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MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#221 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jun 4, 2021 4:58 pm

BenoUdrihFTL wrote:Outside of including Butler or Bam I can't see us having any realistic shot at Dame. A team like the Warriors could offer their 2021 lottery pick + future picks + Wolves lottery pick + Wiseman + Wiggins to make the numbers work. That's the kinda draft capital haul a rebuilding Portland would need to move on from their franchise player, Dame is from Oakland and I assume would love the trade, and Warriors would be kinda crazy to pass on a Steph/Dame/Klay/Dray superteam that would likely vault them to consensus favorites out West

Meanwhile we could offer Herro + DRob s&t + Gabe Vincent + a few FRPs 20 years from now lol

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#222 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:13 pm

The current cap projection is just over $112 million.

Jimmy = 36
Bam = 28
Herro = 4
Precious 2.7
KZ = 1.7
Robinson cap hold = 4

Total = 76.5

Open cap space left for free agents = 35.5


Kawhi's max = 39


We can add Kawhi in free agency if Clippers implode and he wants to leave. It just means we'll let go of Herro/Duncan/Precious+KZ.

Then we can use BAE, MLE, etc.



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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#223 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:26 pm

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#224 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:30 pm

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contract wrote:If Zo survived and thrived playing against Shaq, Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson, Duncan, Sabonis, Mutombo, and a ton of other bigger guys, I think Bam can survive vs the current crop of centers.

Bam needs to grow a pair and take the open 10 footers or he's going to be useless on offense at any position.



Bam needs to own the mid range, regardless of what position he plays. He has to grow the scoring part of his game, that's his first and only priority.


But if you listen very carefully to Pat, you can sense he wants to nudge Spo into play bigger. I think smallball won't work without having multipole ELITE wings/guards. We don't have that at all.

My sense it that we're heading to a complete overhaul - Everyone expet Jimmy and Bam are very available for trades.

Herro is the biggest X factor, I'm a bit down on him but IF he can make a jump and become a better consistent scorer, that would be crucial in our quest to contending.

Pat is an oldhead. I hope Spo pushes back.

This team lacks talent and Pat has to take responsibility for that. And if Pat wants to go big he needs to find big talent, not insist that Spo plays Bam with some imaginary big that he hasn't drafted or signed. And maybe don't draft an even smaller "big" than Bam and then wonder why you're playing small.

Pat literally traded away Olynyk for a broken down guard and then complains that we're playing too small? :roll:

Meh Spo went into the season with a roster that included Bam plus two floor-spacing bigs. Literally first game of the season Spo proceeds to start Bam at center flanked by Moe fkn Harkless at PF. Spo had his smallball mind already made up. He eventually went to Olynyk out of desperation, but then once Olynyk was traded in a high risk/reward move (that virtually everyone supported) and we acquired a legitimate defensive/rebounding center, Spo then refused to give Dedmon and Bam any minutes together

Btw does anyone else question how Olynyk was utilized here? There were obviously fewer mouths to feed in Houston but KO put up 19/8/4 on a hyper-efficient 67% TS with a 123 ORTG, so not entirely empty stats. He only took 2.2 more shots as a Rocket but the big thing is his FTA jumped from 0.9 in Miami to 5.0 in Houston where he was actually allowed to create with the ball rather than just spotting up and chucking 3s after 20+ secs of Butler or Bam stalling with the ball. Houston with Olynyk on the floor actually had a better ORTG than Miami did for the season lol
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#225 » by Yacks84 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:57 pm

BenoUdrihFTL wrote:Outside of including Butler or Bam I can't see us having any realistic shot at Dame. Just for brutal perspective: a team like the Warriors could offer their 2021 lottery pick + future picks + Wolves lottery pick + Wiseman + Wiggins to make the numbers work. That's the kinda draft capital haul a rebuilding Portland would need to move on from their franchise player, Dame is from Oakland and I assume would love the trade, and Warriors would be kinda crazy to pass on a Steph/Dame/Klay/Dray superteam that would likely vault them to consensus favorites out West

Meanwhile we could offer Herro + DRob s&t + Gabe Vincent + a few FRPs 20 years from now lol



You say that but you could obviously include Bam in the discussion. I think Dame is the kind of player where that becomes a possibility of moving Bam. Bam, Herro, and a first plus fillers could possibly get the conversation going.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#226 » by Hallstar » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:11 pm

Sorry, but if I'm getting Dame, I trade Jimmy before Bam. Jimmy is not an explosive scorer by any means and if I'm taking the ball out of his hands, what does he bring at an elite level? Bam is still the best defender in the league for Giannis who remains a road block with or without Dame.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#227 » by twix2500 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:17 pm

How do you feel about Kuzma as a starting 4 next to Bam?

IMO Lakers need a shooting scoring combo guard like Nunn or Dragic.

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Post#228 » by Vertical Limit » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:37 pm

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#229 » by Vertical Limit » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:38 pm

twix2500 wrote:How do you feel about Kuzma as a starting 4 next to Bam?

IMO Lakers need a shooting scoring combo guard like Nunn or Dragic.

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Post#230 » by NBADraft2003 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:44 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:The current cap projection is just over $112 million.

Jimmy = 36
Bam = 28
Herro = 4
Precious 2.7
KZ = 1.7
Robinson cap hold = 4

Total = 76.5

Open cap space left for free agents = 35.5


Kawhi's max = 39


We can add Kawhi in free agency if Clippers implode and he wants to leave. It just means we'll let go of Herro/Duncan/Precious+KZ.

Then we can use BAE, MLE, etc.



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It’s less than that actually, still have to count roster charges if you renounce all other free agents except for Dunc.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#231 » by marson » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:50 pm

twix2500 wrote:How do you feel about Kuzma as a starting 4 next to Bam?

IMO Lakers need a shooting scoring combo guard like Nunn or Dragic.

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Post#232 » by Beenie » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:56 pm

If Dame is made available, I’d would only hope that Riley would make an aggressive offer. Port would obviously insist on any offer to include Bam and there ought to be zero hesitation from Mia in including Bam in a package for Dame.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#233 » by _GH0ST_ » Fri Jun 4, 2021 7:02 pm

Do you think guys Dame and Jimmy can get along well? Dame is a leader. Jimmy may not like it.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#234 » by Kobewade11 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 7:23 pm

Hallstar wrote:Sorry, but if I'm getting Dame, I trade Jimmy before Bam. Jimmy is not an explosive scorer by any means and if I'm taking the ball out of his hands, what does he bring at an elite level? Bam is still the best defender in the league for Giannis who remains a road block with or without Dame.

When teams blitz Dame you trust Bam to get buckets?
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#235 » by Kobewade11 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 7:24 pm

twix2500 wrote:How do you feel about Kuzma as a starting 4 next to Bam?

IMO Lakers need a shooting scoring combo guard like Nunn or Dragic.

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#236 » by Bishop45 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 7:39 pm

What progress do you want to see from Herro nxt SZN?
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#237 » by twix2500 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 7:52 pm

Bishop45 wrote:What progress do you want to see from Herro nxt SZN?
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#238 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Fri Jun 4, 2021 7:55 pm

Hallstar wrote:Sorry, but if I'm getting Dame, I trade Jimmy before Bam. Jimmy is not an explosive scorer by any means and if I'm taking the ball out of his hands, what does he bring at an elite level? Bam is still the best defender in the league for Giannis who remains a road block with or without Dame.

That still leaves Bam as the #2 on offense which he clearly is not. Any decent playoff defense would just throw the kitchen sink at Dame while Bam cowers from even attempting 10 foot jumpers

It's probably all moot anyways since it's very unlikely that Portland would want a 32yo Butler instead of 24yo Bam
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#239 » by twozeroMM » Fri Jun 4, 2021 8:15 pm

Bishop45 wrote:What progress do you want to see from Herro nxt SZN?

Attack more, learn how to draw contact better and get to the line. I think if he can do that, he'll naturally become more aggressive and that'll open up his game a little more.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#240 » by gom » Fri Jun 4, 2021 8:46 pm

Will lighten the spirit here.



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