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2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 5 - JIMMY BUTTWART EXTRAVAGANZA

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 5 - JIMMY BUTTWART EXTRAVAGANZA 

Post#221 » by DayofMourning » Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:29 am

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Post#225 » by VaDe255 » Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:30 am

Serious question guys.
How is Bam getting points on the offensive end when Ware is on the floor with him together?
Ware is now the rim rolling big, what does Bam do?
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Post#226 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:46 am

DayofMourning wrote:Jimmys an ****. Everyone knows it.

Be an **** in PHX.


Not gonna lie I knew Jimmy was an A****** but I wish I didn't knew all this stuff that came out lately..Really liked the guy and what he did here...don't ruin my good memories man
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Post#227 » by caliban » Fri Jan 24, 2025 10:07 am

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Post#228 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Jan 24, 2025 10:09 am

VaDe255 wrote:Serious question guys.
How is Bam getting points on the offensive end when Ware is on the floor with him together?
Ware is now the rim rolling big, what does Bam do?


Seems like Bam should go the Draymond Green rout - focus on defense, passing, hitting wide open 3's, get to the line.

Honestly very disappointing with his struggles, but he's just not that good as an offensive player. it is what it is.

With Ware looking like a stud, Spo's biggest challenge going forward is simple -

Spo needs to make the Bam/Ware pairing work - and find 2 starters that fit around the Ware/Bam/Herro trio.
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Post#229 » by contract » Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:34 am

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VaDe255 wrote:Serious question guys.
How is Bam getting points on the offensive end when Ware is on the floor with him together?
Ware is now the rim rolling big, what does Bam do?


Seems like Bam should go the Draymond Green rout - focus on defense, passing, hitting wide open 3's, get to the line.

Honestly very disappointing with his struggles, but he's just not that good as an offensive player. it is what it is.

With Ware looking like a stud, Spo's biggest challenge going forward is simple -

Spo needs to make the Bam/Ware pairing work - and find 2 starters that fit around the Ware/Bam/Herro trio.

Why? You don't build around that mess.
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Post#230 » by Nihilism » Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:15 pm

Bam came in this ligue as a raw athlete and a project. And it's incredible that he actually reached this level. But with him making progress every year expectations were probably too high. Personally, I felt like he will continue to grow as a Giannis-lite as he usually has speed and agility advantage over other centers and is quite athletic so he will take guys off the dribble etc. But instead he is trying to be Bosh. Or maybe it was a team decision idk. Either way I feel like he is stuck right now. And I'm not too sure it worth having someone like that on a Heat roster for the next few years especially for the price. If Heat can get a few 1st rd picks for him he is absolutely worth trading. Last summer could have been a perfect time to trade him to someone like OKC where he can be a missing piece if not for trade restrictions cause of his contract.
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Post#231 » by Nihilism » Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:18 pm

Ware - Herro - new age Shaq - Kobe? Idk yet.
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Post#232 » by wade44 » Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:21 pm

Nihilism wrote:Bam came in this ligue as a raw athlete and a project. And it's incredible that he actually reached this level. But with him making progress every year expectations were probably too high. Personally, I felt like he will continue to grow as a Giannis-lite as he usually has speed and agility advantage over other centers and is quite athletic so he will take guys off the dribble etc. But instead he is trying to be Bosh. Or maybe it was a team decision idk. Either way I feel like he is stuck right now. And I'm not too sure it worth having someone like that on a Heat roster for the next few years especially for the price. If Heat can get a few 1st rd picks for him he is absolutely worth trading. Last summer could have been a perfect time to trade him to someone like OKC where he can be a missing piece if not for trade restrictions cause of his contract.


Fans aren’t always right or know what’s best for the front office I’d say most of the time. However a large contingent of Heat fans seemingly read the room better than management when they said to trade Jimmy a few years back. I believe we have reached the same point with Bam. He’s got value right now he’s just entering him prime. Get a haul of picks now. Learn from the past mistakes of holding onto players too long where their value completely spoils
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Post#233 » by ZoStrong » Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:27 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:Serious question guys.
How is Bam getting points on the offensive end when Ware is on the floor with him together?
Ware is now the rim rolling big, what does Bam do?


Seems like Bam should go the Draymond Green rout - focus on defense, passing, hitting wide open 3's, get to the line.

Honestly very disappointing with his struggles, but he's just not that good as an offensive player. it is what it is.

With Ware looking like a stud, Spo's biggest challenge going forward is simple -

Spo needs to make the Bam/Ware pairing work - and find 2 starters that fit around the Ware/Bam/Herro trio.



Draymond is a bad 3 pt shooter. He only had couple decent years shooting 3s.

Maybe we are better off trading Bam for a star lvl small forward that fits the Ware and Herro timeline. Add a solid 3 and D power foward and a QB pg.
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Post#234 » by Nihilism » Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:27 pm

Johnny Fontane wrote:
Nihilism wrote:Bam came in this ligue as a raw athlete and a project. And it's incredible that he actually reached this level. But with him making progress every year expectations were probably too high. Personally, I felt like he will continue to grow as a Giannis-lite as he usually has speed and agility advantage over other centers and is quite athletic so he will take guys off the dribble etc. But instead he is trying to be Bosh. Or maybe it was a team decision idk. Either way I feel like he is stuck right now. And I'm not too sure it worth having someone like that on a Heat roster for the next few years especially for the price. If Heat can get a few 1st rd picks for him he is absolutely worth trading. Last summer could have been a perfect time to trade him to someone like OKC where he can be a missing piece if not for trade restrictions cause of his contract.


Fans aren’t always right or know what’s best for the front office I’d say most of the time. However a large contingent of Heat fans seemingly read the room better than management when they said to trade Jimmy a few years back. I believe we have reached the same point with Bam. He’s got value right now he’s just entering him prime. Get a haul of picks now. Learn from the past mistakes of holding onto players too long where their value completely spoils

I agree. And it also slightly different situation rn. I mean few years ago Heat had kinda a contender, so it still made sense to hold onto players. Or at least it was arguable. Not so much anymore as this roster clearly not contending. So it makes even more sense to trade Bam.
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Post#235 » by wade44 » Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:36 pm

Nihilism wrote:
Johnny Fontane wrote:
Nihilism wrote:Bam came in this ligue as a raw athlete and a project. And it's incredible that he actually reached this level. But with him making progress every year expectations were probably too high. Personally, I felt like he will continue to grow as a Giannis-lite as he usually has speed and agility advantage over other centers and is quite athletic so he will take guys off the dribble etc. But instead he is trying to be Bosh. Or maybe it was a team decision idk. Either way I feel like he is stuck right now. And I'm not too sure it worth having someone like that on a Heat roster for the next few years especially for the price. If Heat can get a few 1st rd picks for him he is absolutely worth trading. Last summer could have been a perfect time to trade him to someone like OKC where he can be a missing piece if not for trade restrictions cause of his contract.


Fans aren’t always right or know what’s best for the front office I’d say most of the time. However a large contingent of Heat fans seemingly read the room better than management when they said to trade Jimmy a few years back. I believe we have reached the same point with Bam. He’s got value right now he’s just entering him prime. Get a haul of picks now. Learn from the past mistakes of holding onto players too long where their value completely spoils

I agree. And it also slightly different situation rn. I mean few years ago Heat had kinda a contender, so it still made sense to hold onto players. Or at least it was arguable. Not so much anymore as this roster clearly not contending. So it makes even more sense to trade Bam.


Contending sort of but the writing was on the wall with the Bam extension coming up and how Jimmy has been a malcontent in every other place he left. If Heat knew they weren’t going to be paying butler what he wanted, should have read the room better IMO. Maybe it was a breakdown in communication between player and management but it was an oversight. Relating to Bam yes it incentivizes the team even more to move forward without him. The next few years are likely to be some tough years for the Heat as we’re basically back to the days of picking like 8-11 in the draft. Might as well totally bottom out and see what you got in some of these kids
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Post#236 » by MorbidHEAT » Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:41 pm

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Shaq sounding so pathetic


Shaq has some of the stupidest takes sometimes. I hope he does it just to be a contrarian.
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Post#237 » by Beenie » Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:46 pm

https://www.youtube.com/live/FL2wXqisuEk?si=FkQv6VB6FbjM6e0l

Lots of Bam talk

Basically echoing my take on him only several years too late
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Post#238 » by 3ballbomber » Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:55 pm

VaDe255 wrote:Serious question guys.
How is Bam getting points on the offensive end when Ware is on the floor with him together?
Ware is now the rim rolling big, what does Bam do?


Continue to soil his panties
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Post#239 » by contract » Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:57 pm

Nihilism wrote:Ware - Herro - new age Shaq - Kobe? Idk yet.

This is the best future build I've seen yet. :lol:
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