2023 NBA Finals, The Last Stand: Heat @ Nuggets, 6/12 @ 8:30pm

[SA37]

We’re most likely not going to win tonight and after the last two games it’d probably be unrealistic to expect us to win, but man… would it be awesome and hilarious if we managed to pull it off.

It’s happened before, in the 2020 finals we looked dead in the water and Jimmy pulled out that game for us with an absolute masterclass performance. Maybe Jimmy can’t summon that level of play right now but our team is better than that 2020 team was after all the injuries.

Just get one. Keep the season alive

If Miami manages to pull out a win, all bets are off playing at home.

Either way, I hope Miami puts up a respectable offensive performance and gets over 100 points without getting blown out.

[3ballbomber]

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Aight Jimmy, F*ck it. As lifeless as you look I'ma ride w/ you one last time you sonofab*tch. Let's believe & let's get this thing back to Miami.




Let's channel this energy while we're at it......

HEAT ride & die till the end!

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[Flash4thewin]

On the bright side this will hopefully be Lowry last game as a member of the Heat.

[MHeat0279]

I didn’t see the last game (glad I didn’t) but still think the Jimmy criticism is too much. Dude put on a Superman cape for basically an entire month straight to get us to the middle of the ECF and now I think his legs are simply giving out. Every shot is short and the confidence is noticeably gone. I think the talk about him checking out mentally is so unfair. Obviously you’re not going to be out there talking **** if your body doesn’t feel right enough for you to back it up. I’m not happy that he can’t be Himmy right now either. But all I’m saying is, we should lay off of him. He’s not there physically and there has been enough talk about him being affected by something emotionally for me to leave him be considering we are nowhere near the finals without him. No matter how much y’all lower standards in order to lie and say Bam has been even near as impactful.

Also on Tyler, I’m almost positive whatever reason he’s being held out is not him and fully on the team/doctors. Say what you want about Tyler, but he’s not missing any opportunity to get some shots up unless there’s a reason. Might be his last season in a Heat jersey too, and I think he knows that. So doubt he wants this to be his exit.

Very good post to which i agree, but let me point out some things i have seen happening too many times here, The Jimmy talk I dont see it as being critic of him or much less diminishing what he did for us up to this point, its simply pointing out the lack of fire and emotion in this series ( for whatever reason it might be ) its obvious he is lacking the fire and explosiveness we saw at the beginning of the playoffs, i have not see a single post here saying Jimmy is a bum nad not our most important player in the team, actually totally the opposite i think everybody knows he is the heart and soul of this team. So i dont really get why some of you get kind of offended when somebody points out his subpar ( compared to the other series in the playoffs ) performance in this series.

[IceColdCubano]

On the bright side this will hopefully be Lowry last game as a member of the Heat.

Doubtful, I think he finishes his last year here. Nobody wants and old way way way past his prime small fatty point guard. Way back in the day expiring deals were something teams looked for. Those days are over, there isn't a market for expiring deals as much as we hope anymore. Usually you see this on years where big Free Agents are upcoming, so you are trying to lessen your bag by buying into expiring deals. However free agent movement is down across the board, and next year is not a savory offseason for a team to buy into the Lowry expiring. Miami is gonna eat this contract with ketchup and mustard until the last cent expires.

[MHeat0279]

I didn’t see the last game (glad I didn’t) but still think the Jimmy criticism is too much. Dude put on a Superman cape for basically an entire month straight to get us to the middle of the ECF and now I think his legs are simply giving out. Every shot is short and the confidence is noticeably gone. I think the talk about him checking out mentally is so unfair. Obviously you’re not going to be out there talking **** if your body doesn’t feel right enough for you to back it up. I’m not happy that he can’t be Himmy right now either. But all I’m saying is, we should lay off of him. He’s not there physically and there has been enough talk about him being affected by something emotionally for me to leave him be considering we are nowhere near the finals without him. No matter how much y’all lower standards in order to lie and say Bam has been even near as impactful.

Also on Tyler, I’m almost positive whatever reason he’s being held out is not him and fully on the team/doctors. Say what you want about Tyler, but he’s not missing any opportunity to get some shots up unless there’s a reason. Might be his last season in a Heat jersey too, and I think he knows that. So doubt he wants this to be his exit.

You don’t have sympathy for Jimmy just to put down bam, that’s not fair.

Come on now. Why is he somehow the only one off limits now? This is so bizarre. Idk how he became the most protected player on the team, but it’s pathetic. We can’t even ask him to be a THREAT to score 30 a night (without somebody stepping in to post defensive stats to excuse him), let alone do it. But we can ask Jimmy to score 40 a night over 3 months, or he quit and checked out. We can’t ask him to not turn the ball over once every four times he touches it, but I have to hear everybody else called trash every time they make a mistake. It’s ridic.

Me “putting down Bam” is not even that. I have nothing against him. I would trade him now for a star when his value is highest yes, but I’d just as happily keep him if the trade doesn’t make sense or he massively improves. The only thing I’m giving him is the same type of critique we give everyone else

Well, remember Bam has one of the biggest fandom clubs in this board. And i actually think he is having a good series taking into account his offensive shortcomings. On the other hand his defense will be important to the team success IF we get another proven scorer otherwise we are not winning S hit. Bam as a second scorer will not get it done.

[MHeat0279]

Let me ask ya'll somethin'....

Gun to your head who wld you put your money to score 30+ pts in gm5 Jimmy or Bam?

Jimmy's averaging 21.8pts & Bam 22.2pts.

LOl why do you do this man?

[IceColdCubano]

You don’t have sympathy for Jimmy just to put down bam, that’s not fair.

Come on now. Why is he somehow the only one off limits now? This is so bizarre. Idk how he became the most protected player on the team, but it’s pathetic. We can’t even ask him to be a THREAT to score 30 a night (without somebody stepping in to post defensive stats to excuse him), let alone do it. But we can ask Jimmy to score 40 a night over 3 months, or he quit and checked out. We can’t ask him to not turn the ball over once every four times he touches it, but I have to hear everybody else called trash every time they make a mistake. It’s ridic.

Me “putting down Bam” is not even that. I have nothing against him. I would trade him now for a star when his value is highest yes, but I’d just as happily keep him if the trade doesn’t make sense or he massively improves. The only thing I’m giving him is the same type of critique we give everyone else

Well, remember Bam has one of the biggest fandom clubs in this board. And i actually think he is having a good series taking into account his offensive shortcomings. On the other hand his defense will be important to the team success IF we get another proven scorer otherwise we are not winning S hit. Bam as a second scorer will not get it done.

Bam is having an amazing Defensive playoff run, but a terrible offensive one. Which settles him in the middle for blame, where we can say he is doing enough, however Jimmy is doing bad on both ends. Bam was asked to be more aggressive because Jimmy is coming up short in scoring and is failing massively by being a turnover machine and having his most inefficient scoring output ever. We all know what Bam's limitations are, I don't know why people keep pushing him to be something he isn't. I don't think he Bam is not gonna get some burn from the fandom, I just think they understand why its happening. What Jimmy has been struggling with this series is unexplainable unless he is truly hurt in a way were not even aware off apart from his ankle.

[MHeat0279]

Come on now. Why is he somehow the only one off limits now? This is so bizarre. Idk how he became the most protected player on the team, but it’s pathetic. We can’t even ask him to be a THREAT to score 30 a night (without somebody stepping in to post defensive stats to excuse him), let alone do it. But we can ask Jimmy to score 40 a night over 3 months, or he quit and checked out. We can’t ask him to not turn the ball over once every four times he touches it, but I have to hear everybody else called trash every time they make a mistake. It’s ridic.

Me “putting down Bam” is not even that. I have nothing against him. I would trade him now for a star when his value is highest yes, but I’d just as happily keep him if the trade doesn’t make sense or he massively improves. The only thing I’m giving him is the same type of critique we give everyone else

Well, remember Bam has one of the biggest fandom clubs in this board. And i actually think he is having a good series taking into account his offensive shortcomings. On the other hand his defense will be important to the team success IF we get another proven scorer otherwise we are not winning S hit. Bam as a second scorer will not get it done.

Bam is having an amazing Defensive playoff run, but a terrible offensive one. Which settles him in the middle for blame, where we can say he is doing enough, however Jimmy is doing bad on both ends. Bam was asked to be more aggressive because Jimmy is coming up short in scoring and is failing massively by being a turnover machine and having his most inefficient scoring output ever. We all know what Bam's limitations are, I don't know why people keep pushing him to be something he isn't. I don't think he Bam is not gonna get some burn from the fandom, I just think they understand why its happening. What Jimmy has been struggling with this series is unexplainable unless he is truly hurt in a way were not even aware off apart from his ankle.

Agree, by this time after all the years we should have a clear picture of Bam as a player, he will not magically be a good low post scorer ( which will be very good to get the other team in fould trouble ) his handles are very shaky as well ( another reason why i get confused when posters want him to be agreesive driving to the rim ) this is the main catalystic for a bunch of turnovers. Bam is who he is and will play an important part if we win another chip, but we need another proven scorer to get us to the finish line, we can not rely on bench players to play as starters for a full championship run, it will not happen. The margin of error for the Heat is very small due to the fact Denver can get very easy points by Jokic or his passing to other cutting or open players, all their offensive scheme comes from having a big with such talents. The notion that this team doesnt need size especially on defense is an absurd concept to me, they bring out the GSW ( without stating they had generational shooting talent, not only in Steph but also Clay ) It will always be easier to score 4 feet away from the basket than a contested 3 point shot, we simply do not have offensive advantage Denver has scoring down low.

[MHeat0279]

When a Heat fan states the obvious (viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2296443&start=60#:~:text=3ammy3uck3ts%20wrote%3A,bed%20at%20home) regarding the backcourt, nobody says anything. When a Knicks fan says essentially the same thing (Heat backcourt is simply bad), Heat fans take offense.

Enjoy your last game of the season tonight.

No offense at all, at least from me and i think i speak from a lot of people here, we are not a team supposed to be at this stage in the game, we are not built to win a conference finals much less an NBA finals, i mean take a look our roster and tell me anybody gave us a chance to beat Bucks and Celtics. That should tell you how hard we fight we the little talent we have. I am very happy and proud of our fighting nature and to make it all the way to the Finals, even by losing we will gain more experience in the big stage. We are not too far away from having a team you can count to be the in the finals again, so i will just patiently wait for another opportunity to arise.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Fwiw Jimmy’s numbers for the series are right around his season averages. Its not that he’s been horrible but more is needed with a chip on the line. Denver’s best players have risen to the occasion, ours have not..that includes Bam, he hasn’t played with the consistent force needed to win a title. What I would like to see tonight is some sort of fire from Jimmy, and for the majority of Bam’s Fg attempts to come at the rim in attacking fashion. If the leaders lead we just might be able to extend this thing.

This.

Butler's numbers have been "quiet"; he just hasn't been able to impact the game in ways we've seen him do so in other series or other years.

He didn’t coast all season to turn around and put up worse numbers in the finals than he did in the regular season

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The takes are wild

Bam has 7 turnovers in a game and now he’s always been an inefficient turnover machine and is what he is despite only being 25 and improving every single season of his career.

Some of you will never learn

[greg4012]

I didn’t see the last game (glad I didn’t) but still think the Jimmy criticism is too much. Dude put on a Superman cape for basically an entire month straight to get us to the middle of the ECF and now I think his legs are simply giving out. Every shot is short and the confidence is noticeably gone. I think the talk about him checking out mentally is so unfair. Obviously you’re not going to be out there talking **** if your body doesn’t feel right enough for you to back it up. I’m not happy that he can’t be Himmy right now either. But all I’m saying is, we should lay off of him. He’s not there physically and there has been enough talk about him being affected by something emotionally for me to leave him be considering we are nowhere near the finals without him. No matter how much y’all lower standards in order to lie and say Bam has been even near as impactful.

Also on Tyler, I’m almost positive whatever reason he’s being held out is not him and fully on the team/doctors. Say what you want about Tyler, but he’s not missing any opportunity to get some shots up unless there’s a reason. Might be his last season in a Heat jersey too, and I think he knows that. So doubt he wants this to be his exit.

Very good post to which i agree, but let me point out some things i have seen happening too many times here, The Jimmy talk I dont see it as being critic of him or much less diminishing what he did for us up to this point, its simply pointing out the lack of fire and emotion in this series ( for whatever reason it might be ) its obvious he is lacking the fire and explosiveness we saw at the beginning of the playoffs, i have not see a single post here saying Jimmy is a bum nad not our most important player in the team, actually totally the opposite i think everybody knows he is the heart and soul of this team. So i dont really get why some of you get kind of offended when somebody points out his subpar ( compared to the other series in the playoffs ) performance in this series.

DING DING DING

Sometimes it's not about trying to sh*t on one of our players to prop up another. I want all our players propped up because we need them all to do their thing for us to succeed

[Rapaz]

[greg4012]

On the bright side this will hopefully be Lowry last game as a member of the Heat.

Doubtful, I think he finishes his last year here. Nobody wants and old way way way past his prime small fatty point guard. Way back in the day expiring deals were something teams looked for. Those days are over, there isn't a market for expiring deals as much as we hope anymore. Usually you see this on years where big Free Agents are upcoming, so you are trying to lessen your bag by buying into expiring deals. However free agent movement is down across the board, and next year is not a savory offseason for a team to buy into the Lowry expiring. Miami is gonna eat this contract with ketchup and mustard until the last cent expires.

This upcoming offseason's free agent class is mid AF. Next offseason's FA class is actually better.

Didn't we just see the Lakers send out an expiring Westbrook + 2027 FRP to get back 3 players of value (Russel, Vanderbilt, Beasley)?

IMO starting this offseason Lowry's contract is no longer an impediment to a transaction and is rather a convenient way to aggregate chunks of salary to match in any trade of substance.

[SA37]

On the bright side this will hopefully be Lowry last game as a member of the Heat.

Doubtful, I think he finishes his last year here. Nobody wants and old way way way past his prime small fatty point guard. Way back in the day expiring deals were something teams looked for. Those days are over, there isn't a market for expiring deals as much as we hope anymore. Usually you see this on years where big Free Agents are upcoming, so you are trying to lessen your bag by buying into expiring deals. However free agent movement is down across the board, and next year is not a savory offseason for a team to buy into the Lowry expiring. Miami is gonna eat this contract with ketchup and mustard until the last cent expires.

I could see him being moved if Miami were trading for a big salary player, especially if he were going to a 3rd team with cap space or a (borderline) playoff team looking for vet leadership, like Memphis, New Orleans, Philadelphia (if they lose Harden), or Sacramento.

Still, I think you're right, Miami values him and would prefer to keep him. He's had a solid playoffs and shown he can contribute still, although that doesn't justify his salary.

[greg4012]

Well, remember Bam has one of the biggest fandom clubs in this board. And i actually think he is having a good series taking into account his offensive shortcomings. On the other hand his defense will be important to the team success IF we get another proven scorer otherwise we are not winning S hit. Bam as a second scorer will not get it done.

Bam is having an amazing Defensive playoff run, but a terrible offensive one. Which settles him in the middle for blame, where we can say he is doing enough, however Jimmy is doing bad on both ends. Bam was asked to be more aggressive because Jimmy is coming up short in scoring and is failing massively by being a turnover machine and having his most inefficient scoring output ever. We all know what Bam's limitations are, I don't know why people keep pushing him to be something he isn't. I don't think he Bam is not gonna get some burn from the fandom, I just think they understand why its happening. What Jimmy has been struggling with this series is unexplainable unless he is truly hurt in a way were not even aware off apart from his ankle.

Agree, by this time after all the years we should have a clear picture of Bam as a player, he will not magically be a good low post scorer ( which will be very good to get the other team in fould trouble ) his handles are very shaky as well ( another reason why i get confused when posters want him to be agreesive driving to the rim ) this is the main catalystic for a bunch of turnovers. Bam is who he is and will play an important part if we win another chip, but we need another proven scorer to get us to the finish line, we can not rely on bench players to play as starters for a full championship run, it will not happen. The margin of error for the Heat is very small due to the fact Denver can get very easy points by Jokic or his passing to other cutting or open players, all their offensive scheme comes from having a big with such talents. The notion that this team doesnt need size especially on defense is an absurd concept to me, they bring out the GSW ( without stating they had generational shooting talent, not only in Steph but also Clay ) It will always be easier to score 4 feet away from the basket than a contested 3 point shot, we simply do not have offensive advantage Denver has scoring down low.

Feel better?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Filter out moving screens since he’s the only one required to set 500 a game for the screen merchants to get a little daylight. That’ll more than likely cut out close to 1 per game

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Our Herro is coming

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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