation from Herro on b2b possessions

[Kobewade11]

Jovic lost the bulk he put on last year seemingly

yea I was gonna say it looks like he needs one more summer in the weight room

[AirP.]

Whoever has Brunson guarding them needs to attack him. Not so much Rozier getting the ball, doing nothing then shooting over a 7 footer.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Difference in shot quality is glaring, we’ll see if it holds up as the game goes on. Not a good sign for us if so

[Hallstar]

Why is Bam scared to shoot?

[AirP.]

Did Rozier just do a 360 and jack up a shot?

[eddieheatfan]

bam bailing them out with the silly fouls.

[AirP.]

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