Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[heatwillbeback]

Nunn will obviously get guaranteed.

Maten is the question. Unless we make a trade, I think he makes the team. We can’t even afford a vet minimum right now. How cheap Maten is may get him a slot.

[AirP.]

That would be a nice contrat to get much further below the hard cap.

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[Rapaz]

Hold up. We’re getting

2 firsts for taking Paul
and
1 extra first for “losing” Spo

Can this off-season get any better?!

[Beenie]

Fiorentino takes himself way too seriously and he's a bad arguer.

Wrong guy to defend the squad.

I read it differently. Kakich is the ass here, clearly. WTF has Brad Stevens won?

That's an actual argument unlike Fiorentino's which was basically that Spo is a hard worker. Every coach in the NBA is assumed to be a hard worker.

[Flash4thewin]

I don't know why Beal next off-season is a pipedream. He's only signed through 2021, and I doubt Washington will contend this season, given the injury to Wall. Beal will be 27 next season and looking forward to moving somewhere competitive. Miami seems a good place, and we'll be better financially.

At the trade deadline we have Dragic + Meyers Leonard as expirings in 2020. Olynyk, Waiters, and James Johnson will all be expirings in 2021. We have a 2020 draft pick we can offer to Washington on draft night too. Right now it's tough to trade for Beal, but Washington won't look as good at the trade deadline if they aren't in playoff contention. They'll have the same choice every team faces with free agency. Get something for him now or wait for him to walk in 2021.

All we need to do is (1) win games (2) show improvements with our youth and (3) not purchase a big fat contract like Chris Paul's. If we don't do something stupid, we can reel him in.

If you are referring to my comment Gom I was more so referring to Giannis part of that comment being the pipe dream people seem to think on here. I agree I think it's more than likely that Beal will be available in 2021 or before that. As far as Giannis goes I'm just not confident Milwaukee are going to be able to keep him there. He might be a super loyal guy or prefer the supermax money and stay there but I just have never seen Milwaukee retain a big named player for the duration of their career, so I'm not confident that he will decide to stay especially with their team locked into a lesser version of their team last year beyond 2021.

Sorry. I wasn't referring specifically to yours, dean456. It was just my general (somewhat sleepy) reaction after reading several pages of comments.

I generally agree with you, though I feel Giannis is a lot tougher get. Bucks have a great chance to win everything now, and, frankly, they better pull it off. I can't see the Greek Freak being patient for very long.

The big issues i see is that we dont have that connect to Beal like we did with Butler and Wade. Beal also has that Butler mentality of being the man on his team and wanting to show the world what he can do with a team building around him. No idea what he wants long term but unless we have someone in communication with him, its like someone said Pat is playing the long game but if Beal is not playing? When it comes to a lack of assets this is where Paul helps because he will make our players look better for a prospective trade. Bam might be feasting on Lobs and what not, Herro might get shots where he is comfortable all making them more valuable in a trade. No idea what is the right move other than we have Butler with miles on his legs and are on the clock. We allegedly told him he would be getting help to get him to sign. Telling a FA to wait a year sure wont go well with future FA. I expect another trade maybe during the season.

[Picklewagon]

In the seven seasons spo has coached without Lebron, we’ve either missed the playoffs or lost in the first round 6 times. Sorry, but if you need a top 5 goat and multiple hall of famersto actually win a playoff round, it doesn’t scream good coach

[Dr_Heat]

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[Vertical Limit]

The misguided Spo hate is what has made this board unreadable.. really, I want all of you hating on the dude to tell me what expectations you all had with the rosters given to him after the big 3. Because i will tell you now my opinion, he’s overachieved. We should have been in the lottery looking at the top 5 every season. This front office has built a winner twice the past two decades, when they acquired Shaq, and when they acquired Lebron and Bosh. In other words, they been successful when they acquired top tier talent.

Everyone here is so high on Butler all of a sudden... really this feels like when we acquired Dragic. It was pointless, we basically acquired the lead hamster on the treadmill. Chances are we are not going to be able to pair him with another star till 2021 unless Bam becomes that guy. This front office does things just to make a move, to be in the mix.. it’s like they just go braindead and just sign players.. why was Waiters, James Johnson, Tyler Johnson and Olynyk signed again? And fine sign them, but why on that size and length of deal? Who were we bidding against these must have talents?

Let’s ask this front office to build a team that can win 50 games like the Nuggets or the Spurs have over the last decade without a first tier star - that’s a challenge our front office has yet to complete. And this is the East we are talking about, the Nuggets and Spurs have it tougher in the West according to what everybody says.

So yeah, i think we got to look at the hand Spo has been dealt.. and i also want to see a list of coaches you all think that would be better than Spoelstra, that coach that’s going to take this current roster and make them into scary winners. And the first idiot that says Ty Lue, you can turn in your heat fan card as you leave out the door.

[MartyCONLONNN]

The big issues i see is that we dont have that connect to Beal like we did with Butler and Wade. Beal also has that Butler mentality of being the man on his team and wanting to show the world what he can do with a team building around him. No idea what he wants long term but unless we have someone in communication with him, its like someone said Pat is playing the long game but if Beal is not playing? When it comes to a lack of assets this is where Paul helps because he will make our players look better for a prospective trade. Bam might be feasting on Lobs and what not, Herro might get shots where he is comfortable all making them more valuable in a trade. No idea what is the right move other than we have Butler with miles on his legs and are on the clock. We allegedly told him he would be getting help to get him to sign. Telling a FA to wait a year sure wont go well with future FA. I expect another trade maybe during the season.

From some of Beal's comments this past season, it's clear that front office and coaching stability is something that appeals to him. He was vocal about that. Only so few places that really offer that. Add to the obvious appeal of the location, lifestyle and taxes and you could assume that we'd be at the very least an intriguing option for a player of his ilk. I'd imagine winning would factor in too after being so many bad teams. A lot can change but as it stands 2021 Miami Heat stands to check those boxes.

I don't buy that Butler is so dense that he believes we won't need another star. Especially in this era of star duos. But as he ages and adjusts his game and mind to what the Heat's goals are, I imagine he would welcome another high level talent that compliments him and moves the team closer to contention.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Winslow needs to improve on free throws, finger rolls and layups.

[HIF]

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Oh a lot of Heat fans are not going to like that.

Too many love to blame spo.

[Beenie]

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Regardless of the legitimacy of this random twitter insider's info, I like the idea of adding Covington.

[fishfuego.]

Winslow needs to improve on free throws, finger rolls and layups.

Winslow needs to improve his offense period lol.
Look the guy has been in the league since 2015 season. It’s time.

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[MartyCONLONNN]

Covington would be an ideal starting stretch 4. Front court of Jimmy, Covington and Bam being able to switch on everything is Spo's heaven. They do have a glut with Wiggins, Okogie , Culver, Deing, so maybe they'd be open to KO as they could use another serviceable big? Doubt it but fun to think about.

[MiamiLoyal926]

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I have discovered Iras sources.... RealGM!!!

He literally echoed just about everything we have said and disputed in here over the last few days. Our 2 picks back and CP makes us top half in east playoffs.

Glad to see we all agree, including the media... for the exception of that hack saying we are trading Winslow and Bam... pfff

[TheDon_5]

2 picks plus Paul for expirings. I like it. Won’t happen.

[The Bunk]

Huge fan of RoCo -- one of my favorite 3&D glue guys in the NBA. Would fit in perfectly here, and can probably be a stretch 4 for us.

Wonder what type of compensation they'd ask for? He's on an excellent value deal.

[miamiballer]

would either team do a winslow for Covington deal straight up

bam
Covington
butler
waiters
dragic or paul

[Beenie]

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