Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’m researching this further but let’s say we execute an Irving trade and are hard capped at the first apron are we allowed to go over the first apron resigning our own players like Vincent and Strus since they have bird rights?

Got my answer from a recent article

That hard-cap rule does not affect the Heat’s ability to re-sign any of those five Heat free agents. Strus and Vincent have Bird Rights, and Love can be signed for up to $3.8 million.

[Spacely]

CP3 and Brook Lopez ain’t enough…y’all must want to go 0-3 in the finals this decade huh.

[Spacely]

It’s star or bust we aren’t winning a championship with Jimmy as number 1.

[AirP.]

It makes just about zero sense to trade Herro for Kyrie.

Herro for Dame is one thing. Unlikely the Blazers accept without wanting Bam, but if we can pull it off great. Kyrie on the other hand, makes no sense. He's a net negative at this point and has repeatedly shown unwillingness to do the exact things that got us to the Finals this year. Spo might be able to whip him into shape sure, but its not a burden I'd care to put on him or the coaching staff.

A trade for Kyrie should be around picks and salary relief like Lowry/Dipo. They get picks instead of giving him up for nothing, Kyrie locks up a likely nauseating long term deal, and we upgrade without giving up any additional player assets. You can then maybe flip Herro for a real big man/low post presence to put next to Bam.

I can already tell this off season trade thread is going to be full of idiotic proposals by agenda driven 'fans' though.

Dallas already spent 2 good players and 3 draft assets to take a chance on Kyrie, they're not going to just move on from him now without getting a big return in a S&T, they just need to get the right types of players around Luka and Kyrie, a defensive wing would help them greatly... you know like the one they traded in DFS to get Kyrie. Dallas is doing the smart thing, they're going after the top tier talent even if they have warts.

Getting Lillard will be complicated, Portland already has Simons, Sharpe and some other younger players with talent, they should rebuild but who knows. It'll take a 3rd team willing to give up a bunch for either Herro or Simons to make this trade possible.

Although Lillard mentioned Miami and Brooklyn as destinations, he talked about specific players on those teams, I think that was more of letting the FO know which particular players he'd want them to go after in a trade... Bam or Bridges.

Take a problem child and give a big new contract? I bet that's going to turn out well.

Or he continues to be fine there, no more global pandemics and they're good. In fact, it's quite possible if keep him and he's not an issue, they could get a ton for him in a year from now.

It's really hard to acquire talent so sometimes you take what you can get, he sure would have helped Miami in these playoffs. It's all about options and Dallas among others are desperate to add talent.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we get someone to take on Oladipo’s contract we get under the tax line and can execute the S&T that hard caps us. Then we can go back over the line to sign our bird rights free agents and have access to the MLE. It’s Andy SZN

[Spacely]

I’d say if we don’t get a star player this off-season trade Jimmy, I’d rather run my luck in the lottery and build on herro and Bam.

[contract]

https://youtu.be/xgFiwxLgIuo


Important to watch this! He basically says its now or never for us to bring in another big contract star.
We can choose to bring back gabe and Strus. Maybe Gabe for like 8 a year. But we need a star like Dame.

Everyone get your foes list ready, because if we give Gabe $8 million a year, I am going to lose my ****.

$8M/yr is not so bad in today's NBA imo. The cap is supposedly going to be near $134M.

$8M is not so bad. You know what is so bad? Gabe Vincent. He is barely employable in the NBA. He's a 27 year old PG who isn't actually a PG, and isn't a scorer, and isn't a very good shooter, and isn't much of a defender. What would we be paying him $8M a year for?

The man is like clockwork. ~ 40% FG - low to mid 30s in 3pt%

Losing Gabe would be no loss at all.

[AirP.]

So we can probably scratch Kyrie off the list then. I wonder if Dallas goes after Dillon Brooks to fill that defensive role.

Dillion Brooks is a very good defender but he likes to shoot the ball and will shoot the ball, it's one of the reasons Memphis is done with him. Maybe Pop could fix him in San Antonio, maybe Spoelstra understanding that Dillion is going to shoot could put him in better situations to score to satisfy that itch so shots from him don't come at the wrong times.

Would love to see G.Williams show up at starting PF in Miami. When the team's flat he's got the personality to ignite a fire in this team whereas other teams may ignore him.

Miami has a lot of interesting things they could do even if it's not acquiring top level talent. They need some Firey defenders, both Brooks and Williams would be good fits and Spoelstra would give them roles that would make them even better. Plus having someone willing to get in Butler's face and push him would be a great thing for the Heat.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I wonder if the blazers have already received offers from teams for number 3 under the condition scoot is there? just wondering how fast this process is going to move during/after the draft

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Facts.

[AirP.]

I wonder if the blazers have already received offers from teams for number 3 under the condition scoot is there? just wondering how fast this process is going to move during/after the draft

I would be surprised if they didn't already have a number of possible scenarios already talked about with other teams.

[contract]

Dallas already spent 2 good players and 3 draft assets to take a chance on Kyrie, they're not going to just move on from him now without getting a big return in a S&T, they just need to get the right types of players around Luka and Kyrie, a defensive wing would help them greatly... you know like the one they traded in DFS to get Kyrie. Dallas is doing the smart thing, they're going after the top tier talent even if they have warts.

Getting Lillard will be complicated, Portland already has Simons, Sharpe and some other younger players with talent, they should rebuild but who knows. It'll take a 3rd team willing to give up a bunch for either Herro or Simons to make this trade possible.

Although Lillard mentioned Miami and Brooklyn as destinations, he talked about specific players on those teams, I think that was more of letting the FO know which particular players he'd want them to go after in a trade... Bam or Bridges.

Take a problem child and give a big new contract? I bet that's going to turn out well.

Or he continues to be fine there, no more global pandemics and they're good. In fact, it's quite possible if keep him and he's not an issue, they could get a ton for him in a year from now.

It's really hard to acquire talent so sometimes you take what you can get, he sure would have helped Miami in these playoffs. It's all about options and Dallas among others are desperate to add talent.

Continues to be fine there? He played all of 20 games in Dallas and the team stunk up the arena. And he was on his absolute best behavior because he wants a fat new contract. That's not new car smell, that's Febreze. Once he's got the guaranteed money, they will no longer have any control over him.

And no he wouldn't have helped our team because he has his own agenda. All the fancy dribbling and the scoring can't make up for him being a toxin. His teams under-perform because he's on them.

[Spacely]

Damian Lillard/Kyrie Irving
Patrick Beverley
Jae Crowder
Dillion Brooks
Some kind of back up big Dwight Powell/Montrez Harrell/Thomas Bryant

This would be absolutely an amazing off season

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Might be a little overkill on the assets, don’t need to outbid ourselves but this is how I picture a dame trade

[XTC]

It’s star or bust we aren’t winning a championship with Jimmy as number 1.

Outsider chiming in.

I think y'all are close. Jimmy is one of the guys you want on your squad in the playoff. He's taken you guys to 2 finals berth in 3 seasons.

You guys have a nice collection of role players that a championship squad needs. I think you guys desperately need a guard however. I think even adding a guy like Dejounte Murray would take you guys to the next level.

[AirP.]

Continues to be fine there? He played all of 20 games in Dallas and the team stunk up the arena. And he was on his absolute best behavior because he wants a fat new contract. That's not new car smell, that's Febreze. Once he's got the guaranteed money, they will no longer have any control over him.

And no he wouldn't have helped our team because he has his own agenda. All the fancy dribbling and the scoring can't make up for him being a toxin. His teams under-perform because he's on them.

From most people who interact with him on and off ethe court he's a nice person although very quirky. What did he do so bad, he refused to get the COVID shot, he could have been integrated at that time in practices and in road games and Steven Nash refused to do that.

Wait... his teams underperformed? Didn't he win a championship? He didn't want to go to Boston, he was traded there, if you remember back when he requested to leave Cleveland, his 5-team list didn't have Boston on it, it did have Minnesota on it which just happened to have Butler on the roster and Minnesota being near the top of the West at that time.

Now, I may be a little nervous if he has leverage/power like he did in Brooklyn, but I believe those times are long gone unless he goes to a bad team which isn't going to happen.

[oreon]

Dallas already spent 2 good players and 3 draft assets to take a chance on Kyrie, they're not going to just move on from him now without getting a big return in a S&T, they just need to get the right types of players around Luka and Kyrie, a defensive wing would help them greatly... you know like the one they traded in DFS to get Kyrie. Dallas is doing the smart thing, they're going after the top tier talent even if they have warts.

Getting Lillard will be complicated, Portland already has Simons, Sharpe and some other younger players with talent, they should rebuild but who knows. It'll take a 3rd team willing to give up a bunch for either Herro or Simons to make this trade possible.

Although Lillard mentioned Miami and Brooklyn as destinations, he talked about specific players on those teams, I think that was more of letting the FO know which particular players he'd want them to go after in a trade... Bam or Bridges.

Take a problem child and give a big new contract? I bet that's going to turn out well.

Or he continues to be fine there, no more global pandemics and they're good. In fact, it's quite possible if keep him and he's not an issue, they could get a ton for him in a year from now.

It's really hard to acquire talent so sometimes you take what you can get, he sure would have helped Miami in these playoffs. It's all about options and Dallas among others are desperate to add talent.

There were no pandemics in his cavs or celts stints and both ended badly. There was no pandemic when he went MIA without telling anyone cuz of protests and shows up in his sister birthday.
Kyrie does want he wants. Miami culture isn't that. In Miami you gotta assimilate to the group. He's someone who thinks himself as a free spirit, he would be miserable here. And what you're gonna do when he takes 2 weeks off because of some lame reason. Fine him. He's shown he doesn't mind loosing money to stand his ground. Miami is the last place he'd last.

[greg4012]

Dallas already spent 2 good players and 3 draft assets to take a chance on Kyrie, they're not going to just move on from him now without getting a big return in a S&T, they just need to get the right types of players around Luka and Kyrie, a defensive wing would help them greatly... you know like the one they traded in DFS to get Kyrie. Dallas is doing the smart thing, they're going after the top tier talent even if they have warts.

Getting Lillard will be complicated, Portland already has Simons, Sharpe and some other younger players with talent, they should rebuild but who knows. It'll take a 3rd team willing to give up a bunch for either Herro or Simons to make this trade possible.

Although Lillard mentioned Miami and Brooklyn as destinations, he talked about specific players on those teams, I think that was more of letting the FO know which particular players he'd want them to go after in a trade... Bam or Bridges.

Take a problem child and give a big new contract? I bet that's going to turn out well.

Or he continues to be fine there, no more global pandemics and they're good. In fact, it's quite possible if keep him and he's not an issue, they could get a ton for him in a year from now.

It's really hard to acquire talent so sometimes you take what you can get, he sure would have helped Miami in these playoffs. It's all about options and Dallas among others are desperate to add talent.

More likely that Dallas is losing Luka in the next 3 years imo

[greg4012]

If we get someone to take on Oladipo’s contract we get under the tax line and can execute the S&T that hard caps us. Then we can go back over the line to sign our bird rights free agents and have access to the MLE. It’s Andy SZN

Yup it’s threading a fine needle just to be in the game for a S&T. Then comes the market dynamics that would shape any S&T

[powerball1373]

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Facts.

DWade is my favorite player ever, but he needs to look in the mirror on this one. Maybe if he took his body/conditioning as seriously as lerbon, he wouldn't have been injured as much and still playing.