Fire Spoelstra

BIRDMAN BIRDMAN · Post #261 » by **BIRDMAN BIRDMAN** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:59 am

And it BEGINS.

A source just told me that Pat Riley was at ARMANI today buying new suits. Is Riley contemplating a comeback?

http://twitter.com/MikeMarchant

Kingsforlife · Post #262 » by **Kingsforlife** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:00 am

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Heat3 · Post #263 » by **Heat3** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:28 pm

I changed my mind. Don't fire Spo.

Post #264 » by **kyphi** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:02 pm

don't fire him.......yet. The intense personalities are going to have to come to some type of concensus. Still, LeBron's comments are, I think, are veiled and he'd prefer Riley over Spo, which isn't going to help find concensus.

I thought the Heat could go at least one season before this crap started popping up.

kapono24UCLA · Post #265 » by **kapono24UCLA** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:12 pm

It just seems the big 3 is bigger than the coach. I have not seen anything to really confirm this point, but it seems that way. A hall of fame coach on the other hand, demands respect from his players. I don't doubt Spo is a great coach, but I am unsure if he has the personality to lead a team with 3 players so great as Wade, LeBron & Bosh and the personalities that come with greatness. It would be unfortunate to lose Spo after all he has done for the Miami Heat and what an asset he is, but there is no way he stays in Miami if Pat comes back to the bench.

I think it is inevitable that he does.

MiamiNative0722 · Post #266 » by **MiamiNative0722** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:39 pm

Give spo one month

AllBall · Post #267 » by **AllBall** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:42 pm

I'm giving him until the end of this year. But most likely if we lose the Dec. 25th game against the Lakers, the pressure will be so much that somethings gonna give. Especially if we lost more games along the way.

HIF · Post #268 » by **HIF** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:51 pm

AllBall wrote:I'm giving him until the end of this year. But most likely if we lose the Dec. 25th game against the Lakers, the pressure will be so much that somethings gonna give. Especially if we lost more games along the way.

Just WOW!

You're saying that the Heat can win every game betwenn now and Dec 25 and then lose to the lakers and he should be fired

WOW!

I feel sorry for Pat Riley.

Miami's Finest · Post #269 » by **Miami's Finest** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:50 pm

Outside of him being buddy buddy with Wade there is not a single good reason to keep him. My biggest problem with him is how slow he is to adjust. I know he's clueless about offense but even on the defensive side he'll just let the same thing happen over and over before he realizes its not working. Then when you see his halftime and postgame speeches you realize he's just a complete joke. The entire TNT crew mocked it for being so rhetorical and soft.

I'm so sick of him making excuses for himself and the players. The process talk is ridiculous when we are not making any progress... he still runs the same 1 v 5 pick and pop offense. He is not capable of installing a real offense. How did Boston put together their Big 3 and start 19-2 (and went 3 months before their 4th loss) or New Orleans with 10 new players this year started 7-0 but we look so disjointed. It's pathetic how much talent we have and still are so ugly to watch on offense.

He may be good as an assistant working with player shots and making highlight tapes, but he's an absolutely terrible head coach. In a 7 game series you have to adjust quick and see possible advantages and exploit it, any good coach will just continue to abuse him. And this is nothing new; anybody that has followed the Heat has seen his mistakes and flaws over and over for 3 years now.

For a team as special as this 1, the players and fans deserve better than this unqualified idiot. Hopefully it won't take a year of these guys in their prime before we realize he's not capable of leading them anywhere.

WD · Post #270 » by WD » Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:12 pm

I have so much to say about this, but i'll sum it up by saying 1 or 2 things.

With all the off season pressure and hype surrounding this team/lebron/FA's - I think this team needed a brand new coaching staff (everybody) and philosophy). I do not believe (although I have no choice) but to support) that this staff has what it takes (adjustment experience, motivational technique, etc.) to run this type of team. They(this staff) needs a team of younger players, not a vet laiden team.

In tonight's game, just do 1 simple thing, when the camera pans over to our bench, ask yourself, is that a championship staff? - Unfortunately Erics our coach, I hate it, but I have no choice but to support it -

P.S. I don't think Pat Riley is the coach for this team either at this stage. Erics using a modified version of Pat Riley's playbook (offense and defense) - remember that 15 win season. People say it's only been 9 or 10 games, but actually it's been since last season, everythings the same except for the players.

Now back to the hurricanes game.

HeatSince88 · Post #271 » by **HeatSince88** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:36 pm

I'm curious as to what Riley's short list might look like, if not himself of course. Maybe ...

1) Jeff Van Gundy ............. once loyal assistant, but are they still on good terms?
2) Mike Fratello (ugh) ........ close friend, defensive-minded, motion halfcourt offense
3) Mark Jackson ................ hot name annually, but strikes me as glib and uninspiring

?

I dunno, just some guesses.

Post #272 » by **Flash3** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:40 pm

I always thought that if Riley isn't coming down and I don't think he will, it will come down to Fratello. We've been linked to him for a few years before Spo took over and then if "we got the big 3" as well.

Fratello has an O-set, but how effective will it be with this trio?

HeatSince88 · Post #273 » by **HeatSince88** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:45 pm

That's actually the reason I mentioned "motion halfcourt offense" for Fratello: it's actually ideal for a team without a PG/C but with quick, creative talent on the wings.

That said, Fratello ball means winning ugly. But I suppose it's better than losing ugly.

Post #274 » by **Flash3** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:48 pm

Our offense should be predicated on our defensive play, especially with the talent we have. Yet for some reason, while we lead the league in defense, the plays being made on the D end just aren't there. That may be change if we get another coach here.

The way our rotations work and always have, it's the PF and C MUST help on shooters and that more times than not leaves another player open (i.e. Ben Gordon, Rip Hamilton, Ray Allen over the years). Maybe Fratello's defensive schemes but might different and benefit us even more.

I mean, how many times have you had Haslem running to the 3 point line late to just get a hand in the shooter's face?

mitchco · Post #275 » by **mitchco** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:54 pm

I think this team was built to run. We should be dominating in the full-court.

The problem is we can't rebound worth a crap and our defense sucks. We need to start thinking about changing our system a little. We have to find a way to get more rebounds. Something needs to be done about our front court. We need to get out and run, and our half court offense needs to be much more fluid.

HIF · Post #276 » by **HIF** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:43 pm

Surely the "fire Spoelstra" banners are a bit weak. Try something like "Spo Must GO" it's got more pazzazz.

nonemus · Post #277 » by **nonemus** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:23 pm

Isn't it true that Larry Brown didnt sign an extension with the Bobcats?

TheAnkh · Post #278 » by **TheAnkh** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:22 pm

Miami's Finest wrote:Outside of him being buddy buddy with Wade there is not a single good reason to keep him.

I don't even think he's buddy buddy with Wade the way everyone thinks. Wade questioned Spo's game plan openly last year, and he put Arroyo in the starting lineup even when Wade pretty obviously preferred Chalmers next to him in the back court.

But I agree with whoever was saying that Riley is not the answer everyone thinks he is. Whether we want to admit it or not, Spo is running Riley's offense. Riley might be the answer as an interim coach for this year because at the very least he can motivate and make adjustments, but long term a new system is necessary and that'll come with a new coach. Or a whole new set of assistant coaches.

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #279 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:24 pm

TheAnkh wrote:
Miami's Finest wrote:Outside of him being buddy buddy with Wade there is not a single good reason to keep him.

I don't even think he's buddy buddy with Wade the way everyone thinks. Wade questioned Spo's game plan openly last year, and he put Arroyo in the starting lineup even when Wade pretty obviously preferred Chalmers next to him in the back court.

But I agree with whoever was saying that Riley is not the answer everyone thinks he is. Whether we want to admit it or not, Spo is running Riley's offense. Riley might be the answer as an interim coach for this year because at the very least he can motivate and make adjustments, but long term a new system is necessary and that'll come with a new coach. Or a whole new set of assistant coaches.

Its a simplified version of Riley's offense. Beyond that, Riley has shown he can be versatile (Showtime Lakers) and he's far better at designing plays, even if their basic offensive principles are similar.

salqaddoumi · Post #280 » by **salqaddoumi** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:34 am

HeatSince88 wrote:I'm curious as to what Riley's short list might look like, if not himself of course. Maybe ...

1) Jeff Van Gundy ............. once loyal assistant, but are they still on good terms?
2) Mike Fratello (ugh) ........ close friend, defensive-minded, motion halfcourt offense
3) Mark Jackson ................ hot name annually, but strikes me as glib and uninspiring

?

I dunno, just some guesses.

Have you heard JVG's appearances on 790 the Ticket the last few years? They most definitely are not on good terms.

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