Wow, Ira has finally come to his senses

[Heat3]

if im not mistaken, grant's first year with us was his first time playing C as well...
didn't he start for us at center and anthony mason at PF that year?
with grant avg 13-14 pts and 9 rebs with mason avg 15-17 pts with 8 rebs?
that was the first year i watched every single heat game, but im not 100% sure...
damn thinking about it that is a long time ago... i still remember when EJ was our highest scorer

Yes, that was his first year and he played center while Mason played PF. Miami was 50-32 that year. Zo came back at the end and screwed up our chemistry.

[Hoops23]

I agree to some that Kwame is the right free agent addition but how? Kawame will not sign for the LLE and it will take a S & T to have him.

Going back to the original topic about Marion. I also believe he is the right fit for Beasley because he complement the rookie. But I'm not against trading him if for the right deal but the problem is, I've seen a lot of a unreasonable trade for him on different board; might as well keep him.

Wasn't the last time Brian Grant started also the last time we were one of the worst teams in the NBA?

Grant start playing center for the Heat when Zo was diagnose with Kidney disorder. The moment Grant wear a Heat uniform, he already started playing center because of Zo's absence. Miami that year was not one of the worst team in the NBA because they won 50 wins, the 1st time Mason became an all-star. That team is the over rated Heat team ever, IMO. . . Grant-Mason-Bowen-Jones-Timmy

[CoolD]

if im not mistaken, grant's first year with us was his first time playing C as well...
didn't he start for us at center and anthony mason at PF that year?
with grant avg 13-14 pts and 9 rebs with mason avg 15-17 pts with 8 rebs?
that was the first year i watched every single heat game, but im not 100% sure...
damn thinking about it that is a long time ago... i still remember when EJ was our highest scorer

Yes, that was his first year and he played center while Mason played PF. Miami was 50-32 that year. Zo came back at the end and screwed up our chemistry.

This probably inspired me.

Lets not make a trade, till midseason.

We play undersize, by then will have an idea if Marion wants to stay or go. We see how the players play small ball. But their is going to be a team, that wants to make that special trade, we might get the best value by midseason, right around the deadline.

[DayofMourning]

I remember when Grant was playing his first few games as a Heat and he erupted for something like 30 plus points and 15 rebounds. Everyone was as high as a kite.

He still put up strong numbers that season, but the all star status never became his.

I still think about how good that team would have been with Zo. It would have been a very strong team.

[Riled Up]

Grant was a very good PF before injuries started to slow him down, he was very aggressive. My earlier point was only that he was undersized for the Center position. Let's not play another PF at C and Haslem is not even as big as Grant. Haslem should be a good player off the bench for us. like Eduardo Najera, Amir Johnson, Carl Landry, Leon Powe, etc.

[BlaZeN27]

Haslem is 6'7 with short arms, Hes not really comparable to Grant, IMO.


Plus, I don't see Haslem wanting to come off the bench.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

Haslem can MAYBE play Center next to Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett....imagine next to Beasley, thats a mediocre team with two 6-8 guys as your big men.

[CoolD]

Am sure a Beasley Haslem would be undersized. But if we somehow don't get rid of Blount. Am all for Joel Anthony, Haslem getting center minutes.

We would have to play a style that is faster, a Golden State light.

Things that might be good of not trading anyone right now.

In the long run, you need depth to win in the Playoffs.

Lets say we trade Haslem or Marion for peanuts, we could really hurt the long term development of the team.

If Marion shows he is not willing to take a bit less money, than what he wants right now, yes, lets trade him. Or if we get Omeka Okafor trade, not some wack trade like Biedrins or something along those lines.

Am all for keeping our pieces till better trade scenarios come up. Or Marion resigns, next year we draft a young big, somehow Blount is out the picture, We could start looking like a complete team, with real depth, to start playing for the big prize, not a middle of the pack team with holes, and lack of depth.

[Heat3]

We will run more which will take advantage of our smaller size vs opponents. also, lets be real. there are crap centers in this league already. it's not like we'll be up against Ewing and D Robinson every night. In his era of the NBA, Haslem can fill in at center (he was already doing it last year)

[FanaticFan101]

We will run more which will take advantage of our smaller size vs opponents. also, lets be real. there are crap centers in this league already. it's not like we'll be up against Ewing and D Robinson every night. In his era of the NBA, Haslem can fill in at center (he was already doing it last year)

Yea Haslem played center rarely last year not full time. And Haslem is a 6 '8 with noticably short arms.

Its a PF league and Haslem still has trouble guarding those taller power forwards.
An undersized Haslem and Beasly will get you exposed come playoff time. Remember Phonex and Golden State. It will only take you so far.

[Wade-GOAT]

Can't believe people are actually open to giving Haslem the starting job at C. Unless the plan is to tank away another year I think its a bad idea. I'd rather give Joel Anthony the starting nod before Haslem because we need height and length at that position to defend the basket. Haslem has neither. Unless we're trying to be Phoenix lite this year and say f*ck defense and just outscore teams. But even then we don't even have enough offense to do that successful anyway.

[Heat11114]

Haslem's wingspan is actually 6'11" fwiw.

[Heat3]

We will run more which will take advantage of our smaller size vs opponents. also, lets be real. there are crap centers in this league already. it's not like we'll be up against Ewing and D Robinson every night. In his era of the NBA, Haslem can fill in at center (he was already doing it last year)

Yea Haslem played center rarely last year not full time. And Haslem is a 6 '8 with noticably short arms.

Its a PF league and Haslem still has trouble guarding those taller power forwards.
An undersized Haslem and Beasly will get you exposed come playoff time. Remember Phonex and Golden State. It will only take you so far.

Haslem's job on Dirk is all I need to know that he is up to the task (with one arm no less). Anyway...who is talking about playoff time? We aren't contending for anything this year. Going 41-41 is wishful thinking at this point, much less playoffs. This would be a one year experiment until we can get a real center. Putting Kwame at center doesn't win us anymore games than Haslem IMO.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

Ira is becoming like Chad Ford..

[FanaticFan101]

Haslem's job on Dirk is all I need to know that he is up to the task (with one arm no less). Anyway...who is talking about playoff time? We aren't contending for anything this year. Going 41-41 is wishful thinking at this point, much less playoffs. This would be a one year experiment until we can get a real center. Putting Kwame at center doesn't win us anymore games than Haslem IMO.[/quote]


Well we will get exposed in the regular season and in the playoffs.
Yea Haslem did one hell of a job on Dirk that year. But Dirk is like a very tall guard so Haslem just took advantage of him. I'm just saying guys like Garnett and Duncan just really takes advantage
of him when its one on one. And we all know how Jermaine Oneal owns Haslem. OOh!!! I been seeing that for years. He only plays good on Haslem because he is so much longer then him. We need a good defensive Center from somewhere. And no i don't think we should trade Haslem.

[GameTime_3]

Ira is becoming like Chad Ford..

Never call anybody that! The problem with ira is that he is bored.What else can he report or comeup with that will have us talking? How about that Kasib Powell, he looks like a keeper lol

[Heat3]

Well we will get exposed in the regular season and in the playoffs.
Yea Haslem did one hell of a job on Dirk that year. But Dirk is like a very tall guard so Haslem just took advantage of him. I'm just saying guys like Garnett and Duncan just really takes advantage
of him when its one on one. And we all know how Jermaine Oneal owns Haslem. OOh!!! I been seeing that for years. He only plays good on Haslem because he is so much longer then him. We need a good defensive Center from somewhere. And no i don't think we should trade Haslem.

We might not even make the playoffs...and will probably get exposed with Kwame at center anyway lol. Duncan and Garnett abuse everyone they play against. From my POV having Haslem at C doesn't change the outcome for the negative in most regards.

haha, come to think of it I think I saw Marion playing center for a few minutes last season