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Re: Iggi bike, farewell Tien-- Around the World, NBA PLAYOFFS 

Post#241 » by Kobewade11 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:46 am

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Simmons for McCollum might have some legs to it. CJ did play at nearby Lehigh.

If Portland does that they might as well embrace a full rebuild because there is no way Dame wouldn’t demand a trade if Simmons is his running mate.


I think it'd be a good look, he'd get a quality wing defender and a reconstructed team. Very few 5's could guard against a Simmons drive. Him and Lillard on the break would be fire imo

The problem is going to be in the playoffs when the game slows down. Teams would trap Dame to get the ball out of his hands. Simmons bulldozer game wont be as effective in the half court, and they’ve got no one else to generate offense.
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Post#242 » by IggieCC » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:22 am

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Post#243 » by AirP. » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:27 am

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Vertical Limit wrote:So many senseless commentary by fans and espn.

Ben Simmons has 4 years 145 million left on a contract he signed in the offseason. Unless Philadelphia gets him to retire, or offer 3 first round picks plus Seth, no team is going to absorb the contract just because Philadelphia does not want him anymore.

He is going to be a sixer next year and theyre going to have to spend countless hours developing his shooting form.

This is the first time Dwight Howard was the second worst free throw shooter in a team he plays for.

Also lets not ignore that Embiid has his share of blame yesterday. 8 turnovers. He is ALWAYS injured. Always. Theres never a season when he doesnt have an ankle or a knee issue. Hes going to get surgery and may not even be available for the start of the upcoming season.

His cardio/stamina is terrible. He is probably about 15-20 lbs overweight to be in “Heat shape”. Like Charles Barkley said about Anthony Davis, in your mid 20s youre suppose to be super human. All these injuries esrly on is a bad sign of whata to come when youre in your early 30s. There is something wrong with Embiids strength and conditioning programming.

Nearly everyone is tradable, in the last few years "untradeable players" like Wiggins, Wall, Westbrook, and even CP3 were all traded.

Just look at Portland, if they stick with Dame(which I expect they will) they may be willing to move CJ(3 years nearly 100 mil) to get some defensive help at the wings. They can replace CJ's position at SG internally with Powell or Simons(Afernee) and have Ben Simmons be their wing stopper, but that also means they have to find more shooting at one of the wings and a stretch center.

Of course, you have to know Sam Presti is ready to turn Kemba Walker into Ben Simmons in hopes of making him better and getting more out of him.

How about Toronto sign and trade Lowry to Philly for Simmons? They could roll with a frontcourt of Simmons and Siakam.

There will be other teams devoid of talent willing to roll the dice on Simmons, Philly will have options. Whoever ends up with Ben better utilize him as basically an old school PF vs a ball handler in the half court.

Hes not tradeable at this time and Doc knows it which is why Doc made the statement he made today about developing Ben in the offseason. If he is successful, he can probably trade Ben next offseasob. But he isnt tradeable at this time. We are talking Markelle Fultz syndrome, except at 40 million per season.

You forgot another difference, Simmons had made the last 3 All-Star games.
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Post#244 » by Bishop45 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:36 am

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Kobewade11 wrote:If Portland does that they might as well embrace a full rebuild because there is no way Dame wouldn’t demand a trade if Simmons is his running mate.


I think it'd be a good look, he'd get a quality wing defender and a reconstructed team. Very few 5's could guard against a Simmons drive. Him and Lillard on the break would be fire imo

The problem is going to be in the playoffs when the game slows down. Teams would trap Dame to get the ball out of his hands. Simmons bulldozer game wont be as effective in the half court, and they’ve got no one else to generate offense.


Trap Dame at the top of the key and Simmons has a lot more room to drive and kick, or even score. It's a much better position for Simmons and possibly Dame
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Post#246 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:25 am

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Retired mods/mods have very high post counts obviously. This was all manual search so I'm sure I have missed some people.

Yeah... I need to get back to work :oops:



Would say More like a Bryan Scalabrine - unusual longevity considering the hard to define annoyance.
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Post#247 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:25 am

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Post#248 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:48 am

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Simmons for McCollum might have some legs to it. CJ did play at nearby Lehigh.

I'd do it if I were 6ers and never look back.

If I were Blazers... hmm. maybe if I could bring in Seth with him? Ben is still only 24, he's not done yet.


I'd play Ben as a big and ask him to rebound the hell out of the ball. Have a quota of 15 shots a game within 10 feet. His shots per game have decreased every year.

On the flip side, he's an absolutely impressive defender. He's somewhere around 6'10", legit, with long arms, and can guard anyone.

You've got to overcompensate with him I think. Make him your go to scorer in every offseason workout, practice, preseason game, etc. He's too willing to play the role player.


I really don't get the "just play Simmons at C" thinking.

What's the point? has he ever been an elite rebounder/shot blocker/finisher? Why not just get a regular old-school C that can hit FT at double the %, be bigger then Ben and make 20% of his salary?

The all point of having a 6"10 Simmons is that he has a great handle, passing and driving. You put him as a C he'll just look worse.

Bam and Dedmon would eat him alive.
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Post#249 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:05 am

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IggieCC wrote:I'd do it if I were 6ers and never look back.

If I were Blazers... hmm. maybe if I could bring in Seth with him? Ben is still only 24, he's not done yet.


I'd play Ben as a big and ask him to rebound the hell out of the ball. Have a quota of 15 shots a game within 10 feet. His shots per game have decreased every year.

On the flip side, he's an absolutely impressive defender. He's somewhere around 6'10", legit, with long arms, and can guard anyone.

You've got to overcompensate with him I think. Make him your go to scorer in every offseason workout, practice, preseason game, etc. He's too willing to play the role player.


I really don't get the "just play Simmons at C" thinking.

What's the point? has he ever been an elite rebounder/shot blocker/finisher? Why not just get a regular old-school C that can hit FT at double the %, be bigger then Ben and make 20% of his salary?

The all point of having a 6"10 Simmons is that he has a great handle, passing and driving. You put him as a C he'll just look worse.

Bam and Dedmon would eat him alive.


Well, he's is 6'11", 240 lb. And he did average 12 boards a game in college.
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Post#250 » by Bishop45 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:53 pm

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IggieCC wrote:I'd do it if I were 6ers and never look back.

If I were Blazers... hmm. maybe if I could bring in Seth with him? Ben is still only 24, he's not done yet.


I'd play Ben as a big and ask him to rebound the hell out of the ball. Have a quota of 15 shots a game within 10 feet. His shots per game have decreased every year.

On the flip side, he's an absolutely impressive defender. He's somewhere around 6'10", legit, with long arms, and can guard anyone.

You've got to overcompensate with him I think. Make him your go to scorer in every offseason workout, practice, preseason game, etc. He's too willing to play the role player.


I really don't get the "just play Simmons at C" thinking.

What's the point? has he ever been an elite rebounder/shot blocker/finisher? Why not just get a regular old-school C that can hit FT at double the %, be bigger then Ben and make 20% of his salary?

The all point of having a 6"10 Simmons is that he has a great handle, passing and driving. You put him as a C he'll just look worse.

Bam and Dedmon would eat him alive.


Ben's really quick for someone his size, maybe the only Bron quality he has. He can play at a pace that 99% of Centers can't fathom keeping up with. Ben can create open shots that Bam and Dedmon can't; and he's strong enough to guard those guys, not to mention being taller than C's like Bam.

It's the only position he can play as a non-shooter and hide
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Post#252 » by Bishop45 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:21 pm

Would want nothing more than a DeRozan for Simmons trade for both teams
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Post#253 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:34 pm

Bishop45 wrote:Would want nothing more than a DeRozan for Simmons trade for both teams

That makes a lot of sense in a S&T deal especially if the Sixers can also get Lowry.
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Post#254 » by AirP. » Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:17 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
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IggieCC wrote:I'd do it if I were 6ers and never look back.

If I were Blazers... hmm. maybe if I could bring in Seth with him? Ben is still only 24, he's not done yet.


I'd play Ben as a big and ask him to rebound the hell out of the ball. Have a quota of 15 shots a game within 10 feet. His shots per game have decreased every year.

On the flip side, he's an absolutely impressive defender. He's somewhere around 6'10", legit, with long arms, and can guard anyone.

You've got to overcompensate with him I think. Make him your go to scorer in every offseason workout, practice, preseason game, etc. He's too willing to play the role player.


I really don't get the "just play Simmons at C" thinking.

What's the point? has he ever been an elite rebounder/shot blocker/finisher? Why not just get a regular old-school C that can hit FT at double the %, be bigger then Ben and make 20% of his salary?

The all point of having a 6"10 Simmons is that he has a great handle, passing and driving. You put him as a C he'll just look worse.

Bam and Dedmon would eat him alive.


It's mostly about how to utilize Simmons offensively in the halfcourt, basically putting him in Bam's role the last 2 years. On defense either you're switching everything(if you can get a lot of big SFs) or you get a stretch big who can guard centers to pair up with him.

Simmons hasn't tried enough to get a jumper, his statement after being knocked out of the playoffs again indicates he has no real thoughts of putting in the work to try to fix his shot so you just have to treat him as a non shooting big in the halfcourt.

Pop is possibly the only coach that could play mind games with Simmons to get him to want to put in the work to become a better shooter. Possibly "fixing" Simmons would be an great way for Pop to end his HOF career.
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Post#255 » by IggieCC » Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:31 pm

what a waste of talent.

He could be Draymond at the very least. He just needs to be more feisty.
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Post#257 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:07 pm

Weird for Dejounte Murray of all people to be laughing at Benny. He's basically a homeless man's Simmons when it comes to defense and facilitating, but hey good for him that he manages to shoot 31.7% from 3 with that robust 50.9% TS lol
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Post#258 » by Bishop45 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:07 pm

'Jounte can't shoot either, thought he'd be more empathetic
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Post#259 » by IggieCC » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:10 pm

Bishop45 wrote:'Jounte can't shoot either, thought he'd be more empathetic

he's threatened. thus a hundred emojis
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Post#260 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:44 pm

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Bishop45 wrote:'Jounte can't shoot either, thought he'd be more empathetic

he's threatened. thus a hundred emojis

Yup Pop may just ship him out for Simmons now for the hell of it :lol:

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