DRAFT DAY TALK!

Post #21 » by **LEIF** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:58 pm

if Rose fell to us I think we could look to deal more then ever....I wonder what Rose could fetch in return?

Mourning_Heat_33 · Post #22 » by **Mourning_Heat_33** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:03 pm

Geez anyone read this Andy Katz article on ESPN?

"When he finally hears his name called, Beasley said he'll be relieved and might cry."

"'Mayo said he'd love to be "the butler to D-Wade's Batman and Shawn Marion's Robin.'"

""It wouldn't matter either way," said Rose about going No. 2.
That's a departure from when he said last Thursday in Chicago, that he would be disappointed if he didn't go to his hometown Bulls. ""

"Bayless said: "Hopefully they liked me enough to find a way to get me.""

link http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008 ... id=3460901

heatfan1525 · Post #23 » by **heatfan1525** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:06 pm

Mourning_Heat_33 wrote:Geez anyone read this Andy Katz article on ESPN?

"When he finally hears his name called, Beasley said he'll be relieved and might cry."

"'Mayo said he'd love to be "the butler to D-Wade's Batman and Shawn Marion's Robin.'"

""It wouldn't matter either way," said Rose about going No. 2.
That's a departure from when he said last Thursday in Chicago, that he would be disappointed if he didn't go to his hometown Bulls. ""

"Bayless said: "Hopefully they liked me enough to find a way to get me.""

link http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008 ... id=3460901

I will be too if its to the heat of-course.

Mourning_Heat_33 · Post #24 » by **Mourning_Heat_33** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:16 pm

To Clippers
-#5 pick
-Marion
-Cook
-Miami 2nd round pick
-LOSE: #7 pick, Brand

To Grizzlies
-Beasley
-Blount
Lose: #5 pick(Bayless), Miller, Collins

To Heat
-Bayless
-Miller
-Collins
-Brand
Lose: Marion, #2(Beasley), Cook, Blount, 2nd rounder

Heat resigns Alonzo Mourning, uses the MLE on Duhon and trades Wright and Banks for Pietrus (S&T)

Rotation
Bayless 24 mins 10 pts, 3 ast
Duhon 22 mins, 8 pts, 3 ast
Wade 38 mins, 26 pts, 8 ast
Miller 30 mins, 16 pts, 4 ast
Pietrus 26 mins, 8 pts, 4 rbs
Haslem 30 mins, 8 pts, 10 rbs
Brand 35 mins, 18 pts, 9 rbs
Collins 18 mins, 4 pts, 4 rbs
Mourning 13 mins, 4 pts, 2 blocks

SJ2100 · Post #25 » by **SJ2100** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:19 pm

Ira confirms that teams, including the Clippers, have called about Marion:

A source familiar with the situation said Wednesday night that the Heat already has received overtures from the Raptors, Pacers, Clippers and several other teams regarding Marion, who is seeking the type of lucrative extension Heat President Pat Riley appears reluctant to consider.

I think the Clippers have already offered Brand for Marion+ #2 and that we have countered by offering Blount and Banks in place of Marion. They will probably couter that by including their pick in their original proposal, but hopefully Riles will hold out.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-flspheatnote26sbjun26,0,2732107.story

Post #26 » by **Lane1974** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:22 pm

Brand for Marion + 2 is very steep
Brand + 7 for Marion + 2 is doable

miamiballer · Post #27 » by **miamiballer** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:23 pm

i think we will take beasley

the key is what minny does..if minny takes mayo, we keep beasley

if minny takes love, uh oh

then riley trades beasley and blount to sea for wilcox and mayo ugh

heres to hoping mia takes beasley and minn takes mayo so riley cant get cute

Post #28 » by **Lane1974** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:24 pm

seems the Pacers and Raptors was probably before the Jermaine trade... not sure what Indy or Toronto has that we'd want? They were each probably offering Jermaine and TJ Ford to us

MiaFLSurf · Post #29 » by **MiaFLSurf** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:31 pm

The closer and closer it gets, the more and more nervous Im getting.

We wont just take Beasley and call it a night. Riley is DYING to unclog the lockjam of a Marion/Haslem/Beasley to play the 3 and 4.

Much like all of you, Id love to trade Marion out of that group to get a solid PG, or a draft pick to get a PG (or Center).

Call me crazy, but Id even trade Marion (and Blount if possible) to get a low lotetery or mid first round pick to nab Roy Hibbert (I actually think he can be a servicable center) or a DJ Augestine (since Indy wont draft him) type of player.

By the way - hi everyone, its great to be back. I just got back from 2 months in Africa working in a hospital in Botswana. Lane, I saw you PMed me, I tried to reply but the site is telling me Im not allowed to reply to PMs? What gives?

HeatSince88 · Post #30 » by **HeatSince88** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:36 pm

MiaFLSurf wrote:Call me crazy, but Id even trade Marion (and Blount if possible) to get a low lotetery or mid first round pick to nab Roy Hibbert (I actually think he can be a servicable center) or a DJ Augestine (since Indy wont draft him) type of player.

OK, you're crazy!

Post #31 » by **heat4life** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:36 pm

Lane has a crush on your pickle

SJ2100 · Post #32 » by **SJ2100** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:37 pm

Lane1974 wrote: Brand for Marion + 2 is very steep
Brand + 7 for Marion + 2 is doable

Oh I agree, I'm just hypothesizing on what the Clippers have already offered and how negotiations may be proceding. If it's me, I'm keeping Marion out of this deal as he is a lot more valuable to us as a 3rd piece along with Wade-Brand than a young rookie would be, considering we want to win now. I would try to make them take back Blount and Banks at all costs, possibly throwing in Cook as well. I could see us possibly throwing Haslem into the discussion, making it Blount+Haslem+#2 for Brand+7, but I wouldn't do that deal without getting back their pick and would try like hell to dump Banks for Knight as well.

All in all, I really hope we can find a way to get Brand while keeping Marion and Haslem. If we figure out a way to get back their pick as well, we gotta get Bayless as we would desparately need a shooter to space the floor for a Wade-Marion-Brand trio.

heatfan1525 · Post #33 » by **heatfan1525** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:41 pm

MiaFLSurf wrote:The closer and closer it gets, the more and more nervous Im getting.

We wont just take Beasley and call it a night. Riley is DYING to unclog the lockjam of a Marion/Haslem/Beasley to play the 3 and 4.

Much like all of you, Id love to trade Marion out of that group to get a solid PG, or a draft pick to get a PG (or Center).

Call me crazy, but Id even trade Marion (and Blount if possible) to get a low lotetery or mid first round pick to nab Roy Hibbert (I actually think he can be a servicable center) or a DJ Augestine (since Indy wont draft him) type of player.

By the way - hi everyone, its great to be back. I just got back from 2 months in Africa working in a hospital in Botswana. Lane, I saw you PMed me, I tried to reply but the site is telling me Im not allowed to reply to PMs? What gives?

Hey Scotty, its Matthew and its good to hear your doing well. No doubt Riley wants to put a stamp on this draft with a big move it's just that it might not be the one we are hoping for :/.

miamiballer · Post #34 » by **miamiballer** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:46 pm

what about haslem, blount # 2 for mayo would you be happy?

heatfan1525 · Post #35 » by **heatfan1525** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:49 pm

miamiballer wrote:what about haslem, blount # 2 for mayo would you be happy?

So uhhhh then we have no center or PF. A gift has fallen into our laps but we are oblivious to it(according to the reports).

MiaFLSurf · Post #36 » by **MiaFLSurf** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:50 pm

Hey Matty-

Hope youre doing well too. Im sure I will see you and the rest of the fam while Im down here. Im actually down for 2 months as Im doing a a rotation at Jackson to see if I like the program enough here to do residency here.

Riley is going to make a move tonight. For sure he is. Its just what he wants to make a move doing. I think, that in a perfect world, hed find a way to keep Beasley and then trade Haslem or Marion to get a PG/C or a pick to draft one.

I just dont see that happening. I think thats why he worked out Mayo and Bayless. He knows - in order to get Blount/Banks off the books and to get himself a good PG and/or PF/C, hes going to have to deal the 2nd pick.

Im all for dealing Beasley in all honesty if we get Brand/Bayless. I really think Bayless can fall to the Clippers at 7. I would, however, want to keep Marion in that sitatuon and move him to the 3 - start Bayless, Wade, Marion, Brand, Smoke-A-Fat Blount (or some bull C FA like Diop).

But I see Riley having to deal Marion too to get Brand. Thats a lateral move at best, esp. trading Beasley.

SA37 · Post #37 » by **SA37** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:51 pm

Lane1974 wrote:Brand for Marion + 2 is very steep
Brand + 7 for Marion + 2 is doable

I'll pass on both.

SJ2100 · Post #38 » by **SJ2100** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:53 pm

One last thing - if we do, in fact, end up trading Marion + 2 for Brand + 7, then I would really hope we find a way to deal Haslem in a separate deal for Mike Miller and possibly Lowry. I think that Miller is another really good fit on a team with Wade and Brand, and would be able to space the floor really nicely for us.

Bayless/LLE/Banks
Wade
Miller/Wright
Brand/vet. min
Zo/MLE

HeatSince88 · Post #39 » by **HeatSince88** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:53 pm

miamiballer wrote:what about haslem, blount # 2 for mayo would you be happy?

WTF?

Beasley + Haslem + Blount for Mayo?

Am I reading that correctly?

tessai · Post #40 » by **tessai** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:55 pm

I still think #2/Marion for #7/Brand still favors the Clips, as the #7 pick is probably not going to be anything that great. I don't know if this would work salary-wise, but if Riles wants Brand so badly I would want to expand it to

#2/Marion/Blount
for
#7/Brand/Maggette

I'd be ok with that.