Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

[lastb1ckman]

Priority should be to somehow trade herro and snag convington. I’d be happy with that.

Oh man that's 3-4 years too late man. He's washed now.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Pistons got

3 second rd picks
Tim Hardaway Jr 16 million expiring

Dallas got

SG Quentin Grimes


I mention this deal because Duncan Robinson and his 20 million is a prime dump target to the Pistons. Duncan has his old college coach in the front office over there. We would have to trade the 2026 and 2030 2nd rd picks to get it done.

Toss in Orlando Robinson for good measure. We would get 22 million off the books. Gets us 15 million to spend under the first apron automatically opening up the MLE and enough to sign another vet minimum. Dallas had to trade 3 second rd picks but also had to deal a young cheap player in Grimes to Dallas accounting for the extra second.

We throw so many 2nd away doing salary dumps every year to save Micky money im shocked we had one to use this summer

Yeah we actually have two whole ones to get something done lol. We can actually go bargain hunting for multiple players if we can get this done. Technically the Heat drafted 3 second rd picks this year in Larsson, Johnson, and Pullin.

[El Alonzo scowl]

What's the protection situation on our draft pick next season? Cause we ain't making the playoffs.

[Enso]

Priority should be to somehow trade herro and snag convington. I’d be happy with that.

Oh man that's 3-4 years too late man. He's washed now.

He’s 33 we can squeeze out wtv he’s got left and desperately need another versatile wing/ big to go along side jovic. I think it would work.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Priority should be to somehow trade herro and snag convington. I’d be happy with that.

Oh man that's 3-4 years too late man. He's washed now.

He’s 33 we can squeeze out wtv he’s got left and desperately need another versatile wing/ big to go along side jovic. I think it would work.

Would rather just have Crowder back who’s more stout, knows our system and players, and year younger.

[ZoStrong]

If we’re not doing anything just go ahead and send Jimmy out for as many 1sts as possible, we already know Pat isn’t giving him 4/$240M next summer so if we’re not going all in what’s the point?

The trade deadline is in Feb. We got plenty of time and lots things will happen between now and then. Relax

[lastb1ckman]

What's the protection situation on our draft pick next season? Cause we ain't making the playoffs.

1-14 lottery protected, but i think we lose 2026 to the clippers and 2028 to Charlotte if we keep it. I might be wrong about the years tho

[El Alonzo scowl]

If we’re not doing anything just go ahead and send Jimmy out for as many 1sts as possible, we already know Pat isn’t giving him 4/$240M next summer so if we’re not going all in what’s the point?

The trade deadline is in Feb. We got plenty of time and lots things will happen between now and then. Relax

Yep plenty of time to not make any moves to upgrade the roster because of no cap room, bad contracts, no one liking our prospects, trade a future second rounder in the 2030s to unload a bad contract, and maybe sign a buyout veteran on a pro-rated contract. Same crap we've done every year. Our last "big" signing was Kyle Lowry. This team is done.

[Heat3]

I really want the Heat to start their rebuild, but based on how a lot of Heat reporters and Heat fans seem to be in the 7th circle of hell over just being mediocre (after years of playoff success and multiple rings in living memory) idk if they could handle it lol. Rebuilds often don't work as quickly as expected, more than 2 years of top of the lottery play might take Barry and those Five Reasons guys out lol.

I lived in NC for a long time, our sleepy pat offseasons would be PEAK years for the Hornets/Bobcats. Just TERRIBLE basketball year after year. Maybe getting a competitive season every 5 years or so, only for Gerald Wallace/Al Jefferson/Kemba/Lamelo to get hurt and sink the season. And if they're healthy, they end up getting sent packing by the Heat in the first round. On top of that, there's MJ's terrible/cheap ass ownership, usually terrible GMs, and a constant parade of mid to terrible coaches. THAT is a terrible organization.

I was a Heat fan in the early years and it was the same here. Some fans will get what they’re asking for when change comes to the front office eventually. It is sooner than later now. They may not like what it looks like.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we’re not doing anything just go ahead and send Jimmy out for as many 1sts as possible, we already know Pat isn’t giving him 4/$240M next summer so if we’re not going all in what’s the point?

The trade deadline is in Feb. We got plenty of time and lots things will happen between now and then. Relax

Yep plenty of time to not make any moves to upgrade the roster because of no cap room, bad contracts, no one liking our prospects, trade a future second rounder in the 2030s to unload a bad contract, and maybe sign a buyout veteran on a pro-rated contract. Same crap we've done every year. Our last "big" signing was Kyle Lowry. This team is done.

Constant goal post moving unfortunately. When the deadline gets here we’ll be talking about the moves we’re going to make in the summer lol

[BBallFreak]

I really want the Heat to start their rebuild, but based on how a lot of Heat reporters and Heat fans seem to be in the 7th circle of hell over just being mediocre (after years of playoff success and multiple rings in living memory) idk if they could handle it lol. Rebuilds often don't work as quickly as expected, more than 2 years of top of the lottery play might take Barry and those Five Reasons guys out lol.

I lived in NC for a long time, our sleepy pat offseasons would be PEAK years for the Hornets/Bobcats. Just TERRIBLE basketball year after year. Maybe getting a competitive season every 5 years or so, only for Gerald Wallace/Al Jefferson/Kemba/Lamelo to get hurt and sink the season. And if they're healthy, they end up getting sent packing by the Heat in the first round. On top of that, there's MJ's terrible/cheap ass ownership, usually terrible GMs, and a constant parade of mid to terrible coaches. THAT is a terrible organization.

I was a Heat fan in the early years and it was the same here. Some fans will get what they’re asking for when change comes to the front office eventually. It is sooner than later now. They may not like what it looks like.

All of this is why I don't understand the negativity by some fans, here. We are consistently relevant and ALWAYS a team no one wants to play. That's because of what our front office has put in place.

Heat Culture might sound cliche and trite to some here, but where are we when it's gone? That's our development program. That's the way we draft players. That's putting our players in a position to succeed. We're a first class organization that players want to play for and that's, in very large part, because of what Riley has put into place.

If this is what people think is hell, wait until we're run like the Detroit Pistons or the Charlotte Hornets...

[ZoStrong]

If we’re not doing anything just go ahead and send Jimmy out for as many 1sts as possible, we already know Pat isn’t giving him 4/$240M next summer so if we’re not going all in what’s the point?

The trade deadline is in Feb. We got plenty of time and lots things will happen between now and then. Relax

Yep plenty of time to not make any moves to upgrade the roster because of no cap room, bad contracts, no one liking our prospects, trade a future second rounder in the 2030s to unload a bad contract, and maybe sign a buyout veteran on a pro-rated contract. Same crap we've done every year. Our last "big" signing was Kyle Lowry. This team is done.

We were heading for the possible 3rd seed in mid point of the last season. What u mean "done"? Don't have such negative outlooks. Heat or life. Some of you are just miserable human beings, lol. Or, are you just doing some sorta performance act here a la Mike Ryan, lol

[ZoStrong]

The trade deadline is in Feb. We got plenty of time and lots things will happen between now and then. Relax

Yep plenty of time to not make any moves to upgrade the roster because of no cap room, bad contracts, no one liking our prospects, trade a future second rounder in the 2030s to unload a bad contract, and maybe sign a buyout veteran on a pro-rated contract. Same crap we've done every year. Our last "big" signing was Kyle Lowry. This team is done.

Constant goal post moving unfortunately. When the deadline gets here we’ll be talking about the moves we’re going to make in the summer lol

Such is life. Better to be forever optimistic n enjoy the ride than "the sky is falling" types like you.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yep plenty of time to not make any moves to upgrade the roster because of no cap room, bad contracts, no one liking our prospects, trade a future second rounder in the 2030s to unload a bad contract, and maybe sign a buyout veteran on a pro-rated contract. Same crap we've done every year. Our last "big" signing was Kyle Lowry. This team is done.

Constant goal post moving unfortunately. When the deadline gets here we’ll be talking about the moves we’re going to make in the summer lol

Such is life. Better to be forever optimistic n enjoy the ride than "the sky is falling" types like you.

Oh no I’m overly optimistic. I’d go as far as saying I’m the most delusional on this forum in terms of what moves I think Pat is going to make each summer/deadline because that’s the Pat I grew up accustomed to seeing which also probably leads to me being more disappointed than most and being critical of him as well.

Im one of the few that thinks we would’ve beat Boston if we were fully healthy because I just believe they’re soft and we have their number when it matters most when all hands are on deck.

That being said, knowing we’ve needed a big move for an all star guy to put us over the top for several years and not being able to get it done has been pretty deflating.

[El Alonzo scowl]

The trade deadline is in Feb. We got plenty of time and lots things will happen between now and then. Relax

Yep plenty of time to not make any moves to upgrade the roster because of no cap room, bad contracts, no one liking our prospects, trade a future second rounder in the 2030s to unload a bad contract, and maybe sign a buyout veteran on a pro-rated contract. Same crap we've done every year. Our last "big" signing was Kyle Lowry. This team is done.

We were heading for the possible 3rd seed in mid point of the last season. What u mean "done"? Don't have such negative outlooks. Heat or life. Some of you are just miserable human beings, lol. Or, are you just doing some sorta performance act here a la Mike Ryan, lol

The Heat lost every single "must-win" game last season. Every single time the Heat had a chance to go up in the standings, they lost last season. They went on the worse losing streak in fifteen years of Miami Heat basketball, since the 15-67 team. Their dismal record last season is an accurate reflection of who they are, a waning team with a declining superstar out the door. Yes, the Heat are done.

[oreon]

I really want the Heat to start their rebuild, but based on how a lot of Heat reporters and Heat fans seem to be in the 7th circle of hell over just being mediocre (after years of playoff success and multiple rings in living memory) idk if they could handle it lol. Rebuilds often don't work as quickly as expected, more than 2 years of top of the lottery play might take Barry and those Five Reasons guys out lol.

I lived in NC for a long time, our sleepy pat offseasons would be PEAK years for the Hornets/Bobcats. Just TERRIBLE basketball year after year. Maybe getting a competitive season every 5 years or so, only for Gerald Wallace/Al Jefferson/Kemba/Lamelo to get hurt and sink the season. And if they're healthy, they end up getting sent packing by the Heat in the first round. On top of that, there's MJ's terrible/cheap ass ownership, usually terrible GMs, and a constant parade of mid to terrible coaches. THAT is a terrible organization.

I was a Heat fan in the early years and it was the same here. Some fans will get what they’re asking for when change comes to the front office eventually. It is sooner than later now. They may not like what it looks like.

All of this is why I don't understand the negativity by some fans, here. We are consistently relevant and ALWAYS a team no one wants to play. That's because of what our front office has put in place.

Heat Culture might sound cliche and trite to some here, but where are we when it's gone? That's our development program. That's the way we draft players. That's putting our players in a position to succeed. We're a first class organization that players want to play for and that's, in very large part, because of what Riley has put into place.

If this is what people think is hell, wait until we're run like the Detroit Pistons or the Charlotte Hornets...

FO hasn't been bad. But they have a huge blind spot. Their refusal to rebuild. Sometimes you gotta recognize when it isn't working anymore and change direction.
Celts got ahead of it, traded their big 3 for Nets picks and set themselves for the future.
OKC got ahead of it too, moved Russ and PG13 for picks. Now both teams are set to contend for the next decade

Meanwhile Heat are capped out , no picks and are counting on a 34 year old to play like a top 5 player. Meanwhile in the East, Boston are clearly better, so are Knicks and so would a healthy Sixers team. These are 3 teams Heat would have a hard team beating. With their assets, I dont see a trade that they can do that can push them to true contention.

[MettaWorldPanda]

What's the protection situation on our draft pick next season? Cause we ain't making the playoffs.

1-14 lottery protected, but i think we lose 2026 to the clippers and 2028 to Charlotte if we keep it. I might be wrong about the years tho

2026 goes to OKC unprotected if not conveyed then the Hornets top 20 protected pick in 2027 automatically transfers to unprotected in 2028.

[AirP.]

I really want the Heat to start their rebuild, but based on how a lot of Heat reporters and Heat fans seem to be in the 7th circle of hell over just being mediocre (after years of playoff success and multiple rings in living memory) idk if they could handle it lol. Rebuilds often don't work as quickly as expected, more than 2 years of top of the lottery play might take Barry and those Five Reasons guys out lol.

I lived in NC for a long time, our sleepy pat offseasons would be PEAK years for the Hornets/Bobcats. Just TERRIBLE basketball year after year. Maybe getting a competitive season every 5 years or so, only for Gerald Wallace/Al Jefferson/Kemba/Lamelo to get hurt and sink the season. And if they're healthy, they end up getting sent packing by the Heat in the first round. On top of that, there's MJ's terrible/cheap ass ownership, usually terrible GMs, and a constant parade of mid to terrible coaches. THAT is a terrible organization.

I was a Heat fan in the early years and it was the same here. Some fans will get what they’re asking for when change comes to the front office eventually. It is sooner than later now. They may not like what it looks like.

Rebuilding basically means getting higher picks in the draft, a draft that is very hit or miss and you could be bad for a long, long time if you miss on one or more very high picks and Miami has missed on picks. Like Heat3 mentions, you may not like what it looks like, year 3-4 of being really bad is tough and sometimes you still can't see the light at the end of the tunnel, ask Detroit about that. Golden State had top of the draft picks while being a dominate team and basically screwed up 2 of those 3 high lottery picks.

You can look back at the 2020 draft, Miami drafted Precious and could have had Maxey, Quickly or Bane, 4 years later Precious is hoping for someone to give him a MLE while the other 3 got extensions of 175+ million. Maybe an organization that can find and develop good roleplaying and mid-level talent should be drafting players based on who they think have the highest potential and let Spoelstra and his assistants work their magic? Even though I really liked the Jaquez Jr pick, he was 22 and close to a finished product that scored at a pace of 15.1 pts per36 while a guy like Whitmore who looked very talented fell to Houston at 20 and just scored at a pace of 23.7 pts per36 in 880 minutes (so a decent number of minutes) his rookie season at age 19.

I think Miami should always be willing to go all in on special young or in their prime talent whenever they don't have an MVP level talent on their roster (which they haven't had since LeBron left), this doesn't mean just acquire any and all picks you can get but try to win while making smart decisions with assets and contracts (good value contracts are good assets). Don't hand out around 50 million in contracts to 2 offensive only players who aren't dominate on the offensive end.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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