Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

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Hassan doesn't really need the craftiness of Marc Gasol but he'd help if he could at least make the hockey assist. Hassan's the only one who gets the double-triple treatment on the regular, I feel like if we had an offensive coach then we would have been exploiting that instead of all this Iso ball

Feel like if we started to make plays that involved him earlier in the shot clock, he could get these kind of hockey assists but the lack of off-ball movement is hurtin' us

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtqEzy-nqds[/youtube]

What Shaq was able to do with the ball weren't simple plays. The simple act of being able to accept the double team is a skill in and of it self which many players even great ones in todays game struggle with, one example being Blake Griffin another closer to home being Bosh.

When Hassan gets doubled in the post what I typically see is a guy who's struggling with the speed of the game. Defensively he has crazy shot blocking instincts, his timing is amazing but on offense when he gets the ball, makes his move and is then forced to pick up his dribble because of the double he struggles dealing with the multiple things that are going on.

Now this isn't some insurmountable obstacle. Plenty of bigs aren't good passers, Hassan is still very knew to the NBA. While he'll never be a play maker he'll learn and become comfortable enough to make the simple play.

[Bishop45]

Hassan doesn't really need the craftiness of Marc Gasol but he'd help if he could at least make the hockey assist. Hassan's the only one who gets the double-triple treatment on the regular, I feel like if we had an offensive coach then we would have been exploiting that instead of all this Iso ball

Feel like if we started to make plays that involved him earlier in the shot clock, he could get these kind of hockey assists but the lack of off-ball movement is hurtin' us

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtqEzy-nqds[/youtube]

What Shaq was able to do with the ball weren't simple plays. The simple act of being able to accept the double team is a skill in and of it self which many players even great ones in todays game struggle with, one example being Blake Griffin.

When Hassan gets doubled in the post what I typically see is a guy who's struggling with the speed of the game. Defensively he has crazy shot blocking instincts, his timing is amazing but on offense when he gets the ball, makes his move and is then forced to pick up his dribble because of the double he struggles dealing with the multiple things that are going on.

Now this isn't some insurmountable obstacle. Plenty of bigs aren't good passers, Hassan is still very knew to the NBA. While he'll never be a play maker he'll learn and become comfortable enough to make the simple play.

The pass is simple but the latter is a lot harder. Can't always deal with double teams by dunking on them, I'd like to see him get comfortable/coached on how to deal with the double. With his size and touch, if he could pose a threat as a play-maker he'd have everything set out for him. If we had better off-ball movement I think we do some work off of hockey assists. Blake doesn't live in the post and have to account for the double all the time, Hassan's going to have to deal with it whether he wants to our not. I think it's difficult but definitely something he could get better at

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The pass is simple but the latter is a lot harder. Can't always deal with double teams by dunking on them, I'd like to see him get comfortable/coached on how to deal with the double. With his size and touch, if he could pose a threat as a play-maker he'd have everything set out for him. If we had better off-ball movement I think we do some work off of hockey assists. Blake doesn't live in the post and have to account for the double all the time, Hassan's going to have to deal with it whether he wants to our not. I think it's difficult but definitely something he could get better at

He could get better but that part of Shaq's game was one of the many reason why he was such a transcendent talent. Marc Gasol is the only center in the league today that comes close to Shaq's court vision.

Don't underrate how difficult those plays are for a big man. Very few can make them. Hassan learning to pass like that would basically be the difference between him being a potential all star and him being a generational talent. The talent or rather BB IQ gap between those two is huge, you either have it or you don't.

[RexBoyWonder]

On a general note - I think we all jumped the gun with the all "Whiteside getting max" thing.

His max will be 22.5Mil.

It's true teams will spend big this summer, but honestly there's a good chance he's going to be in the 14-19 range.

Smallball trend, immaturity, his limitations, lack of sample size are all factor that could bring his market value down.

[Bishop45]

The pass is simple but the latter is a lot harder. Can't always deal with double teams by dunking on them, I'd like to see him get comfortable/coached on how to deal with the double. With his size and touch, if he could pose a threat as a play-maker he'd have everything set out for him. If we had better off-ball movement I think we do some work off of hockey assists. Blake doesn't live in the post and have to account for the double all the time, Hassan's going to have to deal with it whether he wants to our not. I think it's difficult but definitely something he could get better at

He could get better but that part of Shaq's game was one of the many reason why he was such a transcendent talent. Marc Gasol is the only center in the league today that comes close to Shaq's court vision.

Don't underrate how difficult those plays are for a big man. Very few can make them. Hassan learning to pass like that would basically be the difference between him being a potential all star and him being a generational talent. The talent or rather BB IQ gap between those two is huge, you either have it or you don't.

You get what I mean, maybe Shaq was a bad example lol

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On a general note - I think we all jumped the gun with the all "Whiteside getting max" thing.

His max will be 22.5Mil.

It's true teams will spend big this summer, but honestly there's a good chance he's going to be in the 14-19 range.

Smallball trend, immaturity, his limitations, lack of sample size are all factor that could bring his market value down.

Look at LA and NY last year, they were begging people to take their money and no one wanted to take it. This season its going to be the same thing but worse, limited amount of free agents with teams on average having $30mill+ in space with not enough free agents to spend it on.

I cannot imagine a scenario where he doesn't get the max it just doesn't make sense. I've seen inferior players with much less potential get overpaid. No one wants to go to LA, Dallas, NY, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Portland anyway. One of those teams won't give up the cash?

Hell if I'm the Rockets I'd rather max Whiteside than max the corpse of Dwight Howard.

[jereseja]

If he doesnt play another game these season somebody will give him 22.5 mil. Mutombo has been last one with Whiteside statistics so math is easy.

[Bishop45]

Whiteside's easily a max imo, whether or not he could play to his potential is what's to be seen

[Shewasfly]

Hassan is getting the double/triple team treatment because he's been scouted and everyone knows he will turn the ball over if you pressure him. Its not because they fear him in the post or something like he's Shaq. And to expect him to pass like Shaq is crazy too. I don't know what is so wrong with admitting that his ceiling is very possibly Deandre Jordan, instead of acting like the Heat staff andh is teammates are treating him so horrible by not considering him the first option on offense.

He should be getting more minutes in the 4th quarter, because if we can't score we should at least try to prevent the other team? But his role in the offense is just fine. Maybe it can increase when his footwork and BBIQ isn't so bad.

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Hassan is getting the double/triple team treatment because he's been scouted and everyone knows he will turn the ball over if you pressure him. Its not because they fear him in the post or something like he's Shaq. And to expect him to pass like Shaq is crazy too. I don't know what is so wrong with admitting that his ceiling is very possibly Deandre Jordan, instead of acting like the Heat staff andh is teammates are treating him so horrible by not considering him the first option on offense.

He should be getting more minutes in the 4th quarter, because if we can't score we should at least try to prevent the other team? But his role in the offense is just fine. Maybe it can increase when his footwork and BBIQ isn't so bad.

His ceiling isn't DeAndre Jordan, I've watched a lot of DeAndre Jordan and I know how much better Hassan currently is as well as how much better he can be.

It's just a really crappy situation as things stand. Our spacing sucks and it's easy to aggressively trap Hassan when the opposing defense decides to completely ignore Jutise or McBob on the perimeter.

I can think of a couple of different teams where Hassan could really flourish.

[gom]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he'll get more than 19, RexBoyWonder. A lot of teams are frothing with the idea of signing him, so there will be a market. Also, the free agent market doesn't exactly have a huge supply next year. People will keep money to get Durant but once he makes his choice, they'll circle Whiteside like vultures. The Lakers intend to get one or the other.

[jereseja]

Hassan is getting the double/triple team treatment because he's been scouted and everyone knows he will turn the ball over if you pressure him. Its not because they fear him in the post or something like he's Shaq. And to expect him to pass like Shaq is crazy too. I don't know what is so wrong with admitting that his ceiling is very possibly Deandre Jordan, instead of acting like the Heat staff andh is teammates are treating him so horrible by not considering him the first option on offense.

He should be getting more minutes in the 4th quarter, because if we can't score we should at least try to prevent the other team? But his role in the offense is just fine. Maybe it can increase when his footwork and BBIQ isn't so bad.

Alot of crap here.
his ceiling is very possibly Deandre Jordan(max player)
First Spo must have some offensive sheme for Whiteside then they must practice and then we could said what is his celling but Heat doesnt have 1 offfensive action for Whiteside until then i dont have crystal ball to know.

[Shewasfly]

Hassan is getting the double/triple team treatment because he's been scouted and everyone knows he will turn the ball over if you pressure him. Its not because they fear him in the post or something like he's Shaq. And to expect him to pass like Shaq is crazy too. I don't know what is so wrong with admitting that his ceiling is very possibly Deandre Jordan, instead of acting like the Heat staff andh is teammates are treating him so horrible by not considering him the first option on offense.

He should be getting more minutes in the 4th quarter, because if we can't score we should at least try to prevent the other team? But his role in the offense is just fine. Maybe it can increase when his footwork and BBIQ isn't so bad.

His ceiling isn't DeAndre Jordan, I've watched a lot of DeAndre Jordan and I know how much better Hassan currently is as well as how much better he can be.

It's just a really crappy situation as things stand. Our spacing sucks and it's easy to aggressively trap Hassan when the opposing defense decides to completely ignore Jutise or McBob on the perimeter.

I can think of a couple of different teams where Hassan could really flourish.

Couldn't you say that about anyone on the team though? That they'd flourish if they had spacing to work? Other than Bosh, no one is really getting a lot of open looks unless its people like Justise and Mcbob who can't score.

[Bishop45]

Hassan is getting the double/triple team treatment because he's been scouted and everyone knows he will turn the ball over if you pressure him. Its not because they fear him in the post or something like he's Shaq. And to expect him to pass like Shaq is crazy too. I don't know what is so wrong with admitting that his ceiling is very possibly Deandre Jordan, instead of acting like the Heat staff andh is teammates are treating him so horrible by not considering him the first option on offense.

He should be getting more minutes in the 4th quarter, because if we can't score we should at least try to prevent the other team? But his role in the offense is just fine. Maybe it can increase when his footwork and BBIQ isn't so bad.

A simple pass out of the double is all I was referring to, Shaq was great at considering the double and often passed it out before it could become a situation. That's all I was reffering too... Whiteside could help with Ball movement and probably land a few assists

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onJ_Z_AitM4[/youtube]

Simple. See the double, pass it out. Calm down.

As for everything else in that rant, I don't really know what you're talkng about

[QUIZ]

Hassan is getting the double/triple team treatment because he's been scouted and everyone knows he will turn the ball over if you pressure him. Its not because they fear him in the post or something like he's Shaq. And to expect him to pass like Shaq is crazy too. I don't know what is so wrong with admitting that his ceiling is very possibly Deandre Jordan, instead of acting like the Heat staff andh is teammates are treating him so horrible by not considering him the first option on offense.

He should be getting more minutes in the 4th quarter, because if we can't score we should at least try to prevent the other team? But his role in the offense is just fine. Maybe it can increase when his footwork and BBIQ isn't so bad.

His ceiling isn't DeAndre Jordan, I've watched a lot of DeAndre Jordan and I know how much better Hassan currently is as well as how much better he can be.

It's just a really crappy situation as things stand. Our spacing sucks and it's easy to aggressively trap Hassan when the opposing defense decides to completely ignore Jutise or McBob on the perimeter.

I can think of a couple of different teams where Hassan could really flourish.

Couldn't you say that about anyone on the team though? That they'd flourish if they had spacing to work? Other than Bosh, no one is really getting a lot of open looks unless its people like Justise and Mcbob who can't score.

Yeah you could. Do you think Goran is a 11 and 4 PG? Because he isn't, he's being suffocated in our system.

The fact that Wade is the only one who can get Hassan the ball doesn't help either.

Our 4 best players don't fit and I think we need to chose who we're going to keep going forward.

This is a transition year, next offseason we should see where Pat wants this team to go.

[QUIZ]

Bishop seeing the double team and passing out of it is not a simple play. Lol

That's the point you're undertaking how difficult that is for a big man.

[Shewasfly]

Hassan is getting the double/triple team treatment because he's been scouted and everyone knows he will turn the ball over if you pressure him. Its not because they fear him in the post or something like he's Shaq. And to expect him to pass like Shaq is crazy too. I don't know what is so wrong with admitting that his ceiling is very possibly Deandre Jordan, instead of acting like the Heat staff andh is teammates are treating him so horrible by not considering him the first option on offense.

He should be getting more minutes in the 4th quarter, because if we can't score we should at least try to prevent the other team? But his role in the offense is just fine. Maybe it can increase when his footwork and BBIQ isn't so bad.

Alot of crap here.
his ceiling is very possibly Deandre Jordan(max player)
First Spo must have some offensive sheme for Whiteside then they must practice and then we could said what is his celling but Heat doesnt have 1 offfensive action for Whiteside until then i dont have crystal ball to know.

A lot of stupidity here.

Because I didn't mention a thing about how much Whiteside would get paid. He will definitely get offered the max despite his limitations, just like how Deandre got the max despite his limitations. What I'm talking about is all the complaining about his game and what he's being allowed to do.

[Shewasfly]

Hassan is getting the double/triple team treatment because he's been scouted and everyone knows he will turn the ball over if you pressure him. Its not because they fear him in the post or something like he's Shaq. And to expect him to pass like Shaq is crazy too. I don't know what is so wrong with admitting that his ceiling is very possibly Deandre Jordan, instead of acting like the Heat staff andh is teammates are treating him so horrible by not considering him the first option on offense.

He should be getting more minutes in the 4th quarter, because if we can't score we should at least try to prevent the other team? But his role in the offense is just fine. Maybe it can increase when his footwork and BBIQ isn't so bad.

A simple pass out of the double is all I was referring to, Shaq was great at considering the double and often passed it out before it could become a situation. That's all I was reffering too... Whiteside could help with Ball movement and probably land a few assists

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onJ_Z_AitM4[/youtube]

Simple. See the double, pass it out. Calm down.

As for everything else in that rant, I don't really know what you're talkng about

Passing out of the double is not so easy, I dunno what makes you think that.

As for your last sentence, you act like I quoted you I didn't even read any of your posts here.

[Bishop45]

Passing out of the double is not so easy, I dunno what makes you think that.

As for your last sentence, you act like I quoted you I didn't even read any of your posts here.

It seemed directed towards everybody, @ somebody next time.

Passing out of a double and seeing the double, then kicking it out are two different things. A simple touch pass

[Shewasfly]

His ceiling isn't DeAndre Jordan, I've watched a lot of DeAndre Jordan and I know how much better Hassan currently is as well as how much better he can be.

It's just a really crappy situation as things stand. Our spacing sucks and it's easy to aggressively trap Hassan when the opposing defense decides to completely ignore Jutise or McBob on the perimeter.

I can think of a couple of different teams where Hassan could really flourish.

Couldn't you say that about anyone on the team though? That they'd flourish if they had spacing to work? Other than Bosh, no one is really getting a lot of open looks unless its people like Justise and Mcbob who can't score.

Yeah you could. Do you think Goran is a 11 and 4 PG? Because he isn't, he's being suffocated in our system.

The fact that Wade is the only one who can get Hassan the ball doesn't help either.

Our 4 best players don't fit and I think we need to chose who we're going to keep going forward.

This is a transition year, next offseason we should see where Pat wants this team to go.

I don't think Dragic is an 11 and 4 player, but I also didn't think he was worth the contract we gave him, unlike Hassan who I think will be worth the max because of what he can do on defense. And on the contrary, I feel like with a better coach with a real scheme our 4 best players could be made to work just fine. I really hope we aren't taking this as a transition year. We do have enough to actually compete now, just missing pieces.

And for everyone concerned about keeping Hassan, we should hope they don't consider it a transition year bc winning might be something to keep him here if all the teams can offer the same max as us.