Wade will Welcome Reunion with Odom

[RIPskaterdude]

Sounds good but why the 2nd round pick? I think 2 starters to get 2 starters back should be enough without the pick. Not that I really care if it makes or breaks the deal. Just curious.

Most people on the trade board felt that since LA was taking the only real bad contract back, they should get a small pick (2nd round) in the trade. Anyways, from what I heard, seems like all three parties like it, so far.

[Jajwanda]

Strangely enough yes all parties do like it more or less, however in the end L.A. may consider cutting out Sacramento due to Kenny Thomas. While the payment this year would be the same, next year we'd be paying an extra 17m including luxury taxes for him plus Artest's extension. Even if Marion gets 2m more a year than Artest, it would still not be enough to cover that financial difference for a good 4 years.

Artest probably will ask for 11-12m a year, Marion will get the same. If they're even then it's a choice of Artest versus Marion+16m in cash. Marion also is the ideal fit at the SF spot.

[Wade-GOAT]

Am I the only Heat fan who doesn't see how bringing Odom here for Marion is beneficial at all? Somebody break it down for me because the way I see it our spacing immediately goes to sh*t with Odom at the 3.

[SmushedPennies]

For one, Odom and Beasley being tweeners allows them to switch positions on both offense and defense, depending on matchups and what sets we want to run. Odom may not have three-point range, but Beasley sure does. I know Odom is the better defender, but can he defend SFs well?

Second, lets compare Odom at the three to Marion at the three, both arguably out of position.
Odom - Weak three-point shooting, Strong shot-creating ability from the perimeter, Strong ball-handling/facilitating ability particularly for size, Solid mid-range game, Strong rebounding, Questionable defense at SF

Marion - Weak three-point shooting (though slightly better somehow), Weak shot-creating ability from the perimeter, Weak ball-handling though decent facilitating ability, No mid-range game, Strong rebounding, Strong defense

Obviously this doesn't take into account many of Marion's intangibles, but there is almost no question that Odom is better at SF than Marion despite Marion being the better player.

[Wade-GOAT]

I don't agree that Odom has a good mid range game or equal 3 point shooting to Marion (he's horrible from long range imo) so I guess thats why I'm not seeing why there's Heat fans actually willing to give up Marion for Odom.

The Odom I know at the three has an undependable outside shot, horrible 3 point shooting, good ball handling for his size, good rebounding, less free throw shooting accuracy than Marion, not as strong of a finisher, pretty good post defense but not as good perimeter D as Marion.

If Odom is our best option to trade Marion for I much rather just keep Marion and just let him expire. Odom probably has an interest in returning to Miami and if its that crucial to Pat and Wade we can just sign him for cheaper next off season.

[BadMofoPimp]

Marion is better than Odom at this point. There is no way to do a trade for Odom unless there is more involved for the Heat. And, I was a huge Odom fan when he was a Heat player.

[richboy]

If I'm the Lakers I rather just go Odom for Marion. Marion can be almost as good a defender at SF as Artest. He provides much more rebounding and can slide over to PF if Bynum or anyone is injured.

If I'm the Heat I rather have Marion than Artest or Odom. He can defend SF at an elite level. He can also play PF. Plus Odom needs more plays run for him in comparison to Marion.

Odom and Beasley may be too similar. They both may be best at PF. Could Odom play some center. He does have the length and in the East its possible. Wade, Chalmers, Jones, Beasley, Odom. That unit could run like the wind.

The trade that makes the Heat the best team I think is Marion/Haslem for Artest/Miller/Thomas. If that deal was to go down I would say the Heat could win the division and challenge the Celtics.

[richboy]

For one, Odom and Beasley being tweeners allows them to switch positions on both offense and defense, depending on matchups and what sets we want to run. Odom may not have three-point range, but Beasley sure does. I know Odom is the better defender, but can he defend SFs well?

Second, lets compare Odom at the three to Marion at the three, both arguably out of position.
Odom - Weak three-point shooting, Strong shot-creating ability from the perimeter, Strong ball-handling/facilitating ability particularly for size, Solid mid-range game, Strong rebounding, Questionable defense at SF

Marion - Weak three-point shooting (though slightly better somehow), Weak shot-creating ability from the perimeter, Weak ball-handling though decent facilitating ability, No mid-range game, Strong rebounding, Strong defense

Obviously this doesn't take into account many of Marion's intangibles, but there is almost no question that Odom is better at SF than Marion despite Marion being the better player.

Defense a lone makes Marion the better SF. Marion is one of the best perimeter players in the game. Odom can't guard Pierce, Lebron types at all. Beasley can't do it either. Marion should make the Heat a much better defensive team on the perimeter. He can guard the best perimeter scorer on most teams.

[BBallFreak]

If I'm the Lakers I rather just go Odom for Marion. Marion can be almost as good a defender at SF as Artest. He provides much more rebounding and can slide over to PF if Bynum or anyone is injured.

If I'm the Heat I rather have Marion than Artest or Odom. He can defend SF at an elite level. He can also play PF. Plus Odom needs more plays run for him in comparison to Marion.

Odom and Beasley may be too similar. They both may be best at PF. Could Odom play some center. He does have the length and in the East its possible. Wade, Chalmers, Jones, Beasley, Odom. That unit could run like the wind.

The trade that makes the Heat the best team I think is Marion/Haslem for Artest/Miller/Thomas. If that deal was to go down I would say the Heat could win the division and challenge the Celtics.

Perfectly put. I agree with everything you've said, including the trade:

Pg: Banks / Chalmers
Sg: Wade / Cook
Sf: Artest / Jones
Pf: Beasley / Thomas
Cc: Miller / Blount / Mourning

[CoolD]

Brad Miller is a bit old, but the guys is descent Center.

I like this trade

Chalmers, Wade, Odom, Beasley, Brad Miller
Banks, Cook, James Jones, Haslem, Joel Anthony

The thing about this trade we have three good players of the bench in Banks, Haslem, James Jones.

With two potential guys, in Cook and Joel Anthony.

Seems like a complete team if everything goes right.

Really like this trade.

[CoolD]

Am I the only Heat fan who doesn't see how bringing Odom here for Marion is beneficial at all? Somebody break it down for me because the way I see it our spacing immediately goes to sh*t with Odom at the 3.

Beasley is not your prototypical PF, so this will not be an issue I think.
And for certain lineups, we have James Jones, when we either play Odom or Beasley at PF.

I really like this trade.

[heat4life]

I don't think anyone wants to get rid of Marion for just Odom. That makes no sense but if we can turn Marion into Odom AND Brad Miller, a Center who fills a huge need for the next two years, it is a no brainer.