Miami Heat 22-23 Regular Season Thread 2.0

[MettaWorldPanda]

Idk why everyone says spo is a good coach. That fool got lucky to have three of the arguably top 5 players in the NBA at the time playing for him. Infact if it wasn't for Riley that phuckface wouldn't even be a coach on this team. He not a good coach. He might be a good assistant coach to get the lower guys to perform harder, but not a good head coach. Never has been. Dude never makes an adjustment to save his life, no matter how obvious it is. Infact the more obvious it is the more he digs in his bs.

Were you this vocal when we swept Boston & took LA to 6gm's in the finals hobbled & depleted! Were you this critical last season when we were top of the East in spite of having key players out during reg season, taking a healthy Boston squad to 7gm's & a 3pt shot away from making another NBA finals in 3 seasons!

No such thing as a perfect coach but most will have issues w/ this roster let alone lesser coaches. Spo is highly respected in the league but In typical Miami fandom fashion we're the only one who sh*ts on our own. Grass isn't always greener on the other side. We could end up w/ weeds & have more to whinge about.

Spo is a good coach when he is forced to use the right pieces. Unfortunately the front office did not save Spo from himself and is living out his dream of playing 6'5 and under 4's.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Here’s the difference. Nothing from our role players outside of Herro really

[Rapaz]

Plumpkin’s contract needs to be competitively reconditioned.

[heatwillbeback]

I am upset at the lack of moves over the summer.

The issue is now is that a trade is really really difficult for many reasons:

1. Herro extension poison pill makes him pretty untradeable at this point in time.

2. Team lacks a bevy of firsts. It will take at least a first to dump Lowry or Duncan contracts. The player we want will also require assets, probably a first.

3. Our better assets are the cheaply signed Strus, the declining Gabe, and the injured Yurt. All don’t have the contacts we need to get a helpful player since they are all on minimums. Which makes Lowry or Duncan need to be involved (insert issue 2). Maybe Strus can be a substitute for a first, but Yurt and Gabe will not.

Improving the team will be very difficult.

We are very limited in options except for blowing it up. But I don’t think we are at that point though.

[3ballbomber]

Idk why everyone says spo is a good coach. That fool got lucky to have three of the arguably top 5 players in the NBA at the time playing for him. Infact if it wasn't for Riley that phuckface wouldn't even be a coach on this team. He not a good coach. He might be a good assistant coach to get the lower guys to perform harder, but not a good head coach. Never has been. Dude never makes an adjustment to save his life, no matter how obvious it is. Infact the more obvious it is the more he digs in his bs.

Were you this vocal when we swept Boston & took LA to 6gm's in the finals hobbled & depleted! Were you this critical last season when we were top of the East in spite of having key players out during reg season, taking a healthy Boston squad to 7gm's & a 3pt shot away from making another NBA finals in 3 seasons!

No such thing as a perfect coach but most will have issues w/ this roster let alone lesser coaches. Spo is highly respected in the league but In typical Miami fandom fashion we're the only one who sh*ts on our own. Grass isn't always greener on the other side. We could end up w/ weeds & have more to whinge about.

Spo is a good coach when he is forced to use the right pieces. Unfortunately the front office did not save Spo from himself and is living out his dream of playing 6'5 and under 4's.

FO didn't exactly make it easier for Spo either so coaching staff is doing best it can w/ what the FO has given them. On top of that we continue to have key pieces injured. I guarantee most organisations will either have blown this team up or tanked.

People criticize small ball but we were a gm away frm taking La the distance, in spite of us hobbled/depleted & a shot away from making finals last season again in spite of us hobbled/depleted. It's obviously successful in that sense. To me it's not a coaching issue more than it is we're still missing that final piece. Had we a Beal-type in 2020 we prob bubble champs & last season beat both Celts & Suns for another 'ship. We have been quite successful (better than over half the league) & that's in spite of small ball.

[heatwillbeback]

The question is what is the max player a Duncan and two firsts offer can get you?

I think at max that gets a player like John Collins. Who is a 12/8 guy on a bad contract himself. And I think Atlanta probably still says no. The offer is not an impressive one.

[MettaWorldPanda]

How about giving Chicago a call and seeing if they are interested in reuniting Lowry with DeRozan. Maybe we can get Dragic back in a package. How about something like this

Miami deals

C Omer Yurtseven
PG Kyle Lowry (DeRozan bestie)
SG Max Strus (Chicago guy)
2027 1st round pick

to Bulls for

C Nikola Vucevic
PG Goran Dragic
PG/SG Coby White
Future 2nd rd pick

Why the Bulls do this? The latest on Lonzo Ball is he can barely walk up a flight of stairs these days. Looks like a chronic knee issue. Lowry gives them a vet PG to pair with his bud DeRozan. They both expire at the end of next year as well. Strus gives Chicago a much needed shooter and he gets to play for his hometown team and may even get a long term deal with them. Yurtseven is a throw in but gives the Bulls an added big to give a look when healthy.

Vucevic, Dragic, and White all expire next year giving us huge financial flexibility. Vucevic allows Bam to slide to the 4 spot. White, Dragic, and Vincent compete for the starting PG role. Adding Euros like Vucevic and Dragic would also do wonders bringing Jovic along. Also keeps Butler happy getting his brate Dragic back.

[MettaWorldPanda]

C Nikola Vucevic 6’10 C Nikola Jovic 6’10
PF/C Bam Adebayo 6’9 SF/PF Caleb Martin 6’5
SF Jimmy Butler 6’7 SF Duncan Robinson 6’7
SG Tyler Herro 6’5 SG Victor Oladipo 6’4
PG Coby White 6’5 PG/SG Gabe Vincent 6’3 PG Goran Dragic 6’2

SF/PF Haywood Highsmith
PF UD
C Dewayne Dedmon
1 roster spot open

[3ammy3uck3ts]

34-17-5 from Julius randle tonight, 6-12 from 3

[carnageta]

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Here’s the difference. Nothing from our role players outside of Herro really

Hmmm, it's almost like you can't heavily rely on d-leaguers for consistency.... shocker. lol

[carnageta]

34-17-5 from Julius randle tonight, 6-12 from 3

Randle wouldn't even be attempting three's if Spo got a hold of him. He'd be primarily utilized as a screen setter for our beloved d-league affiliates.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Here’s the difference. Nothing from our role players outside of Herro really

Hmmm, it's almost like you can't heavily rely on d-leaguers for consistency.... shocker. lol

Which is why I’d love to take on a great young talent like Reddish and develop him the right way. If we can turn these scrubs into decent players for a year or 2 imagine what we could do with a 6’8 athletic wing with a 7’1 wingspan who has been a good shooter and elite prospect his entire life

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It would never happen because Kyries an idiot but we could send Lowry and Dedmon for Kyrie. Then turn and trade Duncan Yurt and 2 1sts for Myles Turner and Brissett and we’d be competing for a championship.

Kyrie/Gabe
Herro/Dipo
Jimmy/Strus/Brissett
Bam/Martin/Brissett
Turner/Jovic

When Westbrook is bought out he can slide in place of Gabe. This team fixes majority if not all of our weaknesses.

[Bourne85]

Idk why pple acting surprised. The team is built with G Leaguers. Always scraping the bottom of the barrel. Turning G leaguers into very rich men is where we shine. Nunn, Whiteside, TJ, McGruber, D Rob, Highsmith, Gabe, Strus. It’s a running joke by now. Who’s Riley gonna pay next?!

Stop holding onto the damn rope and do what needs to be done. Blow it the F up! Start with trading Jimmy and Lowry for picks and young players and D Rob goes with them. If Herro is eligible to be traded after the 15th, send his ass packing too. Bam would net us a bunch of picks and young guys but he’s the only guy I’m reluctant to trade.

There’s a 7 foot beast waiting to be drafted. I rather tank hard for him than crawl into the playoffs for another yearly disappointment. Riley needs to know when to call it, it’s been way past that time. And even if we don’t land Wembanya, there’s a bunch of great young talent waiting to be had. I would rather watch a bunch of up and coming rookies than this “culture” team. Just shut the F up already and admit the team isn’t close to winning and it’s time to move on!

[MorbidHEAT]

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Here’s the difference. Nothing from our role players outside of Herro really

The Lowry one kind of surprised me. Eye test would have lead me to believe that his would be up.

[Wiltside]

Plumpkin’s contract needs to be competitively reconditioned.

Dude is averaging 6pts on 35% shooting. Earning like $16 mill.

It’s honestly insane.

[twix2500]

Dam this room love to go chaotic. Tank or chip bipolarism

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[JBSouthpaw]

From the outside, I feel like you all are short a PF.
Understanding your cap situation,
Would you think Okeke & our 2nd round pick would be enough for Strus?
With Victor finally healthy, minutes aren't there. And a good 2nd round pick seems to be up Riley's ally, also decent to flip for bigger gains.
Okeke's not a big (or medium name) but is a solid, versatile defender who doesn't need the ball. Could also allow Butler to slide down to SF.

[carnageta]

I still think we can turn our season around and be competitive in the playoffs, but it starts with changing our entire scheme - something that is very unlikely to happen unfortunately due to Spo's pride.

Spo is in absolute love with small-ball, with an equal opportunity offense, and with a 'switch everything you can' defensive mentality. To top it off, he's still in the honeymoon phase so it's unlikely to change anytime soon.

If, and if it's a big if, we can center our offensive production around Bam, Herro, and Butler each 18 averaging shots a night, with role players supporting them when needed - as opposed to them supporting the role players - we can turn this around. We have a higher chance of success and a much higher ceiling if we're willing to go to war and die with our best players going all out. On top of this, if we can get away from playing undersized and getting Bam some help defensively at the rim and on the boards, we can turn it around.

Highly doubtful any of this will happen. For some reason, counting on d-league affiliates night in and night out is our current strategy for a championship. Effin' LOL

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I still think we can turn our season around and be competitive in the playoffs, but it starts with changing our entire scheme - something that is very unlikely to happen unfortunately due to Spo's pride.

Spo is in absolute love with small-ball, with an equal opportunity offense, and with a 'switch everything you can' defensive mentality. To top it off, he's still in the honeymoon phase so it's unlikely to change anytime soon.

If, and if it's a big if, we can center our offensive production around Bam, Herro, and Butler each 18 averaging shots a night, with role players supporting them when needed - as opposed to them supporting the role players - we can turn this around. We have a higher chance of success and a much higher ceiling if we're willing to go to war and die with our best players going all out. On top of this, if we can get away from playing undersized and getting Bam some help defensively at the rim and on the boards, we can turn it around.

Highly doubtful any of this will happen. For some reason, counting on d-league affiliates night in and night out is our current strategy for a championship. Effin' LOL

We just saw the strategy you’re wanting succeed against the Celtics but it must’ve pissed Spo off because strus only got 6 shots