Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

Post #241 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:39 pm

Spo has to go back to the drawing board with his small ball lineups with Bam back. Playing Bam and Martin at the 4 is not optimal. Spo was getting away with it before because he had a true Center planted into the paint to fix mistakes and get us second chances. Bam needs a big next to him that does that type of dirty work. Organization has to save Spo from himself yet again. Markieff would help out immensely but we need more insurance at that spot considering age of Tucker and health of Keef.

JLop · Post #242 » by **JLop** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:03 pm

Lakers Offered First-Round Pick, Talen Horton-Tucker And Nunn For Jerami Grant

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Nunn hasn't even played for the Lakers and they're offering him in a trade. Ooof!!

carnageta · Post #243 » by **carnageta** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:57 pm

In an alternate universe, Jimmy Butler makes that shot and we're sitting first place in the East right now. Oooff..

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #244 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:01 pm

carnageta wrote:In an alternate universe, Jimmy Butler makes that shot and we're sitting first place in the East right now. Oooff..

I’m still SICK!!

gom · Post #245 » by **gom** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:48 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts · Post #246 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:48 pm

Lonzo out 4-6 weeks
Caruso out 6-8 weeks
KD out 4-6 weeks

Lowry will be back any day and I have a feeling Dipo is back soon. We have to make a run now. Gain some separation. I’d expect the bulls to fall to 4-5 seed.

balla345 · Post #247 » by **balla345** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:30 pm

I feel like offense was way smoother with herro Lowry Yurt lineups than bam and butler.

rate_ · Post #248 » by **rate_** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:37 pm

balla345 wrote:I feel like offense was way smoother with herro Lowry Yurt lineups than bam and butler.

You are correct, especially with Herro. Miami offensive efficiency has been elite this season with Herro, even when he doesn't have Lowry or Jimmy with him on the court to draw defensive attention away from him:

Miami has a 113 ORTG when Herro is on the court without Jimmy or Lowry

heatwillbeback · Post #249 » by **heatwillbeback** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:40 pm

I want to see our main guys together. It’s been forever.

We need them to get games and reps in.

Hopefully Wednesday is the start.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #250 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:15 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts · Post #251 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:16 pm

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carnageta · Post #252 » by **carnageta** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:03 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:

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3ballbomber · Post #253 » by **3ballbomber** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:11 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Spo has to go back to the drawing board with his small ball lineups with Bam back. Playing Bam and Martin at the 4 is not optimal. Spo was getting away with it before because he had a true Center planted into the paint to fix mistakes and get us second chances. Bam needs a big next to him that does that type of dirty work. Organization has to save Spo from himself yet again. Markieff would help out immensely but we need more insurance at that spot considering age of Tucker and health of Keef.

We run well w/ a true 5. It makes life easier for everyone. Having Bam as C there can't be much room for error, things can get tough. I thought the successful stretch w/ Yurt wld have made the coaching staff realise the benefit of having a legit big man. I'm uncertain w/ the continuing infatuation w/ Bam playing full time centre.

3ballbomber · Post #254 » by **3ballbomber** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:30 am

balla345 wrote:I feel like offense was way smoother with herro Lowry Yurt lineups than bam and butler.

Butler reminds me a lot of Wade in the later stage of his career. Slows & stalls the offence affecting our rhythm & efficiency. We look better when we play w/ pace & the ball moves. Butler can often take too long on decision making & the ball tends to stick too long while the D relaxes. Either attack the rim or pass. Frustrating to watch. When Butler was out injured our offence was free flowing, more efficient.

His toughness can often mitigate this by making baskets but when his not on those possessions look horrible as he bogs down the offence. He can struggle against length. He needs to add more to his gm than just the shimmy & looking for contact on drives to get to the line. Much like Wade, In todays era of the 3ball, it hurts his gm to not have it in his arsenal, limiting his bag.

Hallstar · Post #255 » by **Hallstar** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:37 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:

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3ammy3uck3ts · Post #256 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:09 am

What’s crazy to me is that before Jimmy came to Miami he was like historically clutch. And was killing it from 3. What changed?!

eddieheatfan · Post #257 » by **eddieheatfan** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:25 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:What’s crazy to me is that before Jimmy came to Miami he was like historically clutch. And was killing it from 3. What changed?!

somerandomdude · Post #258 » by **somerandomdude** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:23 am

We gotta wait to see how this team performs when fully healthy, but I'm not even optimistic about that.

Lowry is at his best when surrounded by 3 shooters, which means Jimmy isn't exactly the ideal fit.

If Jimmy takes on the playmaking role, Gabe Vincent's 3pt shooting is actually a better fit next to Jimmy as it gives us a 3rd shooter and opens up the offense.

With Lowry and Jimmy, we're really just looking to get out on the break before the other team has a chance to set up their defense. I think that's the vision that Riley and Spo had for this team when they got Lowry, but I don't think we're able to pull this off enough to overcome the fact that we're probably not good enough in half court sets. This is especially concerning in the playoffs where the good teams actually take care of the ball and get back on defense.

If we can't get out on the break when Jimmy and Lowry play, we're putting a lot of pressure on Duncan and PJ to hit 3s. Duncan isn't reliable and PJ isn't a volume shooter. If either of those two guys are off, we'll probably see a lot of Jimmy isos. He's been pretty good at isos this season, so it's not such a bad thing, but our offense doesn't build any rhythm and it doesn't do much to get other guys involved.

I think our half-court offense with Jimmy and Lowry would be a lot better if Lowry were shooting closer to his career numbers and Jimmy could just hit a 3. But since neither of that has happened so far, this team will go through stretches where they struggle offensively.

Bhut Jolokia · Post #259 » by **Bhut Jolokia** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:37 pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybpk9y4x

Trade Tucker and Vincent for Caruso. Tucker and Vincent’s value has never been higher. Bulls are desperate for depth especially at PF too. Caruso is an elite perimeter defender in his prime. Caruso is 27 yrs old and Tucker is 36. Vincent is much improved now to add good value.

I think the Bulls might do this trade now that Caruso is out 2 months. Their starting PF, Williams, is injured and out for the season also. You might as well take advantage of the Heat’s depth and get some value from desperate teams. Oladipo and Morris should be back soon. Tucker and Caruso would be going to contenders still so they won’t be too upset.

HEAT
Lowry / Caruso / Guy
Strus / Herro / Oladipo
Butler / Martin / Duncan
Bam / Morris / Okpala
Yurt / Dedmon / Haslem

BULLS
Ball / Vincent
LaVine / White / Dosunmu
DeRozan / Jones / Green
Tucker / (Williams*)
Vucevic / Bradley

*out for season

rate_ · Post #260 » by **rate_** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:59 pm

Bhut Jolokia wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybpk9y4x

Trade Tucker and Vincent for Caruso. Tucker and Vincent’s value has never been higher. Bulls are desperate for depth especially at PF too. Caruso is an elite perimeter defender in his prime.

I think the Bulls might do this trade now that Caruso is out 2 months. Their starting PF Williams is injured for the season also. Caruso is 27 yrs old and Tucker is 36. Vincent is much improved now to add good value. You might as well take advantage of the teams depth and get some value from desperate teams. Oladipo and Morris should be back soon. Tucker and Caruso going to contenders still so they won’t be too upset.

HEAT
Lowry / Caruso / Guy
Strus / Herro / Oladipo
Butler / Martin / Duncan
Bam / Morris / Okpala
Yurt / Dedmon / Haslem

BULLS
Ball / Vincent
LaVine / White / Dosunmu
DeRozen / Jones / Green
Tucker / (Williams*)
Vucevic / Bradley

*out for season

(1) Huge overpay for Caruso. Vincent is a solid backup PG & point of attack defender himself while a better 3P shooter. Also younger and still potentially can get better. Adding PJ, who is having the best season of his career, with his already championship pedigree/vet leadership and it becomes absurd.

(2) Bam/Yurt lineups won't work unless Yurt is groomed by Miami to space the floor. He has potential to do so as evidenced when he was in the G-league. He shot 38.1% from three on 1.5 attempts. With Jimmy included with that tandem it gets worse because alot of his offense comes from driving to the rim or working in the post. Jimmy/Bam lineups offensively are already bad because of poor spacing. Adding Yurt would just further complicate the issue.