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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#221 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue May 20, 2025 3:12 pm

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All i’ve been hearing is how the Bucks are going to do right by Giannis and make sure he’s happy :lol:


That’s a load of **** lol he’s going wherever he wants if he leaves.


No he won't. Jon Horst will do exactly what Wes Eden wants him to do (see Portland Cronin and Allen or Dallas Harris and Adelson) and seeing that Milwaukee is bereft of any draft capital and is cap constrained for the next 2 years, they will need a marquee pick or player to sell tickets.


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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#222 » by oreon » Tue May 20, 2025 3:14 pm

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All i’ve been hearing is how the Bucks are going to do right by Giannis and make sure he’s happy :lol:


That’s a load of **** lol he’s going wherever he wants if he leaves.


No he won't. Jon Horst will do exactly what Wes Eden wants him to do (see Portland Cronin and Allen or Dallas Harris and Adelson) and seeing that Milwaukee is bereft of any draft capital and is cap constrained for the next 2 years, they will need a marquee pick or player to sell tickets.


That's the key. With Dame being done and no Giannis, that is a bottom 5 team which doesn't don't own their picks. They just can't afford to give him out no matter how much they like Giannis and want to reward him. They need legit players and assets to stay afloat till they get control of their picks back. Whatever they get back will be significant and that rules Miami out.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#223 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue May 20, 2025 3:17 pm

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That’s a load of **** lol he’s going wherever he wants if he leaves.


No he won't. Jon Horst will do exactly what Wes Eden wants him to do (see Portland Cronin and Allen or Dallas Harris and Adelson) and seeing that Milwaukee is bereft of any draft capital and is cap constrained for the next 2 years, they will need a marquee pick or player to sell tickets.


That's the key. With Dame being done and no Giannis, that is a bottom 5 team which doesn't don't own their picks. They just can't afford to give him out no matter how much they like Giannis and want to reward him. They need legit players and assets to stay afloat till they get control of their picks back. Whatever they get back will be significant and that rules Miami out.


He will go where he wants and whoever that team is will shed a boatload of assets. If it were Miami for example they could ask for all our picks and the young guys and get a pretty solid haul and that’s not even considering Herro or Bam who they could take or reroute for several other assets. SA will send several picks and assets, Houston, OKC, etc.

It will work out where both parties come away feeling like they didn’t get screwed over.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#225 » by Lennyzinho » Tue May 20, 2025 3:59 pm

Slot Machine wrote:That Jrue contract is awful. I wouldn’t touch it unless we’re getting compensated to.


Listening to Bill Simmons podcast, he seemed most open to the idea of trading Jrue and how they gave him that deal to take care of him and they were about to start the playoffs in the year they won it.

Im convinced ownership and management did it on purpose. They paid all these guys, won a ring, cemented themselves in Celtics history and then sold the team, knowing full well there would be massive tax implications and repeater stuff and Celtics would have this year window (which slammed shut) and now Celtics are in a much more difficult position. And it's not like the new group doesnt know this but they took the chance.

Anyway back to Jrue. Bill was saying how bad it is that they'll need to cut 20M to get under 2nd apron. And then Ryen Russillo was like. That contract is awful. There's no money or teams with cap. The team's with cap, won't want jrue. Which is what I've been saying also. And then Ryen was like, does boston have to give a pick to get a team to take him. And Bill was like, idk. Maybe.
I think the answer is yes, definitely.

Teams lack of cap space and fear of 2nd apron and repeater tax is really going to limit this off-season. Teams might be getting 50 cents on the dollar in trades and free agents will be very disappointed.

I also think both suns and Celtics would want duncan so they can terminate him, so there's no chance we get both somehow in some crazy big trade unless nets or someone else is involved.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#226 » by twix2500 » Tue May 20, 2025 4:23 pm

Lennyzinho wrote:
Slot Machine wrote:That Jrue contract is awful. I wouldn’t touch it unless we’re getting compensated to.


Listening to Bill Simmons podcast, he seemed most open to the idea of trading Jrue and how they gave him that deal to take care of him and they were about to start the playoffs in the year they won it.

Im convinced ownership and management did it on purpose. They paid all these guys, won a ring, cemented themselves in Celtics history and then sold the team, knowing full well there would be massive tax implications and repeater stuff and Celtics would have this year window (which slammed shut) and now Celtics are in a much more difficult position. And it's not like the new group doesnt know this but they took the chance.

Anyway back to Jrue. Bill was saying how bad it is that they'll need to cut 20M to get under 2nd apron. And then Ryen Russillo was like. That contract is awful. There's no money or teams with cap. The team's with cap, won't want jrue. Which is what I've been saying also. And then Ryen was like, does boston have to give a pick to get a team to take him. And Bill was like, idk. Maybe.
I think the answer is yes, definitely.

Teams lack of cap space and fear of 2nd apron and repeater tax is really going to limit this off-season. Teams might be getting 50 cents on the dollar in trades and free agents will be very disappointed.

I also think both suns and Celtics would want duncan so they can terminate him, so there's no chance we get both somehow in some crazy big trade unless nets or someone else is involved.



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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#227 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue May 20, 2025 4:29 pm

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Slot Machine wrote:That Jrue contract is awful. I wouldn’t touch it unless we’re getting compensated to.


Listening to Bill Simmons podcast, he seemed most open to the idea of trading Jrue and how they gave him that deal to take care of him and they were about to start the playoffs in the year they won it.

Im convinced ownership and management did it on purpose. They paid all these guys, won a ring, cemented themselves in Celtics history and then sold the team, knowing full well there would be massive tax implications and repeater stuff and Celtics would have this year window (which slammed shut) and now Celtics are in a much more difficult position. And it's not like the new group doesnt know this but they took the chance.

Anyway back to Jrue. Bill was saying how bad it is that they'll need to cut 20M to get under 2nd apron. And then Ryen Russillo was like. That contract is awful. There's no money or teams with cap. The team's with cap, won't want jrue. Which is what I've been saying also. And then Ryen was like, does boston have to give a pick to get a team to take him. And Bill was like, idk. Maybe.
I think the answer is yes, definitely.

Teams lack of cap space and fear of 2nd apron and repeater tax is really going to limit this off-season. Teams might be getting 50 cents on the dollar in trades and free agents will be very disappointed.

I also think both suns and Celtics would want duncan so they can terminate him, so there's no chance we get both somehow in some crazy big trade unless nets or someone else is involved.



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They are going to get someone to eat Porzingis expiring deal or atleast take on a big chunk of it. If BK ends up sending Claxton and Johnson with 6 picks to Bucks for Giannis then you could see them making a deal like that with Boston. Holliday i could see headed to Dallas.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#228 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue May 20, 2025 5:17 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#229 » by DayofMourning » Tue May 20, 2025 5:36 pm

"If Anthony Edwards asks out of Minnesota, its expected Miami will be interested"
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Post#230 » by Beenie » Tue May 20, 2025 5:40 pm

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Kobewade11 wrote:Cynicism aside, can anyone explain why there would be interest in Derozan? If Jimmy’s a clear tier below KD, which he is, Derozan is a tier below Jimmy. Not sure why Barry is pumping that name and yes there was interest in the past but with a different iteration of this team.


Because he's easier to get.

He makes no sense to get. We already have Wiggins on essentially the same deal.


Assuming that Mia values Wiggins over Derozen or just values Wiggins period.

Guessing Mia strikes out on KD and basically every big name and will pivot over to Derozen when that happens.

Then Pat will say " told you that we werent running it back"
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#231 » by batterybro42 » Tue May 20, 2025 5:46 pm

Lennyzinho wrote:
Slot Machine wrote:That Jrue contract is awful. I wouldn’t touch it unless we’re getting compensated to.


Listening to Bill Simmons podcast, he seemed most open to the idea of trading Jrue and how they gave him that deal to take care of him and they were about to start the playoffs in the year they won it.

Im convinced ownership and management did it on purpose. They paid all these guys, won a ring, cemented themselves in Celtics history and then sold the team, knowing full well there would be massive tax implications and repeater stuff and Celtics would have this year window (which slammed shut) and now Celtics are in a much more difficult position. And it's not like the new group doesnt know this but they took the chance.

Anyway back to Jrue. Bill was saying how bad it is that they'll need to cut 20M to get under 2nd apron. And then Ryen Russillo was like. That contract is awful. There's no money or teams with cap. The team's with cap, won't want jrue. Which is what I've been saying also. And then Ryen was like, does boston have to give a pick to get a team to take him. And Bill was like, idk. Maybe.
I think the answer is yes, definitely.

Teams lack of cap space and fear of 2nd apron and repeater tax is really going to limit this off-season. Teams might be getting 50 cents on the dollar in trades and free agents will be very disappointed.

I also think both suns and Celtics would want duncan so they can terminate him, so there's no chance we get both somehow in some crazy big trade unless nets or someone else is involved.


This is a problem that nobody is talking about, and it will only get worse as time goes on. If I was team like the Nets for example I would make a killing absorbing everybody else's horrific contracts. Teams have miss appropriated money long term not considering this situation, and you will begin to see an adjustment in salaries paid out for guys like Herro, who I believe is much closer to the 30 million than he is to 50. What is the worst that can happen? Let him go to free agency, nobody can afford to give him anything anyways. You can always match back or go above the offer with Bird rights anyways.

Players no longer have any leverage the market does, and Butler did us a massive favor throwing the fit that he did, and maybe he was pretty smart for doing so because there is about zero chance he would have gotten close to that number on an extension here because he's not worth 50 mil maybe 25 in this new CBA.

The teams that begin to understand this and move accordingly will inevitably break this system, and also believe this won't last as the players union begins to realize that they just gutted the market for mid tier stars in this league, and killed everybody's negotiating leverage by allowing the owners to destroy the free agency market. It has been a long time since the teams have had this much control, and I think they are just now starting to understand that.

We will see a radical repositioning or some type of lockout here in the next decade.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#232 » by batterybro42 » Tue May 20, 2025 5:51 pm

DayofMourning wrote:"If Anthony Edwards asks out of Minnesota, its expected Miami will be interested"



I would trade the entire team, Pat, Andy, Spo, Bernie, and let him rename the team to whatever he wants to get him here.

We can be the Miami Anthony's I do not care. I will give up one of the title trophies and discrete Wade's statue to see Edwards in a Heat jersey
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Post#233 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue May 20, 2025 5:56 pm

"If Nikola Jokic asks out of Denver, its expected Miami will be interested"
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Post#234 » by Beenie » Tue May 20, 2025 5:58 pm

"If Demar Derozen asks out of Sacramento, it's expected that Mia will be interested"
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Post#235 » by batterybro42 » Tue May 20, 2025 6:05 pm

"If Marty is able to travel back to 1984 and bring 21 year old Michael Jordan to the present it is expected that Miami will be interested"
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Post#236 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue May 20, 2025 6:26 pm

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Post#237 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue May 20, 2025 6:44 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:STAY TUNED!!!!!!!


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Post#238 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue May 20, 2025 6:45 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#239 » by twix2500 » Tue May 20, 2025 6:48 pm

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Post#240 » by oreon » Tue May 20, 2025 7:13 pm

Beenie wrote:"If Demar Derozen asks out of Sacramento, it's expected that Mia will be interested"


Miami is that drunk dude at 4 am outside the club thirsting over anything that walks. Go home dude. C'mon now.
We need to stop being so thirsty after these aging stars. They are not the way to contention. We are watching now that youth, length, depth and athleticism is wants winning. And we want to go over Derozan.
I'm resigned they do the dumb KD trade. But once you do, don't saddle your cap with old dudes if you make that trade. Find young legs.

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