2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3

[Shewasfly]

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They lost Tobin damn lol

First 15 seconds is everything you need to hear tbh (his voice is so annoying, good Lord lol).

The Heat are both showing a profound confidence but also lack of confidence in the "core pieces" of Herro and Bam. Its the same weird dichotomy that the fans have, where Bam and Herro are both terrible, but also one of them (usually Herro) can be traded for 3-4 first round picks. And it is alarming because the FO should not have the same understanding of our team as the average fan.

If you believe they are good enough, how do you not go "all in" to not give them that 1a to compete? KD is an absolute upgrade on Jimmy, and now you also have Ware to add to the fold as well. How does that not warrant investment?

Or, its a signal that you DON'T believe in them enough to think adding KD would put us in contention. In which case...what are we waiting for? Blow it out and get Bam and Herro out of here for draft capital.

[CrossOver]

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Could have gotten it done with Wiggins/Rozier/Jaquez/Jovic/20th/'29 pick swap...kept Herro/Bam/Ware/Duncan contract and future picks. What a complete fumble.

That deal would have been the fumble….

That is 4 FRPs for a past-their-prime star. So many were clamoring to trade for Lowry, Rozier, Oladipo, and even trades that did not happen like Dame. All 4 soured real quick(within 2 years). Unless you shooting for a in-their-prime star/starter player, why would you sacrifice 4-6 years of assets for an up to 2 year window of if-we-are-lucky contention? We are shooting ourselves in the foot in that regard, because we then never have the assets for the prime stars that hit the market.

Wiggins/Rozier/20th pick all are likely to be moved this offseason for something significantly less meaningful than a player of Durant's stature.

Jaquez has been up and down in his career this far and isn't some drastic piece you'll feel hurt moving on from.

Jovic has had glimpses of something but is also due to be extended in a year and has been yo-yo'd on this team in trying to figure what role is best for him.

The pick swap means nothing given that PHX is headed towards a nightmare future regardless.

It's a poo-poo platter of assets that don't drastically shift your future regardless for a 2-3 year window of the best scorer this generation has seen. If you don't get why that is a massive fumble then you are foolish.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

God forbid the Sun or Moon doesn't show up tomorrow. We'll know it's Riley's fault. Side note. I can't believe Riley tore Halliburton's achilles like that.

Daffy he sucks now, it happens to everyone eventually

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Could have gotten it done with Wiggins/Rozier/Jaquez/Jovic/20th/'29 pick swap...kept Herro/Bam/Ware/Duncan contract and future picks. What a complete fumble.

Wow, complete incompetence.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I was literally trying to talk myself into salary and 20 for Monk/Ellis/Derozan this morning because I know it’s coming. Looks like it’ll be Carter instead of Ellis

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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So Jovic and a swap was the difference, wow. I’m pissed again.

[DayofMourning]

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We just mentioned this the other day, DC for 20, lol.

Apparently, hes not the "point" guard they were looking for.

[MiamiLoyal926]

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Could have gotten it done with Wiggins/Rozier/Jaquez/Jovic/20th/'29 pick swap...kept Herro/Bam/Ware/Duncan contract and future picks. What a complete fumble.

That deal would have been the fumble….

That is 4 FRPs for a past-their-prime star. So many were clamoring to trade for Lowry, Rozier, Oladipo, and even trades that did not happen like Dame. All 4 soured real quick(within 2 years). Unless you shooting for a in-their-prime star/starter player, why would you sacrifice 4-6 years of assets for an up to 2 year window of if-we-are-lucky contention? We are shooting ourselves in the foot in that regard, because we then never have the assets for the prime stars that hit the market.

Wiggins/Rozier/20th pick all are likely to be moved this offseason for something significantly less meaningful than a player of Durant's stature.

Jaquez has been up and down in his career this far and isn't some drastic piece you'll feel hurt moving on from.

Jovic has had glimpses of something but is also due to be extended in a year and has been yo-yo'd on this team in trying to figure what role is best for him.

The pick swap means nothing given that PHX is headed towards a nightmare future regardless.

It's a poo-poo platter of assets that don't drastically shift your future regardless for a 2-3 year window of the best scorer this generation has seen. If you don't get why that is a massive fumble then you are foolish.

While a pick swap seems meaningless, it again takes us out of the driver seat with our pick, and it’s about time we get control of all our picks and stop giving them away for foolish over the hill pursuits, or to get out of bad situations just to get into another.

Jacquez and Jovic may not be all star potential, but they are still going to improve year over year, and are going to be better players and have better impact in 2 years than today. By sending them out for a player with 2 year window, you are essentially cutting the natural progression and development cycle of a FRP, that tends to take anywhere from 3-4 years, all to inflate your excitement today. It’s an instant gratification type move. Do it for a player around 30-32, not 35+ and making supermax-type money.

[Shewasfly]

Idk. I guess we'll see if the true offer ever comes out, but if it was Wiggins/JJJ/Rozier/20th and we just never offered Jovic even knowing they were about to go with Houston...I'm confused again. Because huh? What is the goal?

I have an easier time believing that we did actually offer that much and were close to closing. Houston saw that, and then threw in the trump card (#10) to seal it for themselves. But maybe I'm just in denial about how far gone our FO truly is.

[greg4012]

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We just mentioned this the other day, DC for 20, lol.

Apparently, hes not the "point" guard they were looking for.

Devin Carter def ain't the guy to solve an offense's playmaking issues. But, damn hard to believe they would trade him for the 20th pick after drafting him 13th last year and barely seeing him play. But, it is the kings.

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That deal would have been the fumble….

That is 4 FRPs for a past-their-prime star. So many were clamoring to trade for Lowry, Rozier, Oladipo, and even trades that did not happen like Dame. All 4 soured real quick(within 2 years). Unless you shooting for a in-their-prime star/starter player, why would you sacrifice 4-6 years of assets for an up to 2 year window of if-we-are-lucky contention? We are shooting ourselves in the foot in that regard, because we then never have the assets for the prime stars that hit the market.

Wiggins/Rozier/20th pick all are likely to be moved this offseason for something significantly less meaningful than a player of Durant's stature.

Jaquez has been up and down in his career this far and isn't some drastic piece you'll feel hurt moving on from.

Jovic has had glimpses of something but is also due to be extended in a year and has been yo-yo'd on this team in trying to figure what role is best for him.

The pick swap means nothing given that PHX is headed towards a nightmare future regardless.

It's a poo-poo platter of assets that don't drastically shift your future regardless for a 2-3 year window of the best scorer this generation has seen. If you don't get why that is a massive fumble then you are foolish.

While a pick swap seems meaningless, it again takes us out of the driver seat with our pick, and it’s about time we get control of all our picks and stop giving them away for foolish over the hill pursuits, or to get out of bad situations just to get into another.

Jacquez and Jovic may not be all star potential, but they are still going to improve year over year, and are going to be better players and have better impact in 2 years than today. By sending them out for a player with 2 year window, you are essentially cutting the natural progression and development cycle of a FRP, that tends to take anywhere from 3-4 years, all to inflate your excitement today. It’s an instant gratification type move. Do it for a player around 30-32, not 35+ and making supermax-type money.

A pick swap still means you have a pick in that draft. It's not nearly as significant as giving up actual future picks which they would have kept in the deal Shams mentioned. There were avenues to improve the team still AFTER making that potential deal. I do not understand being abrasive to giving up the likes of Jovic and Jaquez for Durant. "Oh someone better might come along and use them for that then" is such a misguided thought because the better future option is going to cost so much more than those guys.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We just mentioned this the other day, DC for 20, lol.

Apparently, hes not the "point" guard they were looking for.

Apparently NO ONE is the PG they’re looking for

[Shewasfly]

Those who were beating their drum about how "bad" KD is because he's 37. And how much of a "snake" he is (still ridiculous to me. If KD is a snake for joining the Warriors, wtf was LeBron?). Well...you guys got it your way. We didn't trade for him. Prepare to defend your position all season lol

[Kobewade11]

37 year old KD just wasn't the guy to push all tradeable assets to the center of the table for. And I don't buy "they wouldn't include Jovic" who was just in the Dame package as if he's some deal breaker. It would have taken all the young guys + multiple picks

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Idk if I’m more shocked at how far gone the front office is or the fact that people are STILL defending them. Crazy to me

[MettaWorldPanda]

I was literally trying to talk myself into salary and 20 for Monk/Ellis/Derozan this morning because I know it’s coming. Looks like it’ll be Carter instead of Ellis

20 for Carter doesn’t make any sense. He was a lottery pick last year. They boasted about how bad they wanted him last year.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I was literally trying to talk myself into salary and 20 for Monk/Ellis/Derozan this morning because I know it’s coming. Looks like it’ll be Carter instead of Ellis

20 for Carter doesn’t make any sense. He was a lottery pick last year. They boasted about how bad they wanted him last year.

Yea I have no clue why they’re already trying to trade him, must be not liked the little bit they did see out of him

[MettaWorldPanda]

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We just mentioned this the other day, DC for 20, lol.

Apparently, hes not the "point" guard they were looking for.

I don’t believe this at all. And if they sell low on him i would be concerned about some type of injury he must be dealing with.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Must be trying to make it up to Bam for striking out on another one of his guys.