Heat vs Hornets 3/10/26 @ 730 PM

[dshearn]

I get the pile on, but you always have to account for this...what we are seeing... is the actual plan. This is a tank job.

Having said all that....round up these dudes in bunches and cash in on them. Build up the picks, or go get an x-factor type guy (not KD...that is not a real solution)

We are missing that scrappy over achiever that has been so instrumental in our success as of late. Right now we have a bunch of dudes following the tone set by the "leaders" on this team....and our leaders are not really good at it. We need guys that are fighting for their NBA lives Bam and Tyler really need to be the 2nd or 3rd best players on the team if we want success with this version of them.

Condense these guys down, fill the starters out, then go round up a bench with a strong contingent of G-League 110% type guys that have a real fire for the game.

[vagelis]

This ain’t tanking. This is just a bad poorly built basketball team. FO has a lot of soul searching too do

Told ya Panda. Herro and Bam ain't cornerstones.

We got 80% sample size this season with both them leading and can't win against the the motherbleeping Hornets of the world.

Bam and Herro are high end role players. They can’t elevate a team but a star can elevate them

Adebayo is a good player but he is far away from a 1st option. I think not even a 2d option.
He can score from inside but he has not the speed and ball handling to create and be a prime option in offense.

Wiggins and Herro are the best offensive players in this team.

Herro is talented and can score.
But he has tunel vision.
The only thing he has in his mind is to go for his shot.

Wiggins can create his shot, he has the speed and the skills and he makes good decisions.
He finds the open man when he is guarded.
But he is not so efficient so far with the Heat.

Heat have to decide who gets the ball in 4th quarter and who is responsible.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Don’t do that

Cmon man. Do you really think Bam and Herro can beat the upper standing East teams in the next 5 years?

I'm not even mad at both of them. It's just their level of plays are perfect as 2nd/3rd option with a Superstar and that is a good compliment I would say.

Not at all! I was just laughing at the role player comment.

You find 2 guys that are legit better than Bam and get them to Miami and we’re competing for rings every season without a doubt

I didn’t mean in like that Bammy. Bam is a great player in his right but in a different way than the high end stars. He can’t carry this group like Butler and that’s ok. I never expected Bam to be that

[MettaWorldPanda]

I get the pile on, but you always have to account for this...what we are seeing... is the actual plan. This is a tank job.

Having said all that....round up these dudes in bunches and cash in on them. Build up the picks, or go get an x-factor type guy (not KD...that is not a real solution)

We are missing that scrappy over achiever that has been so instrumental in our success as of late. Right now we have a bunch of dudes following the tone set by the "leaders" on this team....and our leaders are not really good at it. We need guys that are fighting for their NBA lives Bam and Tyler really need to be the 2nd or 3rd best players on the team if we want success with this version of them.

Condense these guys down, fill the starters out, then go round up a bench with a strong contingent of G-League 110% type guys that have a real fire for the game.

You make a great point about missing the scrappy over achiever that has saved the franchise throughout the years. The Vincent, Strus’s, and Martin’s were huge. Dru Smith was supposed to be that this year. The G league has provided us with nothing this year which has been a rarity for us

[insfo]

Something seemed off about Ware's whole demeanor today. Anyone else feel that? Seemed to not have his motor on and almost seemed like he was sulking and moping around a lot. Wonder what goes on behind the scenes, but not a good game today. Hoping Spo doesn't bench him after this and start some journeyman like Anderson or Love. If we are not winning, we need to atleast be growing. And getting Ware as many minutes as he can handle should be the main goal at this point.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Told ya Panda. Herro and Bam ain't cornerstones.

We got 80% sample size this season with both them leading and can't win against the the motherbleeping Hornets of the world.

Bam and Herro are high end role players. They can’t elevate a team but a star can elevate them

Adebayo is a good player but he is far away from a 1st option. I think not even a 2d option.
He can score from inside but he has not the speed and ball handling to create and be a prime option in offense.

Wiggins and Herro are the best offensive players in this team.

Herro is talented and can score.
But he has tunel vision.
The only thing he has in his mind is to go for his shot.

Wiggins can create his shot, he has the speed and the skills and he makes good decisions.
He finds the open man when he is guarded.
But he is not so efficient so far with the Heat.

This is wild, Wiggins has been terrible. If anything he’s holding Herro and Bam back with his inefficient chucking, those reps need to be going to them.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

No mention of the starters +/- tonight? I know for some that’s a fun one to point out

[Moneyball_Spo]

With this roster and lack of talent, we’re in one of the worst spots moving forward. Bad PR after the entire Butler saga. The future outlook is looking pretty morbid as long as the arisons have their head fully up their own asses

The good thing is people will forget once we start winning again. Again prepare yourselfs for a long nasty losing streak. Spo and co went to see Flagg play and they would love to have him. He is worth the Tank. That boy nice.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The team is just lacking so many complimentary pieces. We have so many limited players in so many spots. Keshad Johnson looks like an exciting young player but can’t even get a look while we just continue to flounder doing the same thing. HH is so limited so why not go with a young high flying player like Keshad to give us a different look. Stevens showed in the G league that he can break down players and generate easy offense. He was the assist leader for a while down there. The energy and vibe needs to change. The ceiling is just way too low with the role players right now.

[Moneyball_Spo]

Something seemed off about Ware's whole demeanor today. Anyone else feel that? Seemed to not have his motor on and almost seemed like he was sulking and moping around a lot. Wonder what goes on behind the scenes, but not a good game today. Hoping Spo doesn't bench him after this and start some journeyman like Anderson or Love. If we are not winning, we need to atleast be growing. And getting Ware as many minutes as he can handle should be the main goal at this point.

Conspiracy much?

[HeatFan_NC]

We'd be better off trading guys for draft capital and starting over. Do what the Celtics and Thunder did: build through the draft and pick up some solid vets here and there that can contribute and fit our scheme.

I would really consider trading Herro or Bam to a contender. They are very good players, and I would at least try to move one of them to see what we could get in return. The roster as presently constructed isn't going anywhere. Maybe do a multi-team trade and try to get some FRPs from the Thunder.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Bam and Herro are high end role players. They can’t elevate a team but a star can elevate them

Adebayo is a good player but he is far away from a 1st option. I think not even a 2d option.
He can score from inside but he has not the speed and ball handling to create and be a prime option in offense.

Wiggins and Herro are the best offensive players in this team.

Herro is talented and can score.
But he has tunel vision.
The only thing he has in his mind is to go for his shot.

Wiggins can create his shot, he has the speed and the skills and he makes good decisions.
He finds the open man when he is guarded.
But he is not so efficient so far with the Heat.

This is wild, Wiggins has been terrible. If anything he’s holding Herro and Bam back with his inefficient chucking, those reps need to be going to them.

He has not been a good fit with this group at all. I thought he was a better ball handler but it’s shaky. He’s a complimentary player but he’s not complimenting this group very well. We need our SF to essentially be a point forward but it’s something he’s not. It magnifies us not having a scoring and creative PG that much more. He was perfectly fine complimenting Curry and Klay.

[wade44]

We'd be better off trading guys for draft capital and starting over. Do what the Celtics and Thunder did: build through the draft and pick up some solid vets here and there that can contribute and fit our scheme.

I would really consider trading Herro or Bam to a contender. They are very good players, and I would at least try to move one of them to see what we could get in return. The roster as presently constructed isn't going anywhere. Maybe do a multi-team trade and try to get some FRPs from the Thunder.

Would have been the play if our picks weren’t unprotected in ‘26 and ‘28. We’re literally going to be picking for another team during those years and need to field a somewhat competitive team out of necessity

[Moneyball_Spo]

No mention of the starters +/- tonight? I know for some that’s a fun one to point out

Bam the only one with +7. Even the bench had some plus, but no points. 4 points for Rozier who should be giving you 15+. 5points for JJJ who should be giving you 10, plus his 4 turnovers.

[Moneyball_Spo]

We'd be better off trading guys for draft capital and starting over. Do what the Celtics and Thunder did: build through the draft and pick up some solid vets here and there that can contribute and fit our scheme.

I would really consider trading Herro or Bam to a contender. They are very good players, and I would at least try to move one of them to see what we could get in return. The roster as presently constructed isn't going anywhere. Maybe do a multi-team trade and try to get some FRPs from the Thunder.

Would have been the play if our picks weren’t unprotected in ‘26 and ‘28. We’re literally going to be picking for another team during those years and need to field a somewhat competitive team out of necessity

Lets make sure the picks are in the 20s like GS is giving us.

[vagelis]

Bam and Herro are high end role players. They can’t elevate a team but a star can elevate them

Adebayo is a good player but he is far away from a 1st option. I think not even a 2d option.
He can score from inside but he has not the speed and ball handling to create and be a prime option in offense.

Wiggins and Herro are the best offensive players in this team.

Herro is talented and can score.
But he has tunel vision.
The only thing he has in his mind is to go for his shot.

Wiggins can create his shot, he has the speed and the skills and he makes good decisions.
He finds the open man when he is guarded.
But he is not so efficient so far with the Heat.

This is wild, Wiggins has been terrible. If anything he’s holding Herro and Bam back with his inefficient chucking, those reps need to be going to them.

Wiggins shot only 3 shots in the entire 2d half and Adebayo didn't have a big impact in those minutes that Wiggins took a step back.

He is not holding anyone back.
Lets see, I hope they will find a way to win games which are so close.

[Moneyball_Spo]

Don't let go of the rope fellas. Goodnight.

[twix2500]

This team desperately needs a veteran point guard

[oreon]

Don't let go of the rope fellas. Goodnight.

Nah its okay. Let go of the rope. Lets get in the mix for Cooper

[MettaWorldPanda]

We'd be better off trading guys for draft capital and starting over. Do what the Celtics and Thunder did: build through the draft and pick up some solid vets here and there that can contribute and fit our scheme.

I would really consider trading Herro or Bam to a contender. They are very good players, and I would at least try to move one of them to see what we could get in return. The roster as presently constructed isn't going anywhere. Maybe do a multi-team trade and try to get some FRPs from the Thunder.

We got two picks coming up in this draft so it is crucial we hit on both. We are not trading Bam. That move is not worth it. Herro on the other hand maybe but i don’t see a lot of teams really giving up much for him either. League and draft has a lot of players like Herro. Honestly if this team had two Herro’s would that be a terrible thing? Lol. The team is severely void of talent. We need a comparable guard to Herro when he gets subbed out. It would be nice to have a balanced scoring PF like Bridges when Bam checks in and out.