2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[MettaWorldPanda]

5 Reasons who has been talking about moving Butler for a while, on their latest podcast of theirs they finally brought up moving Bam and thinking Miami could get 2-3 1st round picks for him. It's not about # of draft picks, although it can help, it's about getting one or 2 picks near the top of the draft to build with.

I'm not a fan of teams tanking although I understand if you're a small market team or a non-destination for stars but those teams are almost farm teams for the true destination teams though.

Pat Riley is not dealing Bam. He’s there chosen Heat culture torch bearer.

[AirP.]

5 Reasons who has been talking about moving Butler for a while, on their latest podcast of theirs they finally brought up moving Bam and thinking Miami could get 2-3 1st round picks for him. It's not about # of draft picks, although it can help, it's about getting one or 2 picks near the top of the draft to build with.

I'm not a fan of teams tanking although I understand if you're a small market team or a non-destination for stars but those teams are almost farm teams for the true destination teams though.

Pat Riley is not dealing Bam. He’s there chosen Heat culture torch bearer.

Sure, but like I mentioned, this was the first time I've heard them even mention this. He's 27 now, if Miami moves Butler Miami mor3e than likely takes a step back, you'd have to expect this team's ceiling to be less and with that, maybe you move Bam vs waste a few seasons before really start to build back the team when he's 29 or 30.

It's just wild to me that a guy like Bam is only worth 2-3 1sts or someone would be interested in moving him for that. I'd much rather have Bam than say Jovic, Jaquez Jr and Ware for example, you really need 1-2 of those picks to be somewhere near the top of the draft for a guy like Bam to be moved for that type of package. Once again, this is why I liked how Miami used to be, trading draft picks for proven good players although they did trade a 1st for a lesser player like Rozier last year which was just a bad move, such an odd move to trade for an older and flawed player by this organization.

[MettaWorldPanda]

5 Reasons who has been talking about moving Butler for a while, on their latest podcast of theirs they finally brought up moving Bam and thinking Miami could get 2-3 1st round picks for him. It's not about # of draft picks, although it can help, it's about getting one or 2 picks near the top of the draft to build with.

I'm not a fan of teams tanking although I understand if you're a small market team or a non-destination for stars but those teams are almost farm teams for the true destination teams though.

Pat Riley is not dealing Bam. He’s there chosen Heat culture torch bearer.

Sure, but like I mentioned, this was the first time I've heard them even mention this. He's 27 now, if Miami moves Butler Miami mor3e than likely takes a step back, you'd have to expect this team's ceiling to be less and with that, maybe you move Bam vs waste a few seasons before really start to build back the team when he's 29 or 30.

It's just wild to me that a guy like Bam is only worth 2-3 1sts or someone would be interested in moving him for that. I'd much rather have Bam than say Jovic, Jaquez Jr and Ware for example, you really need 1-2 of those picks to be somewhere near the top of the draft for a guy like Bam to be moved for that type of package. Once again, this is why I liked how Miami used to be, trading draft picks for proven good players although they did trade a 1st for a lesser player like Rozier last year which was just a bad move, such an odd move to trade for an older and flawed player by this organization.

5 reasons is really no different then us in here spit balling ideas. Talking about trading Bam is provocative gets the people going. Even if Butler gets moved or walks Riley and the front office will be fine moving forward and competing with Bam and Herro.

[AirP.]

Pat Riley is not dealing Bam. He’s there chosen Heat culture torch bearer.

Sure, but like I mentioned, this was the first time I've heard them even mention this. He's 27 now, if Miami moves Butler Miami mor3e than likely takes a step back, you'd have to expect this team's ceiling to be less and with that, maybe you move Bam vs waste a few seasons before really start to build back the team when he's 29 or 30.

It's just wild to me that a guy like Bam is only worth 2-3 1sts or someone would be interested in moving him for that. I'd much rather have Bam than say Jovic, Jaquez Jr and Ware for example, you really need 1-2 of those picks to be somewhere near the top of the draft for a guy like Bam to be moved for that type of package. Once again, this is why I liked how Miami used to be, trading draft picks for proven good players although they did trade a 1st for a lesser player like Rozier last year which was just a bad move, such an odd move to trade for an older and flawed player by this organization.

5 reasons is really no different then us in here spit balling ideas. Talking about trading Bam is provocative gets the people going. Even if Butler gets moved or walks Riley and the front office will be fine moving forward and competing with Bam and Herro.

If Butler walks Miami doesn't have the money to really add a big player, you're looking at basically the same team as this year without Butler unless Miami makes some type of trade. Looking at Miami just a few months ago in the playoffs without Butler, they didn't even score 90 points 3 of the 5 playoff games last year and did win 1 playoff game by shooting an unstainable 53% from 3pt range. You won't have that "bad" big contract but you'll still have a number of bad midrange contracts holding you back. Keeping or trading Butler for a great package (which may not be available) is the only way to limit how long Miami may be in the abyss. Worse yet, this would be happening starting next season with Riley being 80 years old, I don't know if he's really good wasting time at this point in his life.

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I'm sure they're highly interested in turning Beal into Butler but it doesn't mean they have any sweeteners to make Miami interested. They do talk about rerouting Beal somewhere else but that's a very long shot to happen let alone Miami wanting to do something with Phoenix.

The Hoop Collective say they expect nothing to happen until near the trade deadline when teams know if they're close or not, not anytime early in this current season.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Sure, but like I mentioned, this was the first time I've heard them even mention this. He's 27 now, if Miami moves Butler Miami mor3e than likely takes a step back, you'd have to expect this team's ceiling to be less and with that, maybe you move Bam vs waste a few seasons before really start to build back the team when he's 29 or 30.

It's just wild to me that a guy like Bam is only worth 2-3 1sts or someone would be interested in moving him for that. I'd much rather have Bam than say Jovic, Jaquez Jr and Ware for example, you really need 1-2 of those picks to be somewhere near the top of the draft for a guy like Bam to be moved for that type of package. Once again, this is why I liked how Miami used to be, trading draft picks for proven good players although they did trade a 1st for a lesser player like Rozier last year which was just a bad move, such an odd move to trade for an older and flawed player by this organization.

5 reasons is really no different then us in here spit balling ideas. Talking about trading Bam is provocative gets the people going. Even if Butler gets moved or walks Riley and the front office will be fine moving forward and competing with Bam and Herro.

If Butler walks Miami doesn't have the money to really add a big player, you're looking at basically the same team as this year without Butler unless Miami makes some type of trade. Looking at Miami just a few months ago in the playoffs without Butler, they didn't even score 90 points 3 of the 5 playoff games last year and did win 1 playoff game by shooting an unstainable 53% from 3pt range. You won't have that "bad" big contract but you'll still have a number of bad midrange contracts holding you back. Keeping or trading Butler for a great package (which may not be available) is the only way to limit how long Miami may be in the abyss. Worse yet, this would be happening starting next season with Riley being 80 years old, I don't know if he's really good wasting time at this point in his life.

People are not going to like it but I think Miami gives in during the offseason and extends him. Like you said his 50 million coming off the books really doesn’t do much but allow us to sign some middling contracts. I just don’t see very many options and I really don’t see teams hungry enough to dump valued multiple assets for him either. Arison can atleast justify keeping Butler cause his name cache alone keeps the franchise relevant and puts people in the seats. What the front office needs to do is finding better use of the 44 million poured into Rozier and Duncan while staying under the tax.

[AirP.]

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5 reasons is really no different then us in here spit balling ideas. Talking about trading Bam is provocative gets the people going. Even if Butler gets moved or walks Riley and the front office will be fine moving forward and competing with Bam and Herro.

If Butler walks Miami doesn't have the money to really add a big player, you're looking at basically the same team as this year without Butler unless Miami makes some type of trade. Looking at Miami just a few months ago in the playoffs without Butler, they didn't even score 90 points 3 of the 5 playoff games last year and did win 1 playoff game by shooting an unstainable 53% from 3pt range. You won't have that "bad" big contract but you'll still have a number of bad midrange contracts holding you back. Keeping or trading Butler for a great package (which may not be available) is the only way to limit how long Miami may be in the abyss. Worse yet, this would be happening starting next season with Riley being 80 years old, I don't know if he's really good wasting time at this point in his life.

People are not going to like it but I think Miami gives in during the offseason and extends him. Like you said his 50 million coming off the books really doesn’t do much but allow us to sign some middling contracts. I just don’t see very many options and I really don’t see teams hungry enough to dump valued multiple assets for him either. Arison can atleast justify keeping Butler cause his name cache alone keeps the franchise relevant and puts people in the seats. What the front office needs to do is finding better use of the 44 million poured into Rozier and Duncan while staying under the tax.

Yeah, I'm expecting both sides to negotiate on the extreme for each side then settle in the middle and I would expect that the money won't get too far off, I think Butler's side will push for a no-trade so he can retire with the Heat other than getting moved as a big expiring contract near the end of his career, something Lillard is going to have to deal with.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm sure they're highly interested in turning Beal into Butler but it doesn't mean they have nave any sweeteners to make Miami interested. They do talk about rerouting Beal somewhere else but that's a very long shot to happen let alone Miami wanting to do something with Phoenix.

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Miami wants no part of Beal’s no trade clause. They didn’t want it then and don’t want it now. Suns media is going to keep pumping this cause it benefits them greatly to get Butler there. I don’t want a Herro and Beal backcourt either. I’d rather just pay Butler

[AirP.]

I'm sure they're highly interested in turning Beal into Butler but it doesn't mean they have nave any sweeteners to make Miami interested. They do talk about rerouting Beal somewhere else but that's a very long shot to happen let alone Miami wanting to do something with Phoenix.

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Miami wants no part of Beal’s no trade clause. They didn’t want it then and don’t want it now. Suns media is going to keep pumping this cause it benefits them greatly to get Butler there. I don’t want a Herro and Beal backcourt either. I’d rather just pay Butler

They mention that in the podcast (I just finished listening to it), it would seem they think that Beal would have to be rerouted to a 3rd team but that would take Beal accepting the new team he's going to with that no trade plus of course, Miami needing incentive to move Butler to Phoenix. Just because Phoenix would want to do this doesn't mean Miami would want to do it.

Gotta say, it would be interesting to see Beal in this offense with Butler gone and Jovic (Hayward goes to SF) or Jaquez Jr in the starting lineup, you'd be spreading the court even more with a guy who's been a great long range shooter.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Spoiler:

If Butler walks Miami doesn't have the money to really add a big player, you're looking at basically the same team as this year without Butler unless Miami makes some type of trade. Looking at Miami just a few months ago in the playoffs without Butler, they didn't even score 90 points 3 of the 5 playoff games last year and did win 1 playoff game by shooting an unstainable 53% from 3pt range. You won't have that "bad" big contract but you'll still have a number of bad midrange contracts holding you back. Keeping or trading Butler for a great package (which may not be available) is the only way to limit how long Miami may be in the abyss. Worse yet, this would be happening starting next season with Riley being 80 years old, I don't know if he's really good wasting time at this point in his life.

People are not going to like it but I think Miami gives in during the offseason and extends him. Like you said his 50 million coming off the books really doesn’t do much but allow us to sign some middling contracts. I just don’t see very many options and I really don’t see teams hungry enough to dump valued multiple assets for him either. Arison can atleast justify keeping Butler cause his name cache alone keeps the franchise relevant and puts people in the seats. What the front office needs to do is finding better use of the 44 million poured into Rozier and Duncan while staying under the tax.

Yeah, I'm expecting both sides to negotiate on the extreme for each side then settle in the middle and I would expect that the money won't get too far off, I think Butler's side will push for a no-trade so he can retire with the Heat other than getting moved as a big expiring contract near the end of his career, something Lillard is going to have to deal with.

Heat can’t give him a no trade clause. As the Heat move on and draft picks start to open up for trade the whole idea is having his contract to trade at the end for another potential younger max player. That’s the only way to get star players these days cause free agency is essentially dead with current teams able to offer more money.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Paul George signed a 4 year , $211,584,940 contract with the Philadelphia 76ers, including $211,584,940 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $52,896,235. In 2024-25, George will earn a base salary of $49,205,800, while carrying a cap hit of $49,205,800 and a dead cap value of $49,205,800.

Would not shock me to see Butler’s new contract look similar to the PG contract. Whether it be with us or another team. PG signed this deal in his age 34/35 year. It ends with him making 56 million in his expiring age 37 year.

[DayofMourning]

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/heat-predicted-to-move-on-from-jimmy-butler-in-favor-of-thunder-s-three-player-package-01jf5kn55g11

[3ammy3uck3ts]

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/heat-predicted-to-move-on-from-jimmy-butler-in-favor-of-thunder-s-three-player-package-01jf5kn55g11

We need to squeeze more of those 16 1sts out from them and the Thunder should have no issues in doing so. You would have to swap Joe or Caruso with Hartenstein though for salary purposes.

I mentioned the Thunder the other day, don’t know why they wouldn’t be all over this. It would be a wrap for the next 2 seasons at minimum

[MettaWorldPanda]

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/heat-predicted-to-move-on-from-jimmy-butler-in-favor-of-thunder-s-three-player-package-01jf5kn55g11

Anthony Pasciolla made this up lol. OKC is not doing this.

[DayofMourning]

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/heat-predicted-to-move-on-from-jimmy-butler-in-favor-of-thunder-s-three-player-package-01jf5kn55g11

We need to squeeze more of those 16 1sts out from them and the Thunder should have no issues in doing so. You would have to swap Joe or Caruso with Hartenstein though for salary purposes.

I mentioned the Thunder the other day, don’t know why they wouldn’t be all over this. It would be a wrap for the next 2 seasons at minimum

I like your idea better. Id muuuuuch rather have Hartenstein.

Hartenstein, Cason and some picks is a good return for an elder statesman in my book.

[MettaWorldPanda]

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/heat-predicted-to-move-on-from-jimmy-butler-in-favor-of-thunder-s-three-player-package-01jf5kn55g11

We need to squeeze more of those 16 1sts out from them and the Thunder should have no issues in doing so. You would have to swap Joe or Caruso with Hartenstein though for salary purposes.

I mentioned the Thunder the other day, don’t know why they wouldn’t be all over this. It would be a wrap for the next 2 seasons at minimum

I think OKC would be rather reluctant mixing in an older vet personality like Butler into there locker room. They have so much ammo they can get in on much younger star options if it opens up.

[DayofMourning]

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/heat-predicted-to-move-on-from-jimmy-butler-in-favor-of-thunder-s-three-player-package-01jf5kn55g11

Anthony Pasciolla made this up lol. OKC is not doing this.

Oh, for sure.

I enjoy these fantasy trades, for better or worse.

[MettaWorldPanda]

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/heat-predicted-to-move-on-from-jimmy-butler-in-favor-of-thunder-s-three-player-package-01jf5kn55g11

Anthony Pasciolla made this up lol. OKC is not doing this.

Oh, for sure.

I enjoy these fantasy trades, for better or worse.

I could see Jimmy fitting in nicely on the Spurs. Pop and Paul would coincide nicely with Butler’s personality. They also have pieces, picks, and ample cap space to make it worth our while. Butler would also be surrounded around plenty of stretch three point options. Butler could also bring along Stephon Castle.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/heat-predicted-to-move-on-from-jimmy-butler-in-favor-of-thunder-s-three-player-package-01jf5kn55g11

We need to squeeze more of those 16 1sts out from them and the Thunder should have no issues in doing so. You would have to swap Joe or Caruso with Hartenstein though for salary purposes.

I mentioned the Thunder the other day, don’t know why they wouldn’t be all over this. It would be a wrap for the next 2 seasons at minimum

I think OKC would be rather reluctant mixing in an older vet personality like Butler into there locker room. They have so much ammo they can get in on much younger star options if it opens up.

I’d just go ahead and get the proven top 5 player when it matters most on my team and let the rest work itself out lol this should be a no brainer for them