2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Doesn’t help that we neutered Bam the second we got Terry because we added another guy making almost $30M who is an offense only player like Herro and Duncan who make like $50M combined. His offense was progressing very well at 22 PPG prior to Terry and plummeted the second we added him.

This season is just a slump coupled with growing pains of a new offense and developing a 3 ball but he’s been back to the norm since December 1st or so.

Need to spam offense for Him and Herro to close this season to fast track the development. And I’m not talking throwing him the ball and making him iso and attack 2-3 guys at once the second he puts the ball on the court, need to run actual sets for him. We have plenty

Terry is just awful in so many ways and even if we got the best version of him, I have NEVER been a fan of offense only guards who are inefficient (why I was so hesitant to warm to Herro before he made his efficiency leap this season). People will make arguments that these guys make good 6th men, I'd argue you rarely ever see this type of 6th man on great teams. Even when Herro was more of a chucker, our best seasons he wasn't doing much in the playoffs.

What's the prototype for this that you can point to on a great championship team? Jamal Crawford was doing it OK for the Clippers for a while but they're seen as an underachiever (the Doc Rivers squads I mean).

Ugh I'm going to puke.

[powerball1373]

Charlotte fan here.

Just reading some rumors KD most likely destination this off-season is Miami. With the emergence of Ware I was wondering about a possible deal with Charlotte this off-season.

Being KD is a of at this stage of his career wouldn't it make more sense to trade Bam for a true pg.

Thoughts on a possible Bam for LaMelo swap if you guys land KD?

No need to get into detailed analysis of them as players, just know that there's zero chance Pat Riley trades Bam for LaMelo. Zero.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Charlotte fan here.

Just reading some rumors KD most likely destination this off-season is Miami. With the emergence of Ware I was wondering about a possible deal with Charlotte this off-season.

Being KD is a of at this stage of his career wouldn't it make more sense to trade Bam for a true pg.

Thoughts on a possible Bam for LaMelo swap if you guys land KD?

I can't imagine Miami having much interest in LaMelo Ball. He's extremely skillful and brings a lot of entertainment value, but he doesn't seem like the kind of player Miami would pursue, let alone for Adebayo who, aside from kind of embodying "Heat Culture", is Miami's only legit big.

People are getting a little too carried away with the Ware hype. He's shown some nice skill and promise but, imo, he's 2-3 years away from being a consistent force on the court -- if he ever actually gets there. I'll make a similar point with Jovic, who I am not very high on: he's shown some promise, but he looks to be 2-3 years away from being a reliable contributor.

Someone was calling Ware the franchise leader off of 3 good games

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Doesn’t help that we neutered Bam the second we got Terry because we added another guy making almost $30M who is an offense only player like Herro and Duncan who make like $50M combined. His offense was progressing very well at 22 PPG prior to Terry and plummeted the second we added him.

This season is just a slump coupled with growing pains of a new offense and developing a 3 ball but he’s been back to the norm since December 1st or so.

Need to spam offense for Him and Herro to close this season to fast track the development. And I’m not talking throwing him the ball and making him iso and attack 2-3 guys at once the second he puts the ball on the court, need to run actual sets for him. We have plenty

Terry is just awful in so many ways and even if we got the best version of him, I have NEVER been a fan of offense only guards who are inefficient (why I was so hesitant to warm to Herro before he made his efficiency leap this season). People will make arguments that these guys make good 6th men, I'd argue you rarely ever see this type of 6th man on great teams. Even when Herro was more of a chucker, our best seasons he wasn't doing much in the playoffs.

What's the prototype for this that you can point to on a great championship team? Jamal Crawford was doing it OK for the Clippers for a while but they're seen as an underachiever (the Doc Rivers squads I mean).

The jury is definitely still out on Herro, we’ve yet to see if it’s sustainable or just a hot stretch, he’s been pretty mediocre the last 10.

Injuries definitely didn’t help those clippers teams, the most recent I can think of would be Poole, Odom was a different kind of player as a 6 man, Ginobli was a better all around player than Herro and played both ends so hard to make the comparison there. Probably not too many tbh but that’s just off the top of my head

[Moneyball_Spo]

I don't want to get confused for 3ammy, but a lot of this board is vastly underestimating Bam's stabilizing effect on these squads, especially defensively. I get his offense is herky jerky and frustrating due to the feeling he's wasting some potential, but he's doing it all on the other end of the floor and absolutely carrying, and its being taken for granted. Some teams would take a guy with his defense that can only give you mediocre offense and pay him (think Gobert), but Bam actually gives you average or even plus offense at times.

I would bet money if you replaced Bam with Ball straight up next year, with no other roster changes, that goes from a 45-50 win squad to a 30 win team.

I think the quiet majority of the board understands Bam's value to the team and rates him appropriately. Where the line gets blurred is there's usually an extreme reaction to a minority of posters that criticize him (and to be fair, there is criticism of Bam that is perfectly legit).

Exactly. He a good player. Yes he compensate for the team in a lot of ways, but is he worth a max contract? Hell no. He is the 3rd option on a great team at best.

[dshearn]

Lamelo would be amazing. If he came off as coachable, I would trade Bam.

To me, I think we will always need Bam and 2 other guys. I don't think Bam has the mentality or the ability to be the second guy on a finals favorite. Maybe if you paired Bam with a generational talent it would work...but basically he is that third guy who does all the dirty work. in short he can't be the most talented guy.

I think Lamelo could be the most talented guy on a finals contender. Maybe that's because I grossly over estimate his talent level, but to me...he looks like a really talented dude.

[Kobewade11]

Lamelo would be amazing. If he came off as coachable, I would trade Bam.

To me, I think we will always need Bam and 2 other guys. I don't think Bam has the mentality or the ability to be the second guy on a finals favorite. Maybe if you paired Bam with a generational talent it would work...but basically he is that third guy who does all the dirty work. in short he can't be the most talented guy.

I think Lamelo could be the most talented guy on a finals contender. Maybe that's because I grossly over estimate his talent level, but to me...he looks like a really talented dude.

I could be very wrong but he just strikes me as a guy that gets numbers but doesn't really impact winning. Like if you were to swap LaMelo with Cade I think Charlotte is a playoff team and Detroit is where the Hornets are now.

[3ballbomber]

Charlotte fan here.

Just reading some rumors KD most likely destination this off-season is Miami. With the emergence of Ware I was wondering about a possible deal with Charlotte this off-season.

Being KD is a of at this stage of his career wouldn't it make more sense to trade Bam for a true pg.

Thoughts on a possible Bam for LaMelo swap if you guys land KD?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Thinking Ball can help win a championship more with 0
Playoff experience compared to a guy who anchored multiple defenses to deep playoff runs and close to 2 championships is certainly a take

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't want to get confused for 3ammy, but a lot of this board is vastly underestimating Bam's stabilizing effect on these squads, especially defensively. I get his offense is herky jerky and frustrating due to the feeling he's wasting some potential, but he's doing it all on the other end of the floor and absolutely carrying, and its being taken for granted. Some teams would take a guy with his defense that can only give you mediocre offense and pay him (think Gobert), but Bam actually gives you average or even plus offense at times.

I would bet money if you replaced Bam with Ball straight up next year, with no other roster changes, that goes from a 45-50 win squad to a 30 win team.

I think the quiet majority of the board understands Bam's value to the team and rates him appropriately. Where the line gets blurred is there's usually an extreme reaction to a minority of posters that criticize him (and to be fair, there is criticism of Bam that is perfectly legit).

Exactly. He a good player. Yes he compensate for the team in a lot of ways, but is he worth a max contract? Hell no. He is the 3rd option on a great team at best.

Pure nonsense

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The basketball world will be a much better place when the casual fan understands there’s more to the game than PPG

[JustBuzzin]

Charlotte fan here.

Just reading some rumors KD most likely destination this off-season is Miami. With the emergence of Ware I was wondering about a possible deal with Charlotte this off-season.

Being KD is a of at this stage of his career wouldn't it make more sense to trade Bam for a true pg.

Thoughts on a possible Bam for LaMelo swap if you guys land KD?

Of all the gifs you chose that one.

[3ballbomber]

I don't want to get confused for 3ammy, but a lot of this board is vastly underestimating Bam's stabilizing effect on these squads, especially defensively. I get his offense is herky jerky and frustrating due to the feeling he's wasting some potential, but he's doing it all on the other end of the floor and absolutely carrying, and its being taken for granted. Some teams would take a guy with his defense that can only give you mediocre offense and pay him (think Gobert), but Bam actually gives you average or even plus offense at times.

I would bet money if you replaced Bam with Ball straight up next year, with no other roster changes, that goes from a 45-50 win squad to a 30 win team.

I think the quiet majority of the board understands Bam's value to the team and rates him appropriately. Where the line gets blurred is there's usually an extreme reaction to a minority of posters that criticize him (and to be fair, there is criticism of Bam that is perfectly legit).

Exactly. He a good player. Yes he compensate for the team in a lot of ways, but is he worth a max contract? Hell no. He is the 3rd option on a great team at best.

Unfortunately in this wack new nba landscape many don’t deserve their contract & are getting paid off of potential. Bam
Is just another on the list who got paid too much too early w/out properly earning it.

[3ballbomber]

Charlotte fan here.

Just reading some rumors KD most likely destination this off-season is Miami. With the emergence of Ware I was wondering about a possible deal with Charlotte this off-season.

Being KD is a of at this stage of his career wouldn't it make more sense to trade Bam for a true pg.

Thoughts on a possible Bam for LaMelo swap if you guys land KD?

Of all the gifs you chose that one.

I don’t like LaMelo. I’ll trade Rozier for him tho

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I think the quiet majority of the board understands Bam's value to the team and rates him appropriately. Where the line gets blurred is there's usually an extreme reaction to a minority of posters that criticize him (and to be fair, there is criticism of Bam that is perfectly legit).

Exactly. He a good player. Yes he compensate for the team in a lot of ways, but is he worth a max contract? Hell no. He is the 3rd option on a great team at best.

Unfortunately in this wack new nba landscape many don’t deserve their contract & are getting paid off of potential. Bam
Is just another on the list who got paid too much too early w/out properly earning it.

Yeah I mean it depends how you define a max contract. Some people go by what a player can get on a free market, in which case the top 5-10 players are all actually underpaid, and Bam probably is about fair market value. But if you measure a max purely by the players who get it now, then yeah Bam's middle of the pack and arguably a bit overpaid. All depends how you view the CBA.

Bam's definitely not in the bottom tier of max level players though, unless you completely ignore defense. You're getting Gobert level contributions from a guy who is still a positive impact offensive player, that's pretty huge.

Also you have to think about something like the Olympics, he was a guy everyone raved about and many considered him the most important player on that squad. What he does really is hard to replace.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Exactly. He a good player. Yes he compensate for the team in a lot of ways, but is he worth a max contract? Hell no. He is the 3rd option on a great team at best.

Unfortunately in this wack new nba landscape many don’t deserve their contract & are getting paid off of potential. Bam
Is just another on the list who got paid too much too early w/out properly earning it.

Yeah I mean it depends how you define a max contract. Some people go by what a player can get on a free market, in which case the top 5-10 players are all actually underpaid, and Bam probably is about fair market value. But if you measure a max purely by the players who get it now, then yeah Bam's middle of the pack and arguably a bit overpaid. All depends how you view the CBA.

Bam's definitely not in the bottom tier of max level players though, unless you completely ignore defense. You're getting Gobert level contributions from a guy who is still a positive impact offensive player, that's pretty huge.

Also you have to think about something like the Olympics, he was a guy everyone raved about and many considered him the most important player on that squad. What he does really is hard to replace.

Surely to god the contract in question is the one he’ll be making 2 seasons from now (where he’ll definitely be a better and more polished player) and not the current contract he has for this season and the next where he has actually been underpaid for the duration of this contract?

[jbsays]

I think the only way Heat would trade Bam is for guys like Luka, SGA, Giannis, or Jokic. Maybe I am over valuing him, but I just don't see them trading him for someone like Ball or 36 year old KD.

If KD wants to come here it's going to be for anyone on the roster other than Bam, Herro, or Ware. I agree Heat fans should temper their expectations with Ware, but Heat have him for cheap for 3 seasons moving forward. I don't think it would be a good move to trade him for a past the prime Allstar and go back to having Bam as the only legit NBA big. He might top out at 12ppg, 10rpg guy but you know it's going to be at a high FG%, he will alter some shots, and hopefully improves defensively. It's just too valuable to move for a guy on his rookie contract when you essentially want 3 max guys in the lineup and two of them are likely Bam and Herro.

[twix2500]

LaMelo is a mediocre to bad professional basketball player. He is a good nerf basketball player

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

I think the only way Heat would trade Bam is for guys like Luka, SGA, Giannis, or Jokic. Maybe I am over valuing him, but I just don't see them trading him for someone like Ball or 36 year old KD.

If KD wants to come here it's going to be for anyone on the roster other than Bam, Herro, or Ware. I agree Heat fans should temper their expectations with Ware, but Heat have him for cheap for 3 seasons moving forward. I don't think it would be a good move to trade him for a past the prime Allstar and go back to having Bam as the only legit NBA big. He might top out at 12ppg, 10rpg guy but you know it's going to be at a high FG%, he will alter some shots, and hopefully improves defensively. It's just too valuable to move for a guy on his rookie contract when you essentially want 3 max guys in the lineup and two of them are likely Bam and Herro.

I’d be ecstatic if Ware turned out to be a better rebounding and slightly more mobile Myles Turner

[marson]

I'm not trading Bam for a net negative value type of player, but let's say Giannis requested a trade. I'd offer Bam in a heartbeat and build around Herro and Giannis. You can preach defense all the way you want but if a max player lacks offensive bags, this team is going nowhere as opposed to Tyler which fit today's game and would be easier to build around.