Winslow

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So he backs that up with 4/6 on 20% shooting

He's not a bust to me, but we still need to see those "putting it together" games more regularly.


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Winslow was better than his stats tonight, though. He doesn't make many stupid plays. He's had 2 turnovers since the (bad) Denver game in 106 minutes. That means a lot to a team that can't seem to go two minutes without a turnover.

Really, his problem is that his good games are just okay and his bad games are appalling. He's a young player, though, and will improve. No need to hit the panic button yet. I'd resign him at this point for something like 4/40 and hope he develops. His play isn't making him much money (in NBA terms.)

Winslow doesn't turn the ball over, but he doesn't give you a reason to put it in his hands much. My biggest frustrations with him are ...

1. His inability to get to the free throw line.
2. His inability to convert free throws at a decent rate.

If he could get those two things straightened out, then it wouldn't piss me off so much when he gets significant minutes.

People worry about his shooting stroke, but his #1 issue has to be mental.

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So he backs that up with 4/6 on 20% shooting

He's not a bust to me, but we still need to see those "putting it together" games more regularly.

Winslow was better than his stats tonight, though. He doesn't make many stupid plays. He's had 2 turnovers since the (bad) Denver game in 106 minutes. That means a lot to a team that can't seem to go two minutes without a turnover.

JJ and TJ are especially reckless, it has become a problem. I like Winslow at that PF position, I'm not sure he has the bulk to be there long term, but short term it gives him minutes and confidence.

We're paying JJ + Olynyk $24 million this season, and we spent our 1st round pick on Bam. If we still don't have a starting PF, we're doing something wrong ... and IMO we're doing something wrong. I suspect that we'll spend most of the season picking our starting PF based on matchups.

That's assuming of course that injuries don't get us first.

[Kobewade11]

So he backs that up with 4/6 on 20% shooting

He's not a bust to me, but we still need to see those "putting it together" games more regularly.


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Yea i'm not sure we can begrudge Winslow for this. I think in order to see those "putting it together" games more regularly he has to be given regular minutes. He played well in 37 minutes against Phoenix and then played 22 minutes last night against Utah. Last 6 games in terms of minutes played he has gone 24-14-17-30-37-22. Richardson by contrast is consistently playing 31+ minutes a night.

[RexBoyWonder]

Really rooting for justise but not sure where this is going.

Positivs : still only 21 YO, Reallyl looks smooth driving to the paint at times, high IQ and work ethic.

Still, I expected more progress in some areas, mainly getting to the line and the mid range game.

Rondae Hollis-Jefferson has a more basic game and skillset yet he's the better player right now. Justise has time but seeing him I sometime feel that his game is all over the place - not sure what exactly is his bread and butter moves or skills.

Get good at a couple of useful things andbuild around them. Right now he's like a swiss army knife that really needs sharpening to become useful.

Give him big minutes and hopes it comes togther. We have no choise IMO. we need him to become a stud.

[Bishop45]

Really rooting for justise but not sure where this is going.

Positivs : still only 21 YO, Reallyl looks smooth driving to the paint at times, high IQ and work ethic.

Still, I expected more progress in some areas, mainly getting to the line and the mid range game.

Rondae Hollis-Jefferson has a more basic game and skillset yet he's the better player right now. Justise has time but seeing him I sometime feel that his game is all over the place - not sure what exactly is his bread and butter moves or skills.

Get good at a couple of useful things andbuild around them. Right now he's like a swiss army knife that really needs sharpening to become useful.

Give him big minutes and hopes it comes togther. We have no choise IMO. we need him to become a stud.

He's got too many moves that he hits at low efficiency with limited opportunity. I think he has to work on spotting up everytime he gets a look to get keep/get an offensive rhythm

[Harjo]

Hopefully he goes the Aaron Gordon route in terms of 3-point shooting.

[KingDavid]

Hopefully he goes the Aaron Gordon route in terms of 3-point shooting.

...i wish.

[gom]

Where is this guy?

[Hallstar]

Where is this guy?

In College

[Kobewade11]

Where is this guy?

I reckon its a big difference between being the 2nd or 3rd option on a team and being the 8th option as he is now

[Wiltside]

To be fair, he definitely should not be the second option on this team.

I’m fine with him taking 10-11 shots per game. I just wish he had the ball in his hands more. That’s his game and where he has had most success, finding shooters and creating off the dribble. We limit him, and ourselves, by making him a dribble hand off and screen and roll guy.

Honestly think he’d be outplaying JRich significantly if given the same minutes and played in his natural spot.

[Kobewade11]

To be fair, he definitely should not be the second option on this team.

I’m fine with him taking 10-11 shots per game. I just wish he had the ball in his hands more. That’s his game and where he has had most success, finding shooters and creating off the dribble. We limit him, and ourselves, by making him a dribble hand off and screen and roll guy.

Honestly think he’d be outplaying JRich significantly if given the same minutes and played in his natural spot.

Agree on both points, I was just illustrating he had a defined role at Duke while in 3 years here his usage goes from one extreme to the other with no clear idea in mind of what they want him to do.

[Flash4thewin]

To be fair, he definitely should not be the second option on this team.

I’m fine with him taking 10-11 shots per game. I just wish he had the ball in his hands more. That’s his game and where he has had most success, finding shooters and creating off the dribble. We limit him, and ourselves, by making him a dribble hand off and screen and roll guy.

Honestly think he’d be outplaying JRich significantly if given the same minutes and played in his natural spot.

What do you think is his natural spot in the NBA?

[Wiltside]

To be fair, he definitely should not be the second option on this team.

I’m fine with him taking 10-11 shots per game. I just wish he had the ball in his hands more. That’s his game and where he has had most success, finding shooters and creating off the dribble. We limit him, and ourselves, by making him a dribble hand off and screen and roll guy.

Honestly think he’d be outplaying JRich significantly if given the same minutes and played in his natural spot.

What do you think is his natural spot in the NBA?

He's a 1/3/4. Natural position should be the 3, but when Dragic goes off and the bench unit comes on he should be initiating the offense - or atleast sharing these duties with JJ - given we don't have a true backup point. I really hate seeing TJ or JRich run the 1, it just doesn't work - and they become turnover merchants. They should be relegated to spot up shooter status, where they are good (TJ) or semi-decent (JRich).

Winslow does have a quickness advantage over a lot of 4's, but that's negated when we relegate him to spot up duty with limited ability to take them off the dribble. The flip side is he, at this stage, can't make big guys pay for sagging off him. Means they really only have to play him for the drive, where he needs to add a few moves to become more effective. It would be very handy if he could atleast get a reputable mid-range game, where there's a threat of a pull up 15 footer. Against small ball lineups, he can be a very effective 4 man, but I'd still prefer to see the bulk of his mins be at the 3.

Defensively he should match-up with 2/3/4 predominantly. He should be defending the oppositions primary wing threat, whatever position.

It's pretty clear he tends to excel when involved in the offense, touching the ball and starting to get in a groove. Unfortunately, we've seen large passages of play where he barely even touches the rock. He needs to find ways to continue to be effective even when not handling, but that'll come with time.

Given where the Heat are at in the rebuilding cycle, we really should be doing everything we can to maximise Justise's talent. We aren't doing that to this point. Rehabilitating his game and value is the only way we are either A) going to turn him into an above average starter / potential star, or B) up his value enough to trade for one in a package.

[Bishop45]

Watching Simmons walk on water yesterday reminded me of winnie in transition, might not see that much athleticism on display from him until his athletic peak, was so graceful

Really thought we'd see Winslow flourish in transition once we picked up the pace, guess that's under development

Watch on YouTube

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To be fair, he definitely should not be the second option on this team.

I’m fine with him taking 10-11 shots per game. I just wish he had the ball in his hands more. That’s his game and where he has had most success, finding shooters and creating off the dribble. We limit him, and ourselves, by making him a dribble hand off and screen and roll guy.

Honestly think he’d be outplaying JRich significantly if given the same minutes and played in his natural spot.

If we just gave the ball to Winslow all game every game, what do you figure his stats would look like?

[BadMofoPimp]

To be fair, he definitely should not be the second option on this team.

I’m fine with him taking 10-11 shots per game. I just wish he had the ball in his hands more. That’s his game and where he has had most success, finding shooters and creating off the dribble. We limit him, and ourselves, by making him a dribble hand off and screen and roll guy.

Honestly think he’d be outplaying JRich significantly if given the same minutes and played in his natural spot.

If we just gave the ball to Winslow all game every game, what do you figure his stats would look like?

All I can think of is how bad the Heat would lose.

[Kobewade11]

All I can think of is how bad the Heat would lose.

It's a good thing we're not doing too much of that right now anyway



Oh wait..

[Hallstar]

All I can think of is how bad the Heat would lose.

It's a good thing we're not doing too much of that right now anyway



Oh wait..

This was the conversation for the Summer and really should have been 2 Summers ago.

You can't cap out, pay everyone, then decide it's the time to figure out what we have.

[Kobewade11]

This was the conversation for the Summer and really should have been 2 Summers ago.

You can't cap out, pay everyone, then decide it's the time to figure out what we have.

It is what it is. We're a losing team right now.