Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[HeatFan_NC]

https://allucanheat.com/posts/3-stats-that-explain-miami-heat-win-streak

[Daffy]

Do we know why Thomas Bryant has fallen out of rotation? Is he injured, did he piss of Spo, or is Spo throwing those minutes at Love for a bit?

I'm thinking maybe because his defense hasn't been up to par. Love doesn't play any defense either but he's a high IQ guy. Just my assumption though.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Do we know why Thomas Bryant has fallen out of rotation? Is he injured, did he piss of Spo, or is Spo throwing those minutes at Love for a bit?

Simply put, he’s not good and Love is just a better option at this point unfortunately. He doesn’t play defense and he has the worst +/- on the team last I saw. Preseason stuff looks to be a fluke.

Hopefully he can turn it around, backup center has been one of our biggest flaws for years now. You saw what happened in 1 minutes in game 5 of the finals

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Do we know why Thomas Bryant has fallen out of rotation? Is he injured, did he piss of Spo, or is Spo throwing those minutes at Love for a bit?

I'm thinking maybe because his defense hasn't been up to par. Love doesn't play any defense either but he's a high IQ guy. Just my assumption though.

Right, love is a good rebounder, a respectable threat from 3, and high iq guy who throws good outlet passes here and there. Just provides more overall than Bryant can

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’d like Tyus Jones in Lowry’s role and Caruso in J-Rich’s

Tyus might be a very realistic get. Tyus, Wright, and Gallo for Lowry and Jovic works as a checker match

Just trade Dru Smith and a future 2nd for Kris Dunn


https://youtu.be/W0cKSdUPF8U?si=kduK6bcO-mKHhm9w

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Ainge likes Dunn. He’ll laugh at this and tell us never to call him again like he’s probably done in the past lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Lakers need not worry

Pat Riley already sent in his lowball offer and then went to take his nap

[IceColdCubano]

Lakers need not worry

Pat Riley already sent in his lowball offer and then went to take his nap

The offer never made it out. He fell asleep with the phone in his hand and its sitting as a draft in his email folder.

[DBurks2818]

Do we know why Thomas Bryant has fallen out of rotation? Is he injured, did he piss of Spo, or is Spo throwing those minutes at Love for a bit?

I'm thinking maybe because his defense hasn't been up to par. Love doesn't play any defense either but he's a high IQ guy. Just my assumption though.

Right, love is a good rebounder, a respectable threat from 3, and high iq guy who throws good outlet passes here and there. Just provides more overall than Bryant can

I agree with these takes. If this were pre-season, when we all thought Love would most likely start again throughout most of the season, then it was a logical assumption that Bryant would be Bam's primary backup. However, with the emergence of Highsmith (who many of us were high(smith) on starting late last year), he's been pushed down the depth chart.

Highsmith pushed down Love, who pushed down Bryant, who pushed down Orlando Robinson.

[IceColdCubano]

I'm thinking maybe because his defense hasn't been up to par. Love doesn't play any defense either but he's a high IQ guy. Just my assumption though.

Right, love is a good rebounder, a respectable threat from 3, and high iq guy who throws good outlet passes here and there. Just provides more overall than Bryant can

I agree with these takes. If this were pre-season, when we all thought Love would most likely start again throughout most of the season, then it was a logical assumption that Bryant would be Bam's primary backup. However, with the emergence of Highsmith (who many of us were high(smith) on starting late last year), he's been pushed down the depth chart.

Highsmith pushed down Love, who pushed down Bryant, who pushed down Orlando Robinson.

Loves most productive minutes actually come when he is at the center spot playing against the other teams back ups. His veteran savvy overrides anything a younger rook coming in on the bench for the other team does. Bryant has been abysmal on defense, he continuously goes for a block shot putting himself out of position on rebounds and fouling like a magnet. Love is also a positional rebounder that rebounds by finding good placers on the floor and boxing out early when the shot goes in the air. If you look at Bryant rebounding he almost always moves around after the ball hits the rim, meaning he is either out of position or forces an over the back foul. Loves ability to outlet pass to the bench mob who is the younger bunch looks a lot better than when he does it with the starters.

Additionally most opposing teams usually go small when their bench comes in to try and match up with Miami's speed, Love doesn't every see another 7ft bench player dominating him on the block, it would be another younger 6'-8" or 6'-9" matching up with him.

[DBurks2818]

Right, love is a good rebounder, a respectable threat from 3, and high iq guy who throws good outlet passes here and there. Just provides more overall than Bryant can

I agree with these takes. If this were pre-season, when we all thought Love would most likely start again throughout most of the season, then it was a logical assumption that Bryant would be Bam's primary backup. However, with the emergence of Highsmith (who many of us were high(smith) on starting late last year), he's been pushed down the depth chart.

Highsmith pushed down Love, who pushed down Bryant, who pushed down Orlando Robinson.

Loves most productive minutes actually come when he is at the center spot playing against the other teams back ups. His veteran savvy overrides anything a younger rook coming in on the bench for the other team does. Bryant has been abysmal on defense, he continuously goes for a block shot putting himself out of position on rebounds and fouling like a magnet. Love is also a positional rebounder that rebounds by finding good placers on the floor and boxing out early when the shot goes in the air. If you look at Bryant rebounding he almost always moves around after the ball hits the rim, meaning he is either out of position or forces an over the back foul. Loves ability to outlet pass to the bench mob who is the younger bunch looks a lot better than when he does it with the starters.

Agreed, which is exactly why I'm saying he pushed Bryant down the depth chart: if he isn't starting next to Bam, he is a better backup C than Bryant is for the reasons you mentioned.

[IceColdCubano]

I agree with these takes. If this were pre-season, when we all thought Love would most likely start again throughout most of the season, then it was a logical assumption that Bryant would be Bam's primary backup. However, with the emergence of Highsmith (who many of us were high(smith) on starting late last year), he's been pushed down the depth chart.

Highsmith pushed down Love, who pushed down Bryant, who pushed down Orlando Robinson.

Loves most productive minutes actually come when he is at the center spot playing against the other teams back ups. His veteran savvy overrides anything a younger rook coming in on the bench for the other team does. Bryant has been abysmal on defense, he continuously goes for a block shot putting himself out of position on rebounds and fouling like a magnet. Love is also a positional rebounder that rebounds by finding good placers on the floor and boxing out early when the shot goes in the air. If you look at Bryant rebounding he almost always moves around after the ball hits the rim, meaning he is either out of position or forces an over the back foul. Loves ability to outlet pass to the bench mob who is the younger bunch looks a lot better than when he does it with the starters.

Agreed, which is exactly why I'm saying he pushed Bryant down the depth chart: if he isn't starting next to Bam, he is a better backup C than Bryant is for the reasons you mentioned.

Bryant always looks agitated, hurried, and plays with a weird tempo that doesn't match the team, don't know how many times Ive seen him miss a bunny at the rim, because he like flips the ball in the air like its lit on fire or covered in acid. His timing is completely off, like even on jumpshots its like he just flicks the thing over his head, almost like he is playing the 7 seconds or less offense from D'antoni. He needs to like settle down, and take the a more methodical approach I mean he has skills, and looks like some decent footwork.

[Rapaz]

No to LaVine
No to DeRozan
No to Caruso

We have enough.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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With what though lol?

[AirP.]

I’d like Tyus Jones in Lowry’s role and Caruso in J-Rich’s

Tyus might be a very realistic get. Tyus, Wright, and Gallo for Lowry and Jovic works as a checker match

Just trade Dru Smith and a future 2nd for Kris Dunn


https://youtu.be/W0cKSdUPF8U?si=kduK6bcO-mKHhm9w

I'm not sure Miami will take on that extra salary. I get it's a small amount, but I highly doubt they take on more salary at this point.

[wadenation305]

https://allucanheat.com/posts/3-stats-that-explain-miami-heat-win-streak

"A bulk – 9.7 per game – of those forced turnovers are steals. The Heat’s six-game win streak coincides with Haywood Highsmith’s insertion into the starting lineup. Highsmith is averaging 1.5 steals in that time. Jimmy Butler and Bam Adebayo are both averaging 1.8 and Tyler Herro, who played in the first three games of this streak before spraining his ankle, was averaging a team-high 2 steals per contest before his injury."

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[IceColdCubano]

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Zach Lavine 28YO 6'5"@205lbs vs Tyler Herro 23YO 6'5"@200lbs:
Zach Contract @40M for 4 years remaining last year 48M with a 15% trade kicker in his contract, plus additional incentives.
Tyler Contract @30M for 4 years remaining, plus additional incentives.

Zach - 2023-2024 Season - 35.2-Min 21.7-Pts 40.7-Fg% 33.0-3pt% 4.8-Reb 3.0-Ast 0.8-Stl 116.5-DRTG
Tyler - 2023-2024 Season - 34.0-Min 22.9-Pts 44.7-Fg% 41.0-3pt% 5.0-Reb 4.6-Ast 1.4-Stl 111.8-DRTG

Zach - 2022-2023 Season - 35.9-Min 24.8-Pts 48.5-Fg% 37.5-3pt% 4.5-Reb 4.2-Ast 0.9-Stl 114.7-DRTG
Tyler - 2022-2023 Season - 34.9-Min 20.1-Pts 43.9-Fg% 37.8-3pt% 5.4-Reb 4.2-Ast 0.8-Stl 114.8-DRTG

Nah, I am good.....No thank you another Tyler clone player, whos' injuries have put his best days behind him during his peak. On a bigger contract with lesser stats, 3 years older and worse defensive rating than Herro, making more money.

[mg]

Checking the on court/offcourt stats and Lavine is such a losing player. Maybe the price to obtain him becomes so low that Riley can't resist although the contract is pretty bad in addition to the injury issues. I certainly wouldn't give up Herro or JJJ as part of any package for him.

Edit: Lowry+Martin+Jovic+pick works in the trade machine. Would the Heat take on the 4/$129mil due to Lavine?

[IceColdCubano]

Checking the on court/offcourt stats and Lavine is such a losing player. Maybe the price to obtain him becomes so low that Riley can't resist although the contract is pretty bad in addition to the injury issues. I certainly wouldn't give up Herro or JJJ as part of any package for him.

Edit: Lowry+Martin+Jovic+pick works in the trade machine. Would the Heat take on the 4/$129mil due to Lavine?

Doubtful, Lowry is Miami's ticket out of the second Apron and clearing space. Miami would be paying some absolute massive taxes the following year, which they aren't known to do. Then youll have a on the court what Lavine, Herro, Jimmy, Highsmith, Bam??? Can Lavine be a primary ball handler, I just don't see it.

Who knows maybe you talk Lavine into being our six man, and run the second unit through him, and let him gun, then we would have some serious scoring punch from the bench. Or do you relegate Herro to the bench as our six man instead, how do you play that out???