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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#261 » by Hallstar » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:19 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:I wouldn't say our 4 best players don't fit. Honestly, Dragic + Bosh + Whiteside should fit just fine.

Bosh clears the paint for Hassan and Dragic plays P&P with Bosh and P&R with White.

The issue is, Those 3 really need 2 great shooters next to them to space the floor.

Dragic
Wesley Matthews
Batum
Bosh
Whiteside

That's a swell starting 5 that fits great. Problem is we don't have Wesley Matthews and Batum, We have Wade and Justise.

It's not like Wesley Matthews and Batum are greater talents, they just fit much better next to our future core (Dragon Bosh White)

With justice you can be an optimist and hope he can really improve his 3 point shooting quickly, But with Wade and his style...I don't know how you fit that in. I really don't.

Dragon
Wade
Justise
Bosh
Whiteside

I don't even know who do we consider our core going forward. are all 5 our Core?


The problem is that the only pieces on there I would consider building a team around are Wade and Bosh, and you can build a defense around Whiteside, so he's in too.

Now obviously Wade's too old to build long term, but he's still the best option you've got for now. I would blow it up after he retires anyway, 'cause Bosh will be mid 30s and Dragic isn't leading us anywhere imo. Now you have to head back in to the lottery for a star probably if Winslow doesn't take the next step, but we have picks tied up in the Dragic trade.

Everybody else is just a piece
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#262 » by Bishop45 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:11 am

For fun, which team would Hassan be better on? Chicago, Pelicans, Clippers, Rockets, Blazers, Washington or Celtics?
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#263 » by KingDavid » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:18 am

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RexBoyWonder wrote:I wouldn't say our 4 best players don't fit. Honestly, Dragic + Bosh + Whiteside should fit just fine.

Bosh clears the paint for Hassan and Dragic plays P&P with Bosh and P&R with White.

The issue is, Those 3 really need 2 great shooters next to them to space the floor.

Dragic
Wesley Matthews
Batum
Bosh
Whiteside

That's a swell starting 5 that fits great. Problem is we don't have Wesley Matthews and Batum, We have Wade and Justise.

It's not like Wesley Matthews and Batum are greater talents, they just fit much better next to our future core (Dragon Bosh White)

With justice you can be an optimist and hope he can really improve his 3 point shooting quickly, But with Wade and his style...I don't know how you fit that in. I really don't.

Dragon
Wade
Justise
Bosh
Whiteside

I don't even know who do we consider our core going forward. are all 5 our Core?


The problem is that the only pieces on there I would consider building a team around are Wade and Bosh, and you can build a defense around Whiteside, so he's in too.

Now obviously Wade's too old to build long term, but he's still the best option you've got for now. I would blow it up after he retires anyway, 'cause Bosh will be mid 30s and Dragic isn't leading us anywhere imo. Now you have to head back in to the lottery for a star probably if Winslow doesn't take the next step, but we have picks tied up in the Dragic trade.

Everybody else is just a piece

So we're basically **** until some more moves happen.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#264 » by gom » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:28 am

Bishop45 wrote:For fun, which team would Hassan be better on? Chicago, Pelicans, Clippers, Rockets, Blazers, Washington or Celtics?


Mavericks and not fun (for us)
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#265 » by Bishop45 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:37 am

gom wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:For fun, which team would Hassan be better on? Chicago, Pelicans, Clippers, Rockets, Blazers, Washington or Celtics?


Mavericks and not fun (for us)


I think Chicago, they've got great young guys and some solid vets. Plus they always draft well, like always... it's scary.

I don't want to think about him leaving but we're in a tough spot right now and I don't think we're going to be as clutch as usual... I hope I'm wrong
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#266 » by Bishop45 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:40 am

Here's a bench view of the game winner, when it looked like he was pouting

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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#267 » by Dmcdani6 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:46 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:I wouldn't say our 4 best players don't fit. Honestly, Dragic + Bosh + Whiteside should fit just fine.

Bosh clears the paint for Hassan and Dragic plays P&P with Bosh and P&R with White.

The issue is, Those 3 really need 2 great shooters next to them to space the floor.

Dragic
Wesley Matthews
Batum
Bosh
Whiteside

That's a swell starting 5 that fits great. Problem is we don't have Wesley Matthews and Batum, We have Wade and Justise.

It's not like Wesley Matthews and Batum are greater talents, they just fit much better next to our future core (Dragon Bosh White)

With justice you can be an optimist and hope he can really improve his 3 point shooting quickly, But with Wade and his style...I don't know how you fit that in. I really don't.

Dragon
Wade
Justise
Bosh
Whiteside

I don't even know who do we consider our core going forward. are all 5 our Core?



Beat me to it. I think Winslow,Bosh,Dragic,Whiteside is our core. It sucks, just Wade can't space the floor. I think when he goes, we might become a bit faster and less reliant on iso-centric ball. I think thats why Dragic is struggling so much cause hes trying to fit more of the half-court scheme, instead of running more.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#268 » by gom » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:46 am

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gom wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:For fun, which team would Hassan be better on? Chicago, Pelicans, Clippers, Rockets, Blazers, Washington or Celtics?


Mavericks and not fun (for us)


I think Chicago, they've got great young guys and some solid vets. Plus they always draft well, like always... it's scary.

I don't want to think about him leaving but we're in a tough spot right now and I don't think we're going to be as clutch as usual... I hope I'm wrong


There is still a lot of season to go and plenty of time to find out what we're about. My expectations remain high: I want to see us return to the postseason, preferably with home court advantage, but the East is stronger than last year so I think (just as I did at the beginning of the season) we're 45-37 and finish 6th. To me that would be a PHENOMENAL result.

Bonus points if we make it to the second round. Beyond that I refuse to speculate.

This is what I'd like to see get done before next season:

1. Execute a trade to get under tax and clear a roster space.
2. Develop another bench player that can help us off the bench. I've given some names in previous posts.
3. In the offseason, sign Whiteside, Wade, and TJ.
4. Work on player development of Whiteside (who has had almost no coaching in his career), TJ, Richardson, Stokes, and Winslow.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#269 » by gom » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:51 am

Bishop45 wrote:
gom wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:For fun, which team would Hassan be better on? Chicago, Pelicans, Clippers, Rockets, Blazers, Washington or Celtics?


Mavericks and not fun (for us)


I think Chicago, they've got great young guys and some solid vets. Plus they always draft well, like always... it's scary.

I don't want to think about him leaving but we're in a tough spot right now and I don't think we're going to be as clutch as usual... I hope I'm wrong


Yeah, I would hate to see that. Despite my penchant for Chicago cheerleaders which is documented:

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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#270 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:55 am

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RexBoyWonder wrote:I wouldn't say our 4 best players don't fit. Honestly, Dragic + Bosh + Whiteside should fit just fine.

Bosh clears the paint for Hassan and Dragic plays P&P with Bosh and P&R with White.

The issue is, Those 3 really need 2 great shooters next to them to space the floor.

Dragic
Wesley Matthews
Batum
Bosh
Whiteside

That's a swell starting 5 that fits great. Problem is we don't have Wesley Matthews and Batum, We have Wade and Justise.

It's not like Wesley Matthews and Batum are greater talents, they just fit much better next to our future core (Dragon Bosh White)

With justice you can be an optimist and hope he can really improve his 3 point shooting quickly, But with Wade and his style...I don't know how you fit that in. I really don't.

Dragon
Wade
Justise
Bosh
Whiteside

I don't even know who do we consider our core going forward. are all 5 our Core?



Beat me to it. I think Winslow,Bosh,Dragic,Whiteside is our core. It sucks, just Wade can't space the floor. I think when he goes, we might become a bit faster and less reliant on iso-centric ball. I think thats why Dragic is struggling so much cause hes trying to fit more of the half-court scheme, instead of running more.

sunny thing is, whiteside gets half his offense production from wade. dragic is clueless how to get a big the ball
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#271 » by smartcane » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:05 am

The thing is Wade in a line up with TJ, Green or Dragic along with Deng,McRoberts or Bosh down low does not have spacing issues. The problem is that Spo plays Wade and Whiteside together a lot because Wade is the best at getting Whiteside the ball on the pick and roll. This creates the spacing issue because you have 2 non-shooter on the floor. This also happens when he put Winslow and wade in together. I Think for this offense to take off, Spo has to limit how much Wade and Whiteside are on the floor together or at least make sure when they are on the floor together you run them on pick and rolls to involve there man on the the ball and limit how much they can help.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#272 » by KingDavid » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:10 am

smartcane wrote:The thing is Wade in a line up with TJ, Green or Dragic along with Deng,McRoberts or Bosh down low does not have spacing issues. The problem is that Spo plays Wade and Whiteside together a lot because Wade is the best at getting Whiteside the ball on the pick and roll. This creates the spacing issue because you have 2 non-shooter on the floor. This also happens when he put Winslow and wade in together. I Think for this offense to take off, Spo has to limit how much Wade and Whiteside are on the floor together or at least make sure when they are on the floor together you run them on pick and rolls to involve there man on the the ball and limit how much they can help.

You can play a slashing ball handler with a non-shooting big if you're surrounded by shooters. Wade needs to hero-ball less and Whiteside needs to pass quicker and more often.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#273 » by Dupas » Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:11 pm

What a kiddo this guy is.The heat were the team that bring you to the nba while other teams were shtting on you.You got your lvl up on 2K.Now gtfo mia.You dont deserve to be here.Good riddance
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#274 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:18 pm

Dupas wrote:What a kiddo this guy is.The heat were the team that bring you to the nba while other teams were shtting on you.You got your lvl up on 2K.Now gtfo mia.You dont deserve to be here.Good riddance



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Post#275 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:42 pm

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Post#276 » by gom » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:44 pm

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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#277 » by smartcane » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:20 pm

KingDavid wrote:
smartcane wrote:The thing is Wade in a line up with TJ, Green or Dragic along with Deng,McRoberts or Bosh down low does not have spacing issues. The problem is that Spo plays Wade and Whiteside together a lot because Wade is the best at getting Whiteside the ball on the pick and roll. This creates the spacing issue because you have 2 non-shooter on the floor. This also happens when he put Winslow and wade in together. I Think for this offense to take off, Spo has to limit how much Wade and Whiteside are on the floor together or at least make sure when they are on the floor together you run them on pick and rolls to involve there man on the the ball and limit how much they can help.

You can play a slashing ball handler with a non-shooting big if you're surrounded by shooters. Wade needs to hero-ball less and Whiteside needs to pass quicker and more often.



You are correct but while you probable can get Wade to hero ball less,I am not sure if you can get Whiteside to pass more.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#278 » by jereseja » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:39 pm

They practice passing with Dragic lately but hes still to slow and to clumsy, aloooooot of practice is name of the game here but at least they practice these now. People expect too much over night from someone who didnt play 1 NBA season.
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Re: Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max 

Post#279 » by LEIF » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:27 pm

Plain & simple, if Bosh & Whiteside cannot play together for the majority of the game, and especially late in games against good teams, then their is no way we can give him the max and have our 2 highest paid players unable to play together.
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Post#280 » by Rich2Hassan » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:19 pm

LEIF wrote:Plain & simple, if Bosh & Whiteside cannot play together for the majority of the game, and especially late in games against good teams, then their is no way we can give him the max and have our 2 highest paid players unable to play together.

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