2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 4

[dshearn]

And another thing, fans try to pin the Lowry signing on Jimmy because Jimmy and Lowry are tight and Jimmy wanted him here.

But ... and I can't stress this enough ... Jimmy doesn't have the power to sign anyone at any price. That's Pat. If Jimmy could spend the Heat's money, he would have given himself an extension. The fact that Pat made a poor decision in order to appease Jimmy doesn't absolve him of his total responsibility for the boneheaded move.

Sadly Lowry was the prize of that free agent period overall. Miami was over the cap. I still don't think the Lowry signing was a bad move. It was the needed move at the time to compete. Dragic was done and Miami was coming off a finals run.

That contract was negligence. It was an overpay, but I didn't mind that so much. But Lowry's age (35) and giving him that 3rd year still pisses me off.

And then the cherry on top was trading Lowry's expiring deal with a pick to get Rozier.

I will always be in the camp that Duncan was intended to be trade filler. They used that contract to send a message to all the talented guys that were not draft that Miami is a place to start your career, but I really think that contract was always intended to go after a big fish...and then Duncan's shooting fell apart.

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[Tim_Hardawayy]

Mashburn had the talent, but he was weak in the head and chest.

It pissed me off when he torched the Heat in that Hornets series the year Zo tried to come back from his kidney ailment. All I could think was, "where the hell was this in those Knicks series?"

But besides criticisms of mental toughness, there's also the fact Mitch would have fit better purely on the basis of being a better shooter. I know there weren't near as many 3's taken back then, but spacing still matters and Mash was more a midrange guy. That's one of my favorite Heat what-ifs, what if the 96-97 team gets Mitch at the deadline instead of Mashburn. Riley wanted him not just for scoring, but he was known as one of the guys who gave MJ at least small fits when guarding him.

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[Tim_Hardawayy]

Guarantee Riley knew Jimmy was at prime 112 too, he's got eyes/ears everywhere, so him not airing that dirty laundry if anything was him trying to give Jimmy a chance. I get why people are upset at the end of season press conference, but the more I hear, the more this seems like purely Jimmy at fault at this point.

[DayofMourning]

Shoulda traded Butler before all this. Past 2 years tbh. Hope that taught our FO something.

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A 2nd rounder for one of the top 5 playoff performers in the league will add to the gut punch

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Fuxk it just do Twix idea and get CJ and Ingram in the Jimmy trade.

CJ
Herro
JJJ or Highsmith
Ingram
Bam

Beal Duncan Jrich and 3 2nds from the Suns to NO. CJ Ingram and a 1st from Phoenix to Miami, Jimmy to Phoenix James Jones holds Beal at gunpoint and makes him accept the trade.

Murray
Beal
Herb
Murphy
Zion

Tyus
Booker
Jimmy
KD
Plumlee

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Ware
Bam
Zion
Herro
Fox

Jovic
Keshad
Jaime
Larsson
Dru

Get it done.

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[Hoops3355]

Just a quick counter to the “when you’re that close, go for it” logic. First of all, it was arguable the team wasn’t even that close. None of those Finals runs were predicted after all. So mortgaging your future on a team that isn’t even a true contender is a big ask.

Second, sometimes you get EXACTLY what you’re asking for…and it’s a Terry Rozier, or a Ricky Davis (older Heat fans remember that one). So be careful what you wish for.

Rickkkkkky. Jesus my Dad hated that dude with such a passion. I gotta call him and ask him how feels about Ricky, he's gonna lose it. Bahaha

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Bam and Ware soon

[twix2500]

Just a quick counter to the “when you’re that close, go for it” logic. First of all, it was arguable the team wasn’t even that close. None of those Finals runs were predicted after all. So mortgaging your future on a team that isn’t even a true contender is a big ask.

Second, sometimes you get EXACTLY what you’re asking for…and it’s a Terry Rozier, or a Ricky Davis (older Heat fans remember that one). So be careful what you wish for.

Rickkkkkky. Jesus my Dad hated that dude with such a passion. I gotta call him and ask him how feels about Ricky, he's gonna lose it. Bahaha

Ricky was a cool dude. I think his first stint with the Heat, Pat would of made him an all-star. The 2nd stint Ricky was pretty much done. During his second stint he use to workout and Hoop at the LA fitness at Sunset.

[twix2500]

Mashburn had the talent, but he was weak in the head and chest.

It pissed me off when he torched the Heat in that Hornets series the year Zo tried to come back from his kidney ailment. All I could think was, "where the hell was this in those Knicks series?"

But besides criticisms of mental toughness, there's also the fact Mitch would have fit better purely on the basis of being a better shooter. I know there weren't near as many 3's taken back then, but spacing still matters and Mash was more a midrange guy. That's one of my favorite Heat what-ifs, what if the 96-97 team gets Mitch at the deadline instead of Mashburn. Riley wanted him not just for scoring, but he was known as one of the guys who gave MJ at least small fits when guarding him.

Yeah Heat kept pushing for Mitch and there was plenty of interviews where Riley was saying how he wanted a player who can could match up against Jordan. The king was just stubborn for a long time. I belive the lineup Riley was trying to build at the time was Hardaway, Richmond, Howard, Brown and Zo.

[Hoops3355]

Mashburn had the talent, but he was weak in the head and chest.

It pissed me off when he torched the Heat in that Hornets series the year Zo tried to come back from his kidney ailment. All I could think was, "where the hell was this in those Knicks series?"

But besides criticisms of mental toughness, there's also the fact Mitch would have fit better purely on the basis of being a better shooter. I know there weren't near as many 3's taken back then, but spacing still matters and Mash was more a midrange guy. That's one of my favorite Heat what-ifs, what if the 96-97 team gets Mitch at the deadline instead of Mashburn. Riley wanted him not just for scoring, but he was known as one of the guys who gave MJ at least small fits when guarding him.

Yeah Heat kept pushing for Mitch and there was plenty of interviews where Riley was saying how he wanted a player who can could match up against Jordan. The king was just stubborn for a long time. I belive the lineup Riley was trying to build at the time was Hardaway, Richmond, Howard, Brown and Zo.

That team would have cooked. Richmond was such a waste on the Kings.

[broke]

And another thing, fans try to pin the Lowry signing on Jimmy because Jimmy and Lowry are tight and Jimmy wanted him here.

But ... and I can't stress this enough ... Jimmy doesn't have the power to sign anyone at any price. That's Pat. If Jimmy could spend the Heat's money, he would have given himself an extension. The fact that Pat made a poor decision in order to appease Jimmy doesn't absolve him of his total responsibility for the boneheaded move.

It only looks poor in hindsight though. The contract was always a bit high yes, but Lowry was a player playing a position we needed who just also happened to be Jimmy's mate. The FO had to have thought that acquiring Lowry was a coup because it filled a position of need AND we get someone JB likely signed off on. Didn't pan out quite as it could have, and Lowry ultimately was a dud. When do players become accountable for their actions and play? Also, there isn't a front office in the league that gets every single decision correct every time. People worried about us being a play in team now without Jimmy, we're a play in team WITH Jimmy.

[twix2500]

And another thing, fans try to pin the Lowry signing on Jimmy because Jimmy and Lowry are tight and Jimmy wanted him here.

But ... and I can't stress this enough ... Jimmy doesn't have the power to sign anyone at any price. That's Pat. If Jimmy could spend the Heat's money, he would have given himself an extension. The fact that Pat made a poor decision in order to appease Jimmy doesn't absolve him of his total responsibility for the boneheaded move.

It only looks poor in hindsight though. The contract was always a bit high yes, but Lowry was a player playing a position we needed who just also happened to be Jimmy's mate. The FO had to have thought that acquiring Lowry was a coup because it filled a position of need AND we get someone JB likely signed off on. Didn't pan out quite as it could have, and Lowry ultimately was a dud. When do players become accountable for their actions and play? Also, there isn't a front office in the league that gets every single decision correct every time. People worried about us being a play in team now without Jimmy, we're a play in team WITH Jimmy.

Then if you do not get Lowry 3ammy would be complaining about missing another one.

[twix2500]

Guarantee Riley knew Jimmy was at prime 112 too, he's got eyes/ears everywhere, so him not airing that dirty laundry if anything was him trying to give Jimmy a chance. I get why people are upset at the end of season press conference, but the more I hear, the more this seems like purely Jimmy at fault at this point.

I am gonna keep repeating the problems started yrs before the press conference. The press conference was a reaction to what's been going on. That press conference was to let the TEAM know when you come back after the summer things are changing. And for Butler camp to try to paint his father death as to what Riley was saying is dirty