The Retooling Thread: What do we do now

[Ballwise]

Don't think the Clips take that deal

[OAKTREE NYK1]

JCN is cool with me for sure.

[G.cracker]

I thinner than Steven King up front.

What do you mean by that? King has a full head of hair. And his stories typically rock the sh*t out of the box. In CELL, throats were getting ripped in the first five pages!

[unowen85]

Williams, Davis, Blount for Starbury. I've been asking for Starbury since last year, hurry up and do this Riley. The '09 offseason is where it's at.

[HeatInOhio]

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What do you mean by that? King has a full head of hair. And his stories typically rock the sh*t out of the box. In CELL, throats were getting ripped in the first five pages!

just a play on words...

[daniel3]

Trade: Jwill & Ricky for Bibby (lol)
Draft: Beasley (yeah right)

PG-Bibby,Banks,Quinn(resigned)
SG-Wade,Cook
SF-Dorell,Beasley(yes hes a backup for now)
PF-Marion,Haslem
C-Blount,Mourning(we piece him together and convince him 1 more time), best center we can acquire (through 2nd rnd of draft or FA)

[LEIF]

Trade: Jwill & Ricky for Bibby (lol)
Draft: Beasley (yeah right)

PG-Bibby,Banks,Quinn(resigned)
SG-Wade,Cook
SF-Dorell,Beasley(yes hes a backup for now)
PF-Marion,Haslem
C-Blount,Mourning(we piece him together and convince him 1 more time), best center we can acquire (through 2nd rnd of draft or FA)

I would love that personally, except I would start Beasley and Marion or Haslem and Marion and bring DWright off the bench. also if Zo doesnt come back (unlikely according to my sources), we could use our MLE/LLE on a center like Diop and another shooter like Kareem Rush

[Ballwise]

We'll be over the tax in this scenario, so while we might agree, Mickey Arison might not.

[CRHeel94]

All we need is to get Mickey on this board so he can give Riles the green light.

[Ballwise]

Think we should try to get another 1st rd pick with our expirings. Teams that might deal theirs: Milwaukee, New Orleans, Houston, Suns, New York , Orlando, Golden State (if in playoffs, doubtfull given standings), others?

With another pick we can trade up, down or just pick another quality prospect in this deep draft. We'll still get value for an expiring and can address two needs with low-paid players.

[LEIF]

Think we should try to get another 1st rd pick with our expirings. Teams that might deal theirs: Milwaukee, New Orleans, Houston, Suns, New York , Orlando, Golden State (if in playoffs, doubtfull given standings), others?

With another pick we can trade up, down or just pick another quality prospect in this deep draft. We'll still get value for an expiring and can address two needs with low-paid players.

most important reason why I LOVE the idea of acquiring another 1st rounder this June.

[Ballwise]

Could we try to get Portland's first rounder for an expiring?

#1: Davis for somebody + pick?

#2: Haslem for 1st Pick, Frye, filler?

#3: Haslem and Davis for 1st Pick, La Frentz and Frye and R. Fernandez?

#4: Haslem and Blount and 2nd for 1st Pick, La Frentz ?

#5: Haslem, Davis and Smush for 1st, La Frentz and Frye?

Just some possibilities, not really any which seems to work for both teams I guess

[Mourning_Heat_33]

Haslem is key to this team's success and is an important piece. I don't want to lose him. But I have come to this realization: we need to make a big move this trade deadline. Riley doesn't have a lot of patience. And frankly, I don't either. This is how I see it right now. The salary cap is about 55-56 mil right now and will be in that vicinity until 2010. And until that summer, 2010, we will have 8 or so mil on Blount, 8 or so on Haslem, 15 or so on Wade, 15 or so on Marion, about 4 on Banks, and a combined 9 (or even more) on Wright, Cook and the 08 first pick. And by 2010, that's when Wade's contract is up too, meaning...

We can't afford NOT to make a move now that we have JWill/Ricky's expiring contracts to shop around for a max type player. Otherwise we risk not looking much different, except for the 08 pick, for a while. People on this board seem to be throwing Haslem's name around a lot, but I think he is extremely important to the Heat as it is, and I also think he is more valuable to the Heat than he is to other teams. He's a great soldier alongside Wade, an excellent complement. He's the dirty work, rebounding, pesky defender that we have always had around whenever we've had success (BG, PJ, G-Long). But to other teams...what could we honestly get for Haslem that would get us a star caliber type player. Haslem isn't going to blossom into a 20 10 player. We know that and other teams know that. But his 10 pts 9.5 rebounds and intangibles are invaluable to us. Other teams want expiring contracts. Look at the KG trade. And the Gasol trade.

Riley said he wants to do this rebuilding project ASAP. We have the assets (expiring contracts and future picks) to make that happen this trading deadline. In fact, I've notice not a whole lot of other teams have much in terms of expiring deals, yet there are a lot of players toying with the idea of declaring free agency like Brand, Arenas, Maggette, Artest, etc. We will have to bite the bullet of the future and trade future first rounders like the Lakers and Mavs did to get their big name guys. We already shopped one to dump Walker, but we should still have at least two others.

And between Wade, Wright, Cook and the 08 pick we should have enough young'n's to not be overly upset about not having any first rounders for three straight years from '09 to '11. Anyways, that's how it was for us anyways in the late 90s when we were on a major, multi-year playoff run.

This is our chance to make this happen, and as a result, be pretty much done with rebuilding. From the basic look of it, I think a 3-way type trade of us sending away JWill/Ricky and one 1st rounder away to another team that wants cap space (team B). Team B then sends a disgruntled veteran star looking for a new setting to team C, along with the Heat's other first rounder. And team C sends a distrungtled star type to Miami. If this can be done with two teams, then that would be great too.

Why did I make this a 3-team deal? Because I want Elton Brand. And, although I'm not sure, I don't think the Clippers are looking to necessarily unload Brand for expiring contracts. Expiring contracts, Cook, and 2 first rounds..I think they'd like that, but I'd also want at least a shooter or a center from them if that's the case.

That's pretty much it. Bottom line: we need to make a move now. And I think JWill/Ricky's contract combination and a couple picks can make it happen.

[twix2500]

whats up peeps, long time no see. Still havent replaced my computer equipment since the robbery of the Shawn Taylor murder.

But anyways, I think Riley is in talks with Clippers of acquiring Elton Brand. But I doubt the Clips would bit on anything the Heat are offering. Its a good chance that Brand opts out this summer. IMO I could see the Heat offering Wright, Haslem and Jason Williams. Then the Heat wanting to trade Ricky Davis and and Deaquan Cook for Mike Miller. Then adding vets in free agency and drafting a top flight point guard. Derrick Rose or O.J. Mayo.

Derrick Rose or OJ Mayo/ Marcus Banks
Dwayne Wade/ Mike Miller
Shawn Marion/ Mike Miller
Elton Brand
Mark Blount

[MartyConlonJr]

Basically, when you look at all our players, reserve and starting, we have

C - ? / Blount
PF - ? / Haslem
SF - Marion / Wright
SG - Wade / Cook
PG - ? / Banks

Now you can argue Haslem, Wright or Blount as starters, but they are not guys I feel comfortable will win their matchups on most nights. Wade and Marion are bonafide starters on any team, and the other 5 listed are dependable back ups. We will either get Beasley (SF/PF) or a starting quality guard (Rose/Gordon/Mayo/Bayless) so we should have the MLE left to acquire a player ,and then we'll have a gap somewhere. One of our expirings needs to be moved for a quality player at a need position (optimally one where there aren't quality MLE type FA's) then the 3 positions will be secured by the three outlets we have, trade, draft and exception.

[GameTime_3]

w.e we do we must send Blount in the deal. I love haslem but if we can rid our selfs of blounts contract then we can rebuild this thing in a second. Haslem-Blount for expiring. If Dallas makes the jkidd deal and they still have van horn, you think they would send him for blount so that they would have a center?

[LEIF]

whats up peeps, long time no see. Still havent replaced my computer equipment since the robbery of the Shawn Taylor murder.

But anyways, I think Riley is in talks with Clippers of acquiring Elton Brand. But I doubt the Clips would bit on anything the Heat are offering. Its a good chance that Brand opts out this summer. IMO I could see the Heat offering Wright, Haslem and Jason Williams. Then the Heat wanting to trade Ricky Davis and and Deaquan Cook for Mike Miller. Then adding vets in free agency and drafting a top flight point guard. Derrick Rose or O.J. Mayo.

what a score that would be if Riley could pull it off...

[Ballwise]

"Basically, when you look at all our players, reserve and starting, we have

C - ? / Blount
PF - ? / Haslem
SF - Marion / Wright
SG - Wade / Cook
PG - ? / Banks

Now you can argue Haslem, Wright or Blount as starters, but they are not guys I feel comfortable will win their matchups on most nights."

I totally agree. Actually one of our big problems is the combined money these back-ups make: They earn around 20 M $ in total and honestly we should add Smush and his 2.2 mill giving us a payroll of 22 mil $ for a good though not great bench. Given that the cap is somewhere around 57 mill that means we are almost giving 40% of our cap to bench players

If you compare that % of spending on bench players with other teams you'll quickly see why we are in trouble. Teams like SA, Lakers, Detroit,... they pay good money for starters and have maximum only one overpaid bench guy (thinking about Vlad Rad, Malik Rose and Nazr Mohammed before).

[GameTime_3]

"Basically, when you look at all our players, reserve and starting, we have

C - ? / Blount
PF - ? / Haslem
SF - Marion / Wright
SG - Wade / Cook
PG - ? / Banks

Now you can argue Haslem, Wright or Blount as starters, but they are not guys I feel comfortable will win their matchups on most nights."
I totally agree. Actually one of our big problems is the combined money these back-ups make: They earn around 20 M $ in total and honestly we should add Smush and his 2.2 mill giving us a payroll of 22 mil $ for a good though not great bench. Given that the cap is somewhere around 57 mill that means we are almost giving 40% of our cap to bench players

If you compare that % of spending on bench players with other teams you'll quickly see why we are in trouble. Teams like SA, Lakers, Detroit,... they pay good money for starters and have maximum only one overpaid bench guy (thinking about Vlad Rad, Malik Rose and Nazr Mohammed before).

Wright is probley better as a backup but haslem was the starting PF during the chip

[Ballwise]

"Basically, when you look at all our players, reserve and starting, we have

C - ? / Blount
PF - ? / Haslem
SF - Marion / Wright
SG - Wade / Cook
PG - ? / Banks

Now you can argue Haslem, Wright or Blount as starters, but they are not guys I feel comfortable will win their matchups on most nights." This is a quote form MartyConlon.

Ok, Haslem might be our starter but if we start him we'll need a shotblocking Center who's good on offense and those don't grow on trees. But you're point is taken. Anyway, count Haslem as a starter and we're still giving 16 mill to bench players without a back-up PF. Not that that is insane, but you'll have to admit that it is a high figure given their production or quality.