Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

[gom]

Some of those guys will be available on the buyout market.

I'd trade Okpala for a 2nd in the draft (one we need to replace the one the NBA stole from us) and sign a big in the buyout market. I am also happy signing Meyers Leonard again to finish out the season. He'd be great off the bench. Like most here, I think we're ready to see Bam in the 4 role sometimes, and we have centers this season.

Also, Bam played power forward often at Kentucky. In my estimation, position in the NBA is more about who you defend and knowing your roles. I think (like Lebron, Jimmy, and a few skilled others) Bam can play any position, but he is mostly a point forward who plays center on Miami.

[greg4012]

As for realistic trade targets to shore up the 4 spot with the assets we have and staying under the tax line keeping in mind our most likely offer involves some combination of Robinson 15.6 (2025) and KZ 1.7 (expiring)

PF Thaddeus Young 14.2 (expiring)
PF Marcus Morris Sr 15.6 (2024)
PF Davis Bertans 16 mil (2025)
PF Lauri Markannen 15.7 mil (6 mil partial 2024 or 2025)
C/PF Christian Wood 13.7 (2023)
PF Robert Covington 12.9 (expiring)
C/PF Kelly Olynyk 12.2 (2023 3 mil partial or 2024)
PF Marvin Bagley 11.7 (2022 RFA)
PF Larry Nance Jr 10.7 (2023)

Good stuff--I really don't want us to go after any of these guys that can't move their feet on the perimeter (Bertans, Kelly O). I also think that Bagley is not mature enough to contribute to a contender in a playoff setting today.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Some of those guys will be available on the buyout market.

I only have Young as a potential buyout. Blazers can find a trade for Covington. No guarantee Young wants to sign here either even if bought out. Might end up back in Chicago

[MettaWorldPanda]

Does it even matter if Bam is a top 5 defensive C or a top 2 one and if he's better overall then Gobert or not?

He's our guy, he's probably an Heat lifer. He's playing great. Let's hope he continues to improve in the next couple of years.

The real question isn't about Bam - it's about who besides 36YO PJ Tucker can we play next to Bam without relaying on 200 pounds SFs like K.Martin?

Honestly feels like we are playing Russian Roulette at the 4 spot right now. Tucker is everything and then some but what if heaven forbid some thing happens to Tucker? Are you going to rely on a 6'5 200 pound SF to continue to play out of his mind banging on the regular down low at the 4 spot? Sure we could have Markieff around the corner but he seems like he's one more bad hit into retirement after basically losing 3 months of the season. He would probably be better served sitting the bench in a 3rd string emergency role at this point if he ever gets back. Our main focus right now should be shoring up the 4 spot not lusting over pie in the sky scenarios for another guard.

Robert Covington
Larry Nance
Christian Wood
PJ Washington

I'm hoping one of these can be attainable in some way

PJ Washington would be stellar but he only makes 5.8 million and Hornets will probably want better then what we can offer. I do see him as a future Heat player though just not this year.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

All this Beal talk....man, I've got to change my avatar, lol.

Change it to Mitchell

[AirP.]

There's a shoutout to Strus, Yurtseven, Martin and Bam near the end of the podcast in the 2022 BIG Surprise segment.

Read on Twitter

[jele]

If Bam was playing for another team, would he be a center or power forward? I think it is more about matchups. Can Bam defend 7 footers like Embiid or Jokic? I get that he can defend all 5 positions but he cannot defend all 5 positions at the same time. So if he is on a small forward or point guard, the other teams big is probably being defended by a one of our point guards.

[DayofMourning]

All this Beal talk....man, I've got to change my avatar, lol.

Change it to Mitchell

Tried to change it to Caleb last night. I cannot get my phone to replace the image though. Will have to dust off the ole laptop in a bit and fix it up.

[insfo]

All this Beal talk....man, I've got to change my avatar, lol.

Change it to Mitchell

Tried to change it to Caleb last night. I cannot get my phone to replace the image though. Will have to dust off the ole laptop in a bit and fix it up.

Please leave any changes to your screen name, avatar etc until you finish your current DoMoP streak!!!

[DayofMourning]

Change it to Mitchell

Tried to change it to Caleb last night. I cannot get my phone to replace the image though. Will have to dust off the ole laptop in a bit and fix it up.

Please leave any changes to your screen name, avatar etc until you finish your current DoMoP streak!!!

If the public demands it, then it will be so.

May the avatar never change;)

[MettaWorldPanda]

Honestly feels like we are playing Russian Roulette at the 4 spot right now. Tucker is everything and then some but what if heaven forbid some thing happens to Tucker? Are you going to rely on a 6'5 200 pound SF to continue to play out of his mind banging on the regular down low at the 4 spot? Sure we could have Markieff around the corner but he seems like he's one more bad hit into retirement after basically losing 3 months of the season. He would probably be better served sitting the bench in a 3rd string emergency role at this point if he ever gets back. Our main focus right now should be shoring up the 4 spot not lusting over pie in the sky scenarios for another guard.

Robert Covington
Larry Nance
Christian Wood
PJ Washington

I'm hoping one of these can be attainable in some way

Actually, Covington would be a pretty solid get, and Portland ought to be trying to get under the tax. Covington is already past his prime and likely looking for a way out to a contender.

https://ripcityproject.com/2022/01/18/portland-trail-blazers-need-commit-tank-playoff-push/

I can't see a trade working for him, so he would need to be bought out and then there's no telling where he would go, but my guess is the Lakers, Bucks, or Nets. Because.

I feel like Duncan Robinson would be a good fit on Portland in the SF spot. Robert Covington coming in and giving us a backup PF who can shoot the 3 and play good defense also seems ideal for us. We also get out from Duncan's long term deal giving us maximum flexibility to keep others without paying an over inflated tax penalty. If we say deal Duncan and KZ for Covington, Snell, and another toss in player McLemore or Zeller that puts us at 24k below the tax and gets Portland 2.6 million away from the tax. Portland could then find a team to take on Zeller or Little with Brown to get under the tax. On our end we would need to find a third team, release, or buyout one of Snell or McLemore in order to sign Martin.

C Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven C/PF UD
PF PJ Tucker PF Robert Covington PF Markieff Morris
SF Jimmy Butler SF Caleb Martin SF Tony Snell or SG Ben McLemore
SG Max Strus SG Tyler Herro SG/PG Victor Oladipo
PG Kyle Lowry PG Gabe Vincent

PG Kyle Guy (2way)
2 way player slot open once Martin signed.

[AirP.]

I was just wondering about some standing reach numbers of some Centers and Power Forwards(they may have grown some since the combines). I don't believe Bam is too small for center I just think he ends up on the parameter too much which to me means Miami needs a PF with a great standing reach to help rebound rebound, here's some numbers I found.

Dedmon 9′ 1”
Yurtseven 9’0.5
Bam 9′ 0”
KZ 8′ 10.5”
J.Butler 8’5.5”
C.Martin 8'5.5''
T.Herro 8′ 4.5”
Oladipo 8′ 4.5”
PJ Tucker 8'3.5"
K.Guy 7′11.5”

Here's some C and PFs to compare with.

Spoiler:

B.Ingram 9′ 1.5''
J.Allen 9′ 1.5”
OG Anunoby 8′ 11.5”
PJ Washington 8′ 11”
T. Bryant 9′ 4.5”
J.Collins 8′ 10.5”
Chris Boucher 9′ 2.5”
DJ Wilson 9′ 1.5”
Mo Bamba 9′ 7.5”
J.Jackson Jr. 9′ 2”
M. Porter 9′ 0.5”
Darius Bazley 8'11''
Daniel Gafford 9′ 2”
Pascal Siakam 8′ 11.5”
D.Booker 8′ 6.5”
K.Looney 9′ 2”
T.Lyles 9′ 0”
L.Nance 9′ 0”
R.Covington 8′ 10”
M.Turner 9′ 4”
C.Wood 9′ 3.5”
K.Anderson 8′ 11.50”
Jerami Grant 8'11''
S.Adams 9′ 1.5”
G.Dieng 9′ 3.5”
Gobert 9′ 7”
M.Muscala 9′ 0”
O.Porter 8′ 9.5”
K.Faried 9’0”
Vucivic 9’4.5”
Winslow 8’8.5”
Iguodola 8’9.5”
J.Crowder 8’3"

https://www.nbadraft.net/2013-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2014-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2015-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2016-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2017-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2018-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2020-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2021-nba-draft-combine-measurements/

[MettaWorldPanda]

I was just wondering about some standing reach numbers of some Centers and Power Forwards(they may have grown some since the combines). I don't believe Bam is too small for center I just think he ends up on the parameter too much which to me means Miami needs a PF with a great standing reach to help rebound rebound, here's some numbers I found.

Dedmon 9′ 1”
Yurtseven 9’0.5
Bam 9′ 0”
KZ 8′ 10.5”
J.Butler 8’5.5”
C.Martin 8'5.5''
T.Herro 8′ 4.5”
Oladipo 8′ 4.5”
PJ Tucker 8'3.5"
K.Guy 7′11.5”

Here's some C and PFs to compare with.

Spoiler:

B.Ingram 9′ 1.5''
J.Allen 9′ 1.5”
OG Anunoby 8′ 11.5”
PJ Washington 8′ 11”
T. Bryant 9′ 4.5”
J.Collins 8′ 10.5”
Chris Boucher 9′ 2.5”
DJ Wilson 9′ 1.5”
Mo Bamba 9′ 7.5”
J.Jackson Jr. 9′ 2”
M. Porter 9′ 0.5”
Darius Bazley 8'11''
Daniel Gafford 9′ 2”
Pascal Siakam 8′ 11.5”
D.Booker 8′ 6.5”
K.Looney 9′ 2”
T.Lyles 9′ 0”
L.Nance 9′ 0”
R.Covington 8′ 10”
M.Turner 9′ 4”
C.Wood 9′ 3.5”
K.Anderson 8′ 11.50”
Jerami Grant 8'11''
S.Adams 9′ 1.5”
G.Dieng 9′ 3.5”
Gobert 9′ 7”
M.Muscala 9′ 0”
O.Porter 8′ 9.5”
K.Faried 9’0”
Vucivic 9’4.5”
Winslow 8’8.5”
Iguodola 8’9.5”
J.Crowder 8’3"

https://www.nbadraft.net/2013-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2014-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2015-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2016-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2017-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2018-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2020-nba-draft-combine-measurements/
https://www.nbadraft.net/2021-nba-draft-combine-measurements/

I'm in the camp that Bam is not too small to play Center as long as he's protected by a PF who can bang down low to protect the paint when he's roaming the perimeter but the kicker is that PF needs to be able to shoot. PJ and his wide frame has no problem banging down low. We get exposed when we go super small with Bam on the floor at the PF spot. We had no issues with Yurtseven down low going super small cause he stays glued down low hunting rebounds. Markieff Morris made for a good pairing with Bam cause his 6'9 250 frame allows him to bang down low but he could also hit an outside shot. Bringing in Robert Covington would also make a solid pairing with Bam as he's not shy to bang down low and has a 7'2 wingspan. We all know that RoCO can also hit the 3 with consistency.

[DayofMourning]

Once healthy, we've got pretty much everything we need on the roster already. Yurt and Morris are plenty of size and they aren't even playing. If we need size, we've got it.

[AirP.]

Once healthy, we've got pretty much everything we need on the roster already. Yurt and Morris are plenty of size and they aren't even playing. If we need size, we've got it.

I'm not quite sure Morris is going to be back. He's replied back to people on social media over a month ago about coming back soon and then the COVID thing and now ramping up. It feels a lot like the Bradley situation last year should be back but isn't then gets moved and instantly starts playing for the new team.

[rate_]

[JLop]

Spoiler:

Kia Rookie Ladder: Evan Mobley holds No. 1 spot as season enter 2nd half

1. Evan Mobley, Cleveland Cavaliers

Season stats: 14.9 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 2.6 apg
Since last Ladder: 15.5 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 3.0 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 1
Draft pick: No. 3 overall

2. Cade Cunningham, Detroit Pistons

Season stats: 15.7 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg
Since last Ladder: 15.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 4.0 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 2
Draft pick: No. 1 overall

3. Scottie Barnes, Toronto Raptors

Season stats: 14.5 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.5 apg
Since last Ladder: 12.0 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 4.0 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 3
Draft pick: No. 4 overall

4. Franz Wagner, Orlando Magic

Season stats: 15.5 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.8 apg
Since last Ladder: 13.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 5.5 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 4
Draft pick: No. 8 overall

5. Josh Giddey, Oklahoma City Thunder

Season stats: 11.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 6.4 apg
Since last Ladder: 14.5 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 5.8 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 5
Draft pick: No. 6 overall

6. Herbert Jones, New Orleans Pelicans

Season stats: 9.1 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg
Since last Ladder: 14.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.8 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 6
Draft pick: No. 35 overall

7. Jalen Green, Houston Rockets

Season stats: 15.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.2 apg
Since last Ladder: 13.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 3.3 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 7
Draft pick: No. 2 overall

8. Omer Yurtseven, Miami Heat

Season stats: 6.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.2 apg
Since last Ladder: 17.3 ppg, 10.7 rpg, 3.7 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 9
Draft pick: Undrafted (2020)

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Proud of yurt. If he got a lot of mins he would be right up towards the top end. Not to mention was undrafted

Spoiler:

Kia Rookie Ladder: Evan Mobley holds No. 1 spot as season enter 2nd half

1. Evan Mobley, Cleveland Cavaliers

Season stats: 14.9 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 2.6 apg
Since last Ladder: 15.5 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 3.0 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 1
Draft pick: No. 3 overall

2. Cade Cunningham, Detroit Pistons

Season stats: 15.7 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg
Since last Ladder: 15.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 4.0 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 2
Draft pick: No. 1 overall

3. Scottie Barnes, Toronto Raptors

Season stats: 14.5 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.5 apg
Since last Ladder: 12.0 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 4.0 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 3
Draft pick: No. 4 overall

4. Franz Wagner, Orlando Magic

Season stats: 15.5 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.8 apg
Since last Ladder: 13.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 5.5 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 4
Draft pick: No. 8 overall

5. Josh Giddey, Oklahoma City Thunder

Season stats: 11.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 6.4 apg
Since last Ladder: 14.5 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 5.8 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 5
Draft pick: No. 6 overall

6. Herbert Jones, New Orleans Pelicans

Season stats: 9.1 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg
Since last Ladder: 14.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.8 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 6
Draft pick: No. 35 overall

7. Jalen Green, Houston Rockets

Season stats: 15.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.2 apg
Since last Ladder: 13.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 3.3 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 7
Draft pick: No. 2 overall

8. Omer Yurtseven, Miami Heat

Season stats: 6.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.2 apg
Since last Ladder: 17.3 ppg, 10.7 rpg, 3.7 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 9
Draft pick: Undrafted (2020)

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Love that recent line by Yurt. He keeps that up for half a season and he's an allstar. Imagine benching a guy playing like an allstar.

A player with a chance at rookie of the year like Omer needs minutes on the floor. If Omer had been a starter at the start of the season, he should be at the top of that list. That's why it's so strange that he's not playing right now. I'll wait after the trade deadline to see if everything changes.

[wadenation305]

TBH, If I'm Morris, I'd straight up Lariat Jokic's head off next time I play against him.




I still find it rather funny how we lost a player for half a season and Jokic only got one game.

BTW phuck Beal. Herro better.

[JLop]

Some of those guys will be available on the buyout market.

I only have Young as a potential buyout. Blazers can find a trade for Covington. No guarantee Young wants to sign here either even if bought out. Might end up back in Chicago

Thaddeus Young at this point in his career is best used as a center for small-ball lineups. I also think Thaddeus Young will be available after negotiating his contract with the Spurs.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Some of those guys will be available on the buyout market.

I only have Young as a potential buyout. Blazers can find a trade for Covington. No guarantee Young wants to sign here either even if bought out. Might end up back in Chicago

Thaddeus Young at this point in his career is best used as a center for small-ball lineups. I also think Thaddeus Young will be available after negotiating his contract with the Spurs.

I like the idea of Robert Covington over Thad Young all things considered.