2025 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread

[DayofMourning]

Courtesy of NJ:

"Since I came here we always say we’re going to play fast every year, we don’t really do it, we kind of go back to the slow pace…this year from the jump he (Spo) really wanted play this way…it will for sure help us look better."

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Spo says Ware would’ve started game 1 if not for his neck and ankle injuries from the prior practice

[KingDavid]

The Heat likely wouldn't have traded for him with that type of liability attached to him. Most teams wouldn't; take a look at Malik Beasley. Your front office knew about the illegal actions, the NBA knew about the illegal actions, both tried to sweep it under the rug and wash their hands of it while Miami was left holding the bag. If the heat knew, I'd agree with you. But they didn't. Do you know what that's called in litigation?.........Neither do I, but I want something back for getting bamboozled dammit!

It is concealment and would easily lead to a breach of contract in legal context.

No one "KNOWS" whether the Hornets or the NBA "KNEW" of any illegal actions. You can’t just OFFICIALLY pass rumors or suspicions. There has to be a declaration before one officially acts. If the NBA or even the Hornets start spreading the word that Rozier is committing gambling fraud without a declaration or taking any action, they are putting themselves in a huge lawsuit. The biggest problem is the NBA has partnered with gambling, which puts EVERYONE in the industry in the room with criminals and scammers. Thus, the NBA can’t act because of association. If the Heat or the NBA finds out that the HORNETS knew he was committing illegal actions, then yeah, there is a case for the Heat. But the Heat has to find out that either the Hornets or the NBA "KNEW" Rozier was breaking the NBA laws and rules. There are always employees with rumors.

"[Barry] The NBA was alerted to the suspicious betting activity involving Rozier on night it happened and then cleared him in its own private investigation. Thus, NBA felt no obligation to tell the Heat and other teams to steer clear of trading for him, essentially. All very unfortunate."

Congress is questioning Adam Silver now....they knew. We're passed that stage. What the NBA isn't disclosing is why they withheld that information from the Heat when they finalized the trade. That is cut & dry bad faith.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

It is concealment and would easily lead to a breach of contract in legal context.

No one "KNOWS" whether the Hornets or the NBA "KNEW" of any illegal actions. You can’t just OFFICIALLY pass rumors or suspicions. There has to be a declaration before one officially acts. If the NBA or even the Hornets start spreading the word that Rozier is committing gambling fraud without a declaration or taking any action, they are putting themselves in a huge lawsuit. The biggest problem is the NBA has partnered with gambling, which puts EVERYONE in the industry in the room with criminals and scammers. Thus, the NBA can’t act because of association. If the Heat or the NBA finds out that the HORNETS knew he was committing illegal actions, then yeah, there is a case for the Heat. But the Heat has to find out that either the Hornets or the NBA "KNEW" Rozier was breaking the NBA laws and rules. There are always employees with rumors.

"[Barry] The NBA was alerted to the suspicious betting activity involving Rozier on night it happened and then cleared him in its own private investigation. Thus, NBA felt no obligation to tell the Heat and other teams to steer clear of trading for him, essentially. All very unfortunate."

Congress is questioning Adam Silver now....they knew. We're passed that stage. What the NBA isn't disclosing is why they withheld that information from the Heat when they finalized the trade. That is cut & dry bad faith.

The NBA should adopt a Player File for every single player. All NBA investigations need to be added to this file at the league office, and teams can request this file at times of trades. All relevant info needs to be there.

Basically it would look something like this :

Player : Terry Rozier
- NBA investigated allegations of gambling, January 2023

etc

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Spurs should trade Fox, these young guards are studs and need all the reps next to Wemby. Won’t happen but I’d love to see Fox in this fast paced offense we’re running

[HeatFanLifer]

The NBA should adopt a Player File for every single player. All NBA investigations need to be added to this file at the league office, and teams can request this file at times of trades. All relevant info needs to be there.

Basically it would look something like this :

Player : Terry Rozier
- NBA investigated allegations of gambling, January 2023

etc

The union would flip out over that.

[contract]

Bam is off to another horrible start this season shooting the ball. His efficiency has gone to hell.

A'ja is robbing him of his legs.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam is off to another horrible start this season shooting the ball. His efficiency has gone to hell.

A'ja is robbing him of his legs.

And we’re STILL winning (pretty convincingly)! Just wait until he finds his touch

[Crazy-Canuck]

Spurs should trade Fox, these young guards are studs and need all the reps next to Wemby. Won’t happen but I’d love to see Fox in this fast paced offense we’re running

I actually think they'd listen to an offer around Powell, wiggins, and alot of draft capital (considering what they gave up for him) if they are in contention.

Riley would have to be content that a fox,herro, bam for 180M would be a good enough core to contend in the east. And get enough 2 way play from their SF and PF/C.

That defense could get rough.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Bam is off to another horrible start this season shooting the ball. His efficiency has gone to hell.

A'ja is robbing him of his legs.

And we’re STILL winning (pretty convincingly)! Just wait until he finds his touch

I dont have any problems with bams play. Imo, people are only looking at the results without context.

[Wiltside]

Bam is off to another horrible start this season shooting the ball. His efficiency has gone to hell.

A'ja is robbing him of his legs.

And we’re STILL winning (pretty convincingly)! Just wait until he finds his touch

No issue with how Bam's playing at the moment. He'll get that efficiency up. I love that he's being aggressive and shooting without hesitation.

[contract]

Spurs should trade Fox, these young guards are studs and need all the reps next to Wemby. Won’t happen but I’d love to see Fox in this fast paced offense we’re running

I actually think they'd listen to an offer around Powell, wiggins, and alot of draft capital (considering what they gave up for him) if they are in contention.

Riley would have to be content that a fox,herro, bam for 180M would be a good enough core to contend in the east. And get enough 2 way play from their SF and PF/C.

That defense could get rough.

Bam/Fox/Herro is not a championship core.

[Vertical Limit]

So far Powell has shown he is a better fit in spo’s offense over Herro and likely a better player.. and he can be had long term for a fraction of what Herro is looking for money wise.

[RexBoyWonder]

So far Powell has shown he is a better fit in spo’s offense over Herro and likely a better player.. and he can be had long term for a fraction of what Herro is looking for money wise.

Agreed, only issue is he's existing his prime as we speak. we really want to keep him long term for his decline?

[Hallstar]

So far Powell has shown he is a better fit in spo’s offense over Herro and likely a better player.. and he can be had long term for a fraction of what Herro is looking for money wise.

Lol, when did this happen? With Jimmy sabotaging the team and Rozier doing God knows what, Herro was putting up 25ppg on 40+ from 3 in a very bootleg version of this offense early last year. This is exactly why I said Powell will help the team when people were predicting 35 wins. When Powell AND Herro are out there this offense becomes unguardable.

[RexBoyWonder]

2 worst personal moves in Heat history :

1) drafting Beasley the bust. We got lucky and recovered with the big 3 soon after.

2) trading what is likely to a lottery pick for a bench warming criminal, that killed us on the court while killing the gambling lines.

Can we recover? We need to be a strong team by next year to not give up a golden pick.

[RexBoyWonder]

So far Powell has shown he is a better fit in spo’s offense over Herro and likely a better player.. and he can be had long term for a fraction of what Herro is looking for money wise.

Lol, when did this happen? With Jimmy sabotaging the team and Rozier doing God knows what, Herro was putting up 25ppg on 40+ from 3 in a very bootleg version of this offense early last year. This is exactly why I said Powell will help the team when people were predicting 35 wins. When Powell AND Herro are out there this offense becomes unguardable.

[Vertical Limit]

So far Powell has shown he is a better fit in spo’s offense over Herro and likely a better player.. and he can be had long term for a fraction of what Herro is looking for money wise.

Agreed, only issue is he's existing his prime as we speak. we really want to keep him long term for his decline?

I rather powell at 4 year 100 than herro at 4 year 206 million

And no i dont think they can co exist on the floor together. Herro is not even an average off the ball player. He needs the ball on his hand and he needs a lot of volume to get going.

Also powell has a bigger bag offensively and more efficient

[twix2500]

It is concealment and would easily lead to a breach of contract in legal context.

No one "KNOWS" whether the Hornets or the NBA "KNEW" of any illegal actions. You can’t just OFFICIALLY pass rumors or suspicions. There has to be a declaration before one officially acts. If the NBA or even the Hornets start spreading the word that Rozier is committing gambling fraud without a declaration or taking any action, they are putting themselves in a huge lawsuit. The biggest problem is the NBA has partnered with gambling, which puts EVERYONE in the industry in the room with criminals and scammers. Thus, the NBA can’t act because of association. If the Heat or the NBA finds out that the HORNETS knew he was committing illegal actions, then yeah, there is a case for the Heat. But the Heat has to find out that either the Hornets or the NBA "KNEW" Rozier was breaking the NBA laws and rules. There are always employees with rumors.

"[Barry] The NBA was alerted to the suspicious betting activity involving Rozier on night it happened and then cleared him in its own private investigation. Thus, NBA felt no obligation to tell the Heat and other teams to steer clear of trading for him, essentially. All very unfortunate."

Congress is questioning Adam Silver now....they knew. We're passed that stage. What the NBA isn't disclosing is why they withheld that information from the Heat when they finalized the trade. That is cut & dry bad faith.

"Alerted to the suspicious" is not equivalent to knowing. That is called a complaint, which is equivalent to a rumor. It's the reason they looked into it. It was likely the losing bettors who reported their suspicion. The FBI was investigating the Mafia and Porter (NBA had an official declaration and punishment on Porter), which likely led an arrest/snitch, who gave sufficient evidence on Rozier to the FBI, that the NBA wasn't privy too.

The way you alert teams is by an official declaration and punishment. It's like a complaint box at work. Only the investigating body "should" only know what's in the complaint box until an official declaration and punishment is given. I was part of a investigating body for 10 years. You can't just tell anyone outside the investigating body.

If the NBA found violations that is a federal crime, they are obligated to report it to the authorities.

[Crazy-Canuck]

So far Powell has shown he is a better fit in spo’s offense over Herro and likely a better player.. and he can be had long term for a fraction of what Herro is looking for money wise.

Agreed, only issue is he's existing his prime as we speak. we really want to keep him long term for his decline?

I rather powell at 4 year 100 than herro at 4 year 206 million

And no i dont think they can co exist on the floor together. Herro is not even an average off the ball player. He needs the ball on his hand and he needs a lot of volume to get going.

Also powell has a bigger bag offensively and more efficient

While both are 1 way players, powell's ability to get to the rim is needed.

I think they could do it just fine offensively. Defensive, is the question.

Offense is grabbing headlines, but its the defense that is the driving force for this team.

3rd best in the league so far facing a tough early schedule. The team is playing tough gritty defense; contesting and turning the opponents over.

Powell has one of our worst contest rates, but his defg has been pretty good. His contest rate is low because he loses his man off ball or or just leaves his man open. Now add herro to the mix while having to take out Mitchell or Wiggins. Imo, having another weak defender next to powell is just asking for trouble.

Ware, bam, wiggs, and davion are tops for contests with Mitchell being the only one on the team with a ++ def fg% (pelle is+35%, in limited minutes though).

So adding herro will likely improve the offense, but definitely hurt the defense. Could be better or could get worse.