Heat to target Boozer next summer?

[Flash3]

There is NO WAY Utah is trading Deron Williams, especially not in the near future.

Acquiring Shaq was a different story. They were underlying factors that made that move a reality....

[CoolD]

There is NO WAY Utah is trading Deron Williams, especially not in the near future.

Acquiring Shaq was a different story. They were underlying factors that made that move a reality....

Only because their is reports that Deron is going to extend. But lets say, Deron changed his mind and didn't extend this summer. And Utah is offered a guy as good as Rose, that you will have on a guaranteed rookie contract, you would definite think about it.

Lets say Wade didn't want to extend his contract, and you have one year left. And you might lose him without getting nothing in return, like internal information that says he wants out of Miami. Why wouldn't the Heat think of trading him, for a future phenom. If you are most likely going to lose him anyways, for nothing.


Am not saying is going to happen, but you will be dumb, not to think of the possibility, if it came about that way.

[Flash3]

Right now, there is no way Utah is moving Williams. There's nothing out there that dictates Williams is unhappy out in Utah, and on top of that, Utah is in line to currently pay him top $.

I don't see why he wouldn't re-up with them.

[CoolD]

Right now, there is no way Utah is moving Williams. There's nothing out there that dictates Williams is unhappy out in Utah, and on top of that, Utah is in line to currently pay him top $.

I don't see why he wouldn't re-up with them.

In the generic world, eveyone thinks its impossible. But in the real world, were nothing is as black and white as it seems. Especially when we don't even have real information such as the real things that go behind the scenes, nothing is impossible.
Strange and funny things happen all the time.

[HeatSince88]

No offense CaliHeat, but I don't think anyone pays much attention to your player evaluations. "Derrick Byars is the next Caron Butler/Josh Howard" ... "Petteri Koponen is the next Steve Nash" .... "you will all look dumb when I'm right and you're wrong"

If you don't like Boozer (a proven 20/10 all-star post presence) that's all the more reason for the rest of us to like him. The worst you can say of him is "he's not [the greatest PF of all time]?" LOL, OK man, great point. Let's not sign anyone unless they're the greatest of all time.

And CoolD, calling someone else "dumb" when they state there is no chance of Utah trading their young, franchise guard for an unproven teenager makes you seem, well, what's a good word for 'not smart'? Why not take your Deron Williams trade theory to the Jazz board and see how receptive they are to your intelligence?

And shaving an inch off Boozer's measurements isn't fooling anyone. He's a legit 6'9 and is listed that way every place you look. You've never stood next to him, so you know no better than the guy who measures him at 6'9 266lbs.

Lastly, taking a horrible series where Boozer only got 16/13/3 is supposed to make him look bad? LOL. If 16/13/3 is someone's bad side, I'll take it. And so will Riley thankfully.

[HeatSince88]

BTW, of all NBA players who played at least 70 games this year, Boozer was ranked 12th in PER this year. Some notables he finished ahead of ...

- Dwyane Wade
- Steve Nash
- Carmelo Anthony
- Allen Iverson
- Tracy McGrady
- Deron Williams
- Pau Gasol
- Shawn Marion
- Shaquille O'Neal

[Flash3]

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In the generic world, eveyone thinks its impossible. But in the real world, were nothing is as black and white as it seems. Especially when we don't even have real information such as the real things that go behind the scenes, nothing is impossible.
Strange and funny things happen all the time.

You believe what you want to, and I along with the many others who think differently of this situation will believe differently.

[salqaddoumi]

I'll say it again: lets chill out on the stats guys. They're not going to show sub-par defense or hurting your team offensively in the fourth if you just take the numbers from the whole game and don't even list the shooting percentages.

No need to fight though, we're all Heat fans and this is a peaceful discussion. ;o

[HeatSince88]

I'll say it again: lets chill out on the stats guys. They're not going to show sub-par defense or hurting your team offensively in the fourth if you just take the numbers from the whole game and don't even list the shooting percentages.

No need to fight though, we're all Heat fans and this is a peaceful discussion. ;o

I'm sorry you saw a game or two where Boozer didn't knock down a bunch of shots in the 4th quarter, but he is actually a pretty clutch performer in the 4th quarter overall (meaning, more than a 2-3 game sample).

In fact, Boozer averages 34.3 ppg on 56.6% shooting per 48 minutes in clutch situations:
http://www.82games.com/0708/07UTA12E.HTM

By comparison, our own D-Wade averages the same points on 32% shooting in clutch situations. Marion averages just one-third of Boozer's points on 41% shooting in clutch situations. So if you believe Boozer is not clutch, then D-Wade and Shawn marion must be the biggest chokers of all time.

Looking at these numbers shows pretty clearly why Utah won 54 games in a very tough conference, while the Heat won just 15 in an easy conference. Lots of close games -- Utah won them, we lost them.

I know what you'll say -- "stop looking at stats" -- but stats are really the only objective way we have to measure whether someone's good at something. Like is Shaq a good or bad FT shooter? How would we find that out? By asserting personal opinion based on a couple games we watched? Or by looking at his FT percentage over a large sample period?

In regards to Boozer's defense, Boozer gives up about the same PER at PF that Haslem does. So is Haslem also a bad defender? And Boozer gives up far less PER at PF than Marion does, so if Boozer's a bad defender at PF, Marion's downright awful. I know, I know ... let's stop talking stats because they contradict your personal opinion. But the opinion of many is that Boozer's a decent defender against players his size and is well-coached in a rigid defensive system, and the stats bear that opinion out rather tan contradicting it.

Bottom line is, if Riley's interest in Boozer is true, he knows what he's doing. This is the same guy who landed Zo in the post and Shaq in the post. So I trust his judgment more than, say, Isaiah Thomas (Eddie Curry, Zach Randolph) or a random message board poster. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[heat4life]

^^^^
I am reading your post and all I can hear is someone replying

"Boozer is no Karl Malone" .... lol

[CaliHeat]

HEATSINCE88, who do you honestly think you are. Your just another message poster just like us but you try really hard with stats, thats the only difference. You can go by stats all day, Ill go by what I see in the game.

Last years draft I may have gottten ahead of myself with some comparisions but its still too early to count both those players out. Im still the same person that said Brandon Roy would be the best player in the draft a few years ago, Im the same guy that said DWade would be one of the best players in the league after his 1st season. I was also high on Luke Walton, Ronny Turiaf, Monte Ellis who have all turned out to be good 2nd round picks. (just a few names off the top of my head)


I could care less what you think of my player evaluations.

Also, where did I say that I want the best PF, I just said Carlos Boozer is not Karl Malone because someone compared him to Malone. Boozer is NOT the player you think he is. His stats dont tell the whole story. Just watch the guy play.

As for your player evaulations, have you ever even made one. All I see from your posts is some type of negative response to other peoples posts. You act like you know what the Heat organiztion want. Your classic buddy.

[mitchco]

HEATSINCE88, who do you honestly think you are. Your just another message poster just like us but you try really hard with stats, thats the only difference. You can go by stats all day, Ill go by what I see in the game.

Last years draft I may have gottten ahead of myself with some comparisions but its still too early to count both those players out. Im still the same person that said Brandon Roy would be the best player in the draft a few years ago, Im the same guy that said DWade would be one of the best players in the league after his 1st season. I was also high on Luke Walton, Ronny Turiaf, Monte Ellis who have all turned out to be good 2nd round picks. (just a few names off the top of my head)


I could care less what you think of my player evaluations.

Also, where did I say that I want the best PF, I just said Carlos Boozer is not Karl Malone because someone compared him to Malone. Boozer is NOT the player you think he is. His stats dont tell the whole story. Just watch the guy play.
As for your player evaulations, have you ever even made one. All I see from your posts is some type of negative response to other peoples posts. You act like you know what the Heat organiztion want. Your classic buddy.

Dude, this is all stemming from me saying that if Boozer is undersized, then so was Malone. That's it. I was only talking about size, not talent.

[heat4life]

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Dude, this is all stemming from me saying that if Boozer is undersized, then so was Malone. That's it. I was only talking about size, not talent.

Dude, Boozer is 6'9 7/10 when he wears his Nikes' about 6'9 2/7 when he wears his KMart Shaq shoes, about 6'8 3/4 when has "chancletas" and 6'7 2/5 when he is wearing socks with toe jam residues on them.

Boozer is no Karl Malone

[HeatGuyInChicago]

HEATSINCE88, who do you honestly think you are. Your just another message poster just like us but you try really hard with stats, thats the only difference. You can go by stats all day, Ill go by what I see in the game.

Last years draft I may have gottten ahead of myself with some comparisions but its still too early to count both those players out. Im still the same person that said Brandon Roy would be the best player in the draft a few years ago, Im the same guy that said DWade would be one of the best players in the league after his 1st season. I was also high on Luke Walton, Ronny Turiaf, Monte Ellis who have all turned out to be good 2nd round picks. (just a few names off the top of my head)


I could care less what you think of my player evaluations.

Also, where did I say that I want the best PF, I just said Carlos Boozer is not Karl Malone because someone compared him to Malone. Boozer is NOT the player you think he is. His stats dont tell the whole story. Just watch the guy play.

As for your player evaulations, have you ever even made one. All I see from your posts is some type of negative response to other peoples posts. You act like you know what the Heat organiztion want. Your classic buddy.

HeatSince88 doesn't need defending but stats are an important part of an analysis of a player. I would take Boozer in a heart beat.

[HeatSince88]

HEATSINCE88, who do you honestly think you are.

Like, honestly?

Well I have a friend who watches Finnish basketball leagues and mails me "tapes" to watch across the Atlantic Ocean. And another friend who goes to Vanderbilt thus giving me an inside track on scouting their players.

Oh wait, that's you. "Honestly."

Your just another message poster just like us but you try really hard with stats, thats the only difference. You can go by stats all day, Ill go by what I see in the game.

Did you "see" something different this year besides Boozer getting 34.3 ppg and shooting 56.6% per 48 minutes of crunchtime ?

Might want to alert 82games.com that their stats are wrong! CaliHeat saw things differently. LOL.

Last years draft I may have gottten ahead of myself with some comparisions but its still too early to count both those players out.

It's too early to say Derrick Byars is not Caron Butler? Didn't he just get cut from a German-league team after averaging 3 ppg? LOL.

Im still the same person that said Brandon Roy would be the best player in the draft a few years ago, Im the same guy that said DWade would be one of the best players in the league after his 1st season.

Everybody said those same things.

I was also high on Luke Walton, Ronny Turiaf, Monte Ellis who have all turned out to be good 2nd round picks. (just a few names off the top of my head)

You're high on all 60 players drafted. Then when a few turn out alright, you think you're a genius.

I could care less what you think of my player evaluations.

That actually means that you do care.

What you probably meant was "I couldn't care less" ...

Boozer is NOT the player you think he is. His stats dont tell the whole story. Just watch the guy play.

Yeah, he's an all-star PF who plays well in the post, under the boards, and facing up at the elbow. I've watched him 200 times. He is precisely who I think he is ... and he would undoubtedly be our second best player right now and add an element of post play that we sorely lack.

But he's no Karl Malone, so ...

As for your player evaulations, have you ever even made one. All I see from your posts is some type of negative response to other peoples posts.

Here's my evaluation:

Carlos Boozer is a very good PF.

How did you miss that? Too busy watching "tapes" of Finnish teenagers playing basketball? LOL.

[CaliHeat]

I was waiting for your word for word complete breakdown.

Now every Miami Heat forum poster (most notably Lame) start laughing.

Good job. Keep representing the message boards man. Your an message board expert and should graduate to moderator.

[CaliHeat]

Thats what I ment. You tried though.

I dont edit posts constantly, like you.

[HeatSince88]

Now every Miami Heat forum poster (most notably Lame) start laughing.

I just had to capture this before you edited it.

[heat4life]

Lane is definitely no Karl Malone...


edit: Fixed.. I messed up really. No pun intended...

[unowen85]

The Peteri Keponen/ Finnish Tapes thing was funny for a while, but I think it's time to let it go and not bring it up anymore.