2023 Heat Season Thread - Let me dream edition

[HEATVols865]

Watch Riley selling our franchise’s soul to the devil and landing a big 3 of Jimmy, Dame and Embiid.

Personally, I’d prefer Dame over Embiid.


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[carnageta]

Time and time again, Bam is proving he's one of the best bigs in a playoff setting in our system. Would trading Bam + Herro + picks for Embiid really be the better move than, say, trading Herro + picks for another borderline all-star to pair next to Butler while keeping Adebayo?

[twix2500]

This is going to be a tough tough matchup, unlike the Bucks, who the Heat have always matchup well against. Got a gift in seeing the trash Knicks in the second round. Ultimately I do not think the Heat role players are good enough to matchup against the Celtics this year. Hopefully the role players prove me wrong and play well.

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[AirP.]

Time and time again, Bam is proving he's one of the best bigs in a playoff setting in our system. Would trading Bam + Herro + picks for Embiid really be the better move than, say, trading Herro + picks for another borderline all-star to pair next to Butler while keeping Adebayo?

The system would have to change if Miami were to move Bam.

I don't think it's necessary to move Bam to have a strong chance at winning a title, I don't think they have to have another star, but Butler and Bam need more consistency in 3pt shooting around them plus as few of holes in the defense as possible. When this team is hitting 3s they're damn hard to beat, when they don't make their 3s it's a huge issue. Find some vet 3&d type guys and this team is set although Lowry will have to be replaced soon.

Miami currently only has to win 8 more games to get the Championship but a lot of that will ride on the lesser paid players hitting 3s at a decent clip.

[carnageta]

This is going to be a tough tough matchup, unlike the Bucks, who the Heat have always matchup well against. Got a gift in seeing the trash Knicks in the second round. Ultimately I do not think the Heat role players are good enough to matchup against the Celtics this year. Hopefully the role players prove me wrong and play well.

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Meh.. hindsight is 20/20. Before the playoffs started we all wanted the 7th seed so we can play the Celtics in the first round as opposed to the Bucks since we thought Milwaukee would steamroll us and Boston was the easier team match-up wise.

Truth is, both teams are a problem but in different ways. Boston is very perimeter oriented where as the Bucks kill you inside. Our current team is actually better suited to defend against the former as opposed to the latter.

[twix2500]

This is going to be a tough tough matchup, unlike the Bucks, who the Heat have always matchup well against. Got a gift in seeing the trash Knicks in the second round. Ultimately I do not think the Heat role players are good enough to matchup against the Celtics this year. Hopefully the role players prove me wrong and play well.

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Meh.. hindsight is 20/20. Before the playoffs started we all wanted the 7th seed so we can play the Celtics in the first round as opposed to the Bucks since we thought Milwaukee would steamroll us and Boston was the easier team match-up wise.

Truth is, both teams are a problem but in different ways. Boston is very perimeter oriented where as the Bucks kill you inside. Our current team is actually better suited to defend against the former as opposed to the latter.

I didn't want the Celtics. I wanted the Bucks. Because the Heat always had a good system to beat the Bucks. Prior to last year the Celtics were young and dumb and without the right role players. Getting over the hump on the Heat last season was a huge accomplishment for that team. Coaching thou will be a huge factor this time for the celts.




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[RexBoyWonder]

Stay away from Embbid.
Hes not worth the asking price. He's not woth Bam IMO, not considering all the factors.

Sure he's a much better scorer, but given his age, salary, chitty record in the playoffs, INJURY CONCERNS - i'm not moving Bam for him.

Much smarter to keep Bam here loing term - he'd be perfect as a third option behind Jimmy + a new aquired star.

I think the best way to get that star is to package Lowry + Dipo + all our picks for a guy like Lavine/Beal. Keep Herro and hope Jovic/Highsmith/Love cover the PF roation.

Herro
Lavine
Jimmy
Jovic
Bam

If we must, cut and strech Robinson's contract. If we can, try to keep Strus/Vincent. If not, next man up. Don't overpay. (we can't overpay, this team is expensive as **** even without them)./

[Bishop45]

I'd keep Bam if it's possible to have him as a third star-- but having three stars will be increasingly harder with the new cap

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m not trading Bam for guys that provide a 1-2 year window to win a championship. No KD, no Lillard, no Embiid and based on what we’ve seen so far it would be a great decision not to. Literally 1 injury can close the entire window.

Now if you can get someone like that without using Bam great. Get creative and come up with ways to add picks. I can come up with a way to potentially get 6-7 1sts so I’m sure the FO can too if they really have to.

Bam is this franchises future, he’s the ultimate glue guy and he does it while averaging 20+. He’s the guy this next young generation of elite players wants to play with and the guy with relationships with all of them. He’s the guy Dame wants to come play with.

Not giving those possibilities up for injury prone career chokers.

That's fine, you've decided already to limit the current window that's gotten Miami to the ECF 3 of the last 4 years. I'm 99.9% sure Bam can't be your top player and win a championship so you'll be back to hoping for a #1 to force his way to Miami which I'm sure you expect Mitchell to be that guy, but you never know what happens in the future. You have Wembanyama coming into the league who could be a bigger version of KD. Unless you have a potential MVP level younger player, I think you have to limit your vision to the next 2-4 years.

If Bam can be one of the top 3 players in this series, maybe you don't even consider moving him, but he needs to show why he shouldn't be in any trade.

I haven’t limited any window, the move has and always will be to trade Herro picks and whatever salary filler is needed to fill the roster out the best you can around Jimmy and Bam. That right there wins you a championship. Not trading your franchise cornerstone for an always injured choke artist

[IceColdCubano]

I'd keep Bam if it's possible to have him as a third star-- but having three stars will be increasingly harder with the new cap

Embid only played well when the inside out game was flowing and his perennial all-star in James Harden had it going. Creating the space and ability to dump it down low without the fear of being the only bucket getter on seeing doubles/triples is the biggest factor. Embid like Shaq, Yao, Tim Duncan, Amare, Bosh those back to the basket go getters always were best when combined with a superstar wing/guard who could break down the defense of dribble drives and had outside shooting. Those days of the prototypical bigs are over, the 76rs make up is terrible from a roster standpoint. Embid is also a mediocre defender, you need good defensive wings to keep him from having to over commit in the paint all game long, which tires him out too. He is also very big and injury prone, loves to fall down 100 times a game on flops, no he makes zero sense coming here. He would be a bad #2 here next to Jimmy. we also don't have the roster makeup to hide his deficiencies. If we had say Damien Lillard that's a whole different story, would be a perfect guard next to Embid.

Miami is better off keeping Bam as a #3, and getting a real 3pt shooter off the dribble triple threat scorer to put next to Jimmy.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Time and time again, Bam is proving he's one of the best bigs in a playoff setting in our system. Would trading Bam + Herro + picks for Embiid really be the better move than, say, trading Herro + picks for another borderline all-star to pair next to Butler while keeping Adebayo?

It would not be but I’m prepared to laugh my ass off after we trade Bam for a 1-2 year window with Embiid and it all comes falling down when he undoubtedly gets injured and is getting clamped and picked on in the playoffs.

Tell me the last time teams were running sets to purposefully get Bam as the primary defender so they could cook them

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Embiid has won 5 playoff series in his career and was only healthy for one of them

[gom]

I love Herro, but a Butler-Bam-Dame triad would be sick.

[eddieheatfan]

Watch Riley selling our franchise’s soul to the devil and landing a big 3 of Jimmy, Dame and Embiid.

Personally, I’d prefer Dame over Embiid.


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would be fine with this tbh

[AirP.]

I’m not trading Bam for guys that provide a 1-2 year window to win a championship. No KD, no Lillard, no Embiid and based on what we’ve seen so far it would be a great decision not to. Literally 1 injury can close the entire window.

Now if you can get someone like that without using Bam great. Get creative and come up with ways to add picks. I can come up with a way to potentially get 6-7 1sts so I’m sure the FO can too if they really have to.

Bam is this franchises future, he’s the ultimate glue guy and he does it while averaging 20+. He’s the guy this next young generation of elite players wants to play with and the guy with relationships with all of them. He’s the guy Dame wants to come play with.

Not giving those possibilities up for injury prone career chokers.

That's fine, you've decided already to limit the current window that's gotten Miami to the ECF 3 of the last 4 years. I'm 99.9% sure Bam can't be your top player and win a championship so you'll be back to hoping for a #1 to force his way to Miami which I'm sure you expect Mitchell to be that guy, but you never know what happens in the future. You have Wembanyama coming into the league who could be a bigger version of KD. Unless you have a potential MVP level younger player, I think you have to limit your vision to the next 2-4 years.

If Bam can be one of the top 3 players in this series, maybe you don't even consider moving him, but he needs to show why he shouldn't be in any trade.

I haven’t limited any window, the move has and always will be to trade Herro picks and whatever salary filler is needed to fill the roster out the best you can around Jimmy and Bam. That right there wins you a championship. Not trading your franchise cornerstone for an always injured choke artist

Don't make me start pointing at issues at what you're calling franchise cornerstone and him completely disappearing games where Miami needed him. Game 2 of the NY series, Butler out, Bam puts up 10 shots and pulled down 8 rebounds. Bam is a great overall player but he's not someone the whole defense has to scheme against like Embiid is or be able to nearly close down anything near the basket.

The only way you pick Bam over Embiid is because of their health history, which is a real issue, but I think Miami would be able to manage him better.

Also, I'm not so sure Miami is looking to move Herro, I think they like him from a marketing standpoint. The time to move him was while he was on the rookie contract, not only because it was easier to build a trade but you also strengthen your roster a year or 2 earlier for a stronger roster for a playoff run.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

That's fine, you've decided already to limit the current window that's gotten Miami to the ECF 3 of the last 4 years. I'm 99.9% sure Bam can't be your top player and win a championship so you'll be back to hoping for a #1 to force his way to Miami which I'm sure you expect Mitchell to be that guy, but you never know what happens in the future. You have Wembanyama coming into the league who could be a bigger version of KD. Unless you have a potential MVP level younger player, I think you have to limit your vision to the next 2-4 years.

If Bam can be one of the top 3 players in this series, maybe you don't even consider moving him, but he needs to show why he shouldn't be in any trade.

I haven’t limited any window, the move has and always will be to trade Herro picks and whatever salary filler is needed to fill the roster out the best you can around Jimmy and Bam. That right there wins you a championship. Not trading your franchise cornerstone for an always injured choke artist

Don't make me start pointing at issues at what you're calling franchise cornerstone and him completely disappearing games where Miami needed him. Game 2 of the NY series, Butler out, Bam puts up 10 shots and pulled down 8 rebounds. Bam is a great overall player but he's not someone the whole defense has to scheme against like Embiid is or be able to nearly close down anything near the basket.

The only way you pick Bam over Embiid is because of their health history, which is a real issue, but I think Miami would be able to manage him better.

Also, I'm not so sure Miami is looking to move Herro, I think they like him from a marketing standpoint. The time to move him was while he was on the rookie contract, not only because it was easier to build a trade but you also strengthen your roster a year or 2 earlier for a stronger roster for a playoff run.

Whatever you point out about a still young and developing player won’t be as bad as the **** we’ve seen from Embiid so go ahead plus the franchise cornerstone tag runs deeper than the game itself, much more to it than that.

Game 2 scheme was to bomb 3s, if Spo wanted Bam to shoot more that game im sure he would have. It worked too if not for Scott Foster.

Cool, this I guess this is what we are if we don’t want to trade Herro. Not so sure another Embiid injury and choke job sealed the deal for Miami. Kawhi and PG situation in the works

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[AirP.]

I haven’t limited any window, the move has and always will be to trade Herro picks and whatever salary filler is needed to fill the roster out the best you can around Jimmy and Bam. That right there wins you a championship. Not trading your franchise cornerstone for an always injured choke artist

Don't make me start pointing at issues at what you're calling franchise cornerstone and him completely disappearing games where Miami needed him. Game 2 of the NY series, Butler out, Bam puts up 10 shots and pulled down 8 rebounds. Bam is a great overall player but he's not someone the whole defense has to scheme against like Embiid is or be able to nearly close down anything near the basket.

The only way you pick Bam over Embiid is because of their health history, which is a real issue, but I think Miami would be able to manage him better.

Also, I'm not so sure Miami is looking to move Herro, I think they like him from a marketing standpoint. The time to move him was while he was on the rookie contract, not only because it was easier to build a trade but you also strengthen your roster a year or 2 earlier for a stronger roster for a playoff run.

Whatever you point out about a still young and developing player won’t be as bad as the **** we’ve seen from Embiid so go ahead plus the franchise cornerstone tag runs deeper than the game itself, much more to it than that.

Game 2 scheme was to bomb 3s, if Spo wanted Bam to shoot more that game im sure he would have. It worked too if not for Scott Foster.

Cool, this I guess this is what we are if we don’t want to trade Herro. Not so sure another Embiid injury and choke job sealed the deal for Miami. Kawhi and PG situation in the works

Bam is just 3 years younger than Embiid so there's not this massive age difference you seem to indicate. Embiid scored nearly 28 ppg at age 23 and he had only been playing basketball for 8 years at that point. He didn't even start playing basketball until he was 15 so if there's someone who cans still get better it's probably Embiid, but he needs a better organization.

Do you believe Bam will be a top 5 finalist for MVP in the next 5 years because I sure don't.

I just happen to think it's worth a complete rebuild to have a strong multiyear window at winning a championship because it's really hard to build a strong contender so anytime you can do it, you should do it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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