2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Oh man lmao

[Pokuokic]

The Heat at this point are crazy not to take the Houston trade for Jimmy, it does not even need to be for Sengun/SMith even guys like Eason/Whitmare/Thompson/Reed/filler picks would be a great get.

[RexBoyWonder]

Be brutally honest with me trade scenario:

Rox receive Jimmy and Jovic.

Heat receive Dillon, Jabari, Amen, 25 1st rder, and 27 1st rder

Jovic for Jabari is a wash

Amen is a good but flawed prospect, Dillon is just salary to me. Picks will be be mediocre.

It's fair value but rather try to get a better single asset instead of a bunch of lesser assets. We already have depth but we lack elite talent, give me the best prospect we can get in a Jimmy trade.

[twix2500]

You have to remember Jovic hasn't played a full season yet. Gotta give him a full 2 yrs.

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[SA37]

I want that one trade Beenie suggested.

Green, Jabari, Reed, Thompson, 3 1sts and 3 pick swaps for Butler.

Sign me up.

No way Houston gives up all that for Butler.

My feeling is Miami wouldn't want much of what Houston has to offer, not least because they have a lot of young guys who play a similar position to Herro, JJJ, and Rozier. My guess is Miami would be looking to get a 3rd and/or 4th team involved to get more proven veterans in return. So perhaps targeting guys like Jerami Grant or Kyle Kuzma.

Miami gets: J Grant, R Sheppard, and a 1st from Houston

Houston gets: Butler

Portland gets: D Brooks and Amen Thompson

Bam / Bryant
Jovic / Love
Grant / JJJ
Herro / Robinson / Highsmith
Rozier / Sheppard / Richardson

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don’t think wed trade Jimmy but if he went to Houston we’d need to at least get Green. Get the better player than Herro who is 2 years younger then trying to flip Herro and whatever else for a 3,4, or 5

[DayofMourning]

Be brutally honest with me trade scenario:

Rox receive Jimmy and Jovic.

Heat receive Dillon, Jabari, Amen, 25 1st rder, and 27 1st rder

Jovic for Jabari is a wash

Amen is a good but flawed prospect, Dillon is just salary to me. Picks will be be mediocre.

It's fair value but rather try to get a better single asset instead of a bunch of lesser assets. We already have depth but we lack elite talent, give me the best prospect we can get in a Jimmy trade.

I watch Jabari play and I see a player with a higher ceiling than Jovic. Maybe its just the higher vertical?

Amen is an uber athlete who might be moldable into a stud defensive point.

Dillon is salary ballast.

The picks could be wide ranging. Houston has an assortment to work with.

In the end, for us, it resets the clock for us. Its more of me not believing in the long term upside/health for Butler and the potential pitfalls of what that could bring later on. A house divided and all...

[AirP.]

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Oh man lmao

Below, Spoelstra mentions some "other" lineups doing well because Butler can control the lineup meaning he can't control the starting lineup (which is probably why Bam isn't being used much). It's looking like the 2 top players for Miami are being held hostage by the 2 high volume shooting guards handling the ball.

Although not on Twitter but on Reddit from a user named Timantha...

In 40 minutes with the starters, Jimmy Butler has scored 5 points on 1/11 shooting (19% TS, 14% usage). However, with the bench unit, he has scored 29 points on 11 shots (76% TS, 29% usage) in just 28 minutes

Starting unit is him + Herro / Rozier / Jovic / Bam
Bench unit is him + Burks / Jaime / Duncan / Thomas Bryant

And here's Spoelstra mentioning this...

Asked Spo about the change to have Jimmy run with that second unit again:

“I write a few of these lineups down, and I see a lot of those momentum shifting lineups.”

“That’s one, because Jimmy can control it.”

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Although I can get some stats, I've not created a way to scrape play-by-play (no longer wanting to code outside of work) since I've been wondering for years now how Buter's scoring has been with and without Herro on the court. Although this is extreme with the 1 for 11 (FG%), the FGA for Butler being lower in Herro lineups probably isn't. This also may lean into why Miami does better in the playoffs then expected with Herro not being around the last few long playoff runs.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Constant negativity about everything these days is exhausting. Even a statue is not spared.

Well said! To have Wade's statue in from of the Arena is just fantastic!

And that pose could not be more fitting!! Immortalized the “this is my house” moment/pose in front of what we OGs will always remember as his house!!!

I am so happy for Wade and his family! This is a big moment for our legend! FMVP, NBA championships, Olympic gold, name up in the rafters, in the hall of fame, and now a statue and street named after you. These are the fantasies we all imagined growing up as kids shooting hoops… and Wade is still living that dream, with his kids and family there to be inspired by it to boot! Salute to our Miami Heat legend. More than deserved!

[DayofMourning]

I want that one trade Beenie suggested.

Green, Jabari, Reed, Thompson, 3 1sts and 3 pick swaps for Butler.

Sign me up.

No way Houston gives up all that for Butler.

My feeling is Miami wouldn't want much of what Houston has to offer, not least because they have a lot of young guys who play a similar position to Herro, JJJ, and Rozier. My guess is Miami would be looking to get a 3rd and/or 4th team involved to get more proven veterans in return. So perhaps targeting guys like Jerami Grant or Kyle Kuzma.

Miami gets: J Grant, R Sheppard, and a 1st from Houston

Houston gets: Butler

Portland gets: D Brooks and Amen Thompson

Bam / Bryant
Jovic / Love
Grant / JJJ
Herro / Robinson / Highsmith
Rozier / Sheppard / Richardson

Yeah, its too much. I was trolling Beenie a lil bit with that.

Your return is quality. If im nit picking, Id probably rather have Jabari than Jerami.

Would cut Portland out completely.

[DayofMourning]

I don’t think wed trade Jimmy but if he went to Houston we’d need to at least get Green. Get the better player than Herro who is 2 years younger then trying to flip Herro and whatever else for a 3,4, or 5

Greens hot start to this year coupled with his strong finish to last year might make him unattainable.

[AirP.]

I don’t think wed trade Jimmy but if he went to Houston we’d need to at least get Green. Get the better player than Herro who is 2 years younger then trying to flip Herro and whatever else for a 3,4, or 5

Greens hot start to this year coupled with his strong finish to last year might make him unattainable.

Green and Sengun just signed extensions, they're both probably off the table until next year. I don't know how much the CBA changed that situation, if people remember, Herro was nearly untradable (poison pill provision) for a year after signing his extension.

[twix2500]

Thru the first three games of the Terro backcourt

37.6 pts, 29.3 fga, 37 3p%, 8.5 ast

[DayofMourning]

I don’t think wed trade Jimmy but if he went to Houston we’d need to at least get Green. Get the better player than Herro who is 2 years younger then trying to flip Herro and whatever else for a 3,4, or 5

Greens hot start to this year coupled with his strong finish to last year might make him unattainable.

Green and Sengun just signed extensions, they're both probably off the table until next year. I don't know how much the CBA changed that situation, if people remember, Herro was nearly untradable (poison pill provision) for a year after signing his extension.

Hes not trade eligible this year and neither is Sengun.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Spoiler:

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Oh man lmao

Below, Spoelstra mentions some "other" lineups doing well because Butler can control the lineup meaning he can't control the starting lineup (which is probably why Bam isn't being used much). It's looking like the 2 top players for Miami are being held hostage by the 2 high volume shooting guards handling the ball.

Although not on Twitter but on Reddit from a user named Timantha...

In 40 minutes with the starters, Jimmy Butler has scored 5 points on 1/11 shooting (19% TS, 14% usage). However, with the bench unit, he has scored 29 points on 11 shots (76% TS, 29% usage) in just 28 minutes

Starting unit is him + Herro / Rozier / Jovic / Bam
Bench unit is him + Burks / Jaime / Duncan / Thomas Bryant

And here's Spoelstra mentioning this...

Asked Spo about the change to have Jimmy run with that second unit again:

“I write a few of these lineups down, and I see a lot of those momentum shifting lineups.”

“That’s one, because Jimmy can control it.”

Read on Twitter

Although I can get some stats, I've not created a way to scrape play-by-play (no longer wanting to code outside of work) since I've been wondering for years now how Buter's scoring has been with and without Herro on the court. Although this is extreme with the 1 for 11 (FG%), the FGA for Butler being lower in Herro lineups probably isn't. This also may lean into why Miami does better in the playoffs then expected with Herro not being around the last few long playoff runs.

Yea I mentioned a few weeks ago that I was hopeful we’d finally lean on the stars with Bam now adding a 3 ball and Jimmy probably improving even more there as well but I also said I knew that likely wasn’t the case and we’d probably see more of what we saw to end last season post Rozier trade, unfortunately I was right.

Spo likes a lineup that arguably a top 10 player in the league still runs majority of the offense?! Who would’ve thought, maybe having him lead almost every lineup is a good idea!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

“Because Jimmy can control it”

I don’t even fully understand the meaning of that. Spo my guy, that is literally your decision. Idk why you have him deferring to far inferior players

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Kobewade11]

And here's Spoelstra mentioning this...

Asked Spo about the change to have Jimmy run with that second unit again:

“I write a few of these lineups down, and I see a lot of those momentum shifting lineups.”

“That’s one, because Jimmy can control it.”

Read on Twitter

Although I can get some stats, I've not created a way to scrape play-by-play (no longer wanting to code outside of work) since I've been wondering for years now how Buter's scoring has been with and without Herro on the court. Although this is extreme with the 1 for 11 (FG%), the FGA for Butler being lower in Herro lineups probably isn't. This also may lean into why Miami does better in the playoffs then expected with Herro not being around the last few long playoff runs.

We tend to hyper focus on Herro, but if im not mistaken that second unit that really thrived against Charlotte also did not feature Bam or Rozier alongside Jimmy for long spurts. Jimmy has to be the hub, I think that is what Spo is referring to with that unit specifically.

[AirP.]

And here's Spoelstra mentioning this...

Asked Spo about the change to have Jimmy run with that second unit again:

“I write a few of these lineups down, and I see a lot of those momentum shifting lineups.”

“That’s one, because Jimmy can control it.”

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Although I can get some stats, I've not created a way to scrape play-by-play (no longer wanting to code outside of work) since I've been wondering for years now how Buter's scoring has been with and without Herro on the court. Although this is extreme with the 1 for 11 (FG%), the FGA for Butler being lower in Herro lineups probably isn't. This also may lean into why Miami does better in the playoffs then expected with Herro not being around the last few long playoff runs.

We tend to hyper focus on Herro, but if im not mistaken that second unit that really thrived against Charlotte also did not feature Bam or Rozier alongside Jimmy for long spurts. Jimmy has to be the hub, I think that is what Spo is referring to with that unit specifically.

Right, but I say Herro because that's what I've seen for many years now, Rozier is playing basically the same high volume game as Herro does so now Miami has two high volume lower efficiency scorers on the court with Butler and Bam. Bam isn't all that demanding on wanting the ball so I expect his FGA will be much lower this year than previous years while Butler will still try to get his possessions somewhere in the game.

I do believe Spoelstra has decided to play towards Herro and Rozier's strengths in hopes of making them more efficient and expecting the two top guys in Butler and Bam to figure out how they can get their own shots inside of that guard oriented offense. Maybe this is just the new build/system for the long term with this year just a transition to that new system which means slower paced players like Butler and possibly Bam no longer higher options in the offense.

With New York missing thier defensive center, Miami has a chance to start off at 4-1 (although that's not a given) which will make a lot of people hopeful, but by game 20 that hope may be completely erased.

[Kobewade11]

Right, but I say Herro because that's what I've seen for many years now, Rozier is playing basically the same high volume game as Herro does so now Miami has two high volume lower efficiency scorers on the court with Butler and Bam. Bam isn't all that demanding on wanting the ball so I expect his FGA will be much lower this year than previous years while Butler will still try to get his possessions somewhere in the game.

I do believe Spoelstra has decided to play towards Herro and Rozier's strengths in hopes of making them more efficient and expecting the two top guys in Butler and Bam to figure out how they can get their own shots inside of that guard oriented offense. Maybe this is just the new build/system for the long term with this year just a transition to that new system which means slower paced players like Butler and possibly Bam no longer higher options in the offense.

With New York missing thier defensive center, Miami has a chance to start off at 4-1 (although that's not a given) which will make a lot of people hopeful, but by game 20 that hope may be completely erased.

I still believe its something that is going to fluctuate from game to game. Jimmy has the skillset that if he wants to force the issue early he can certainly put his head down and be in attack mode, and to be honest there are some matchups that its going to be exactly what this team needs - I don't think anyone is stopping him.

Now admittedly I'm more of an eye test guy than I am advanced stats, my early observation through three games with the starters is the ball is moving around and Jimmy does have pockets to attack but for whatever reason hasn't been as aggressive as he could be. Herro, perhaps surprising to some, has played the way people have wanted him to play with the starters. He isn't pounding the rock, his shots are coming within the flow of the offense, and he's actually making them at a pretty good clip. Again I'm not really into the advanced stats but I did look up first quarter numbers: 4/7 9 pts, 2/3 5 pts, 3/4 7 pts. Detroit game was on the higher side in terms of fga but he's been efficient to open games.

Long story short I'm not convinced its Spo consciously scheming towards the strengths of the backcourt as much it is Jimmy just not dialing his own number early in games as he has the ability to.