2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 5 - JIMMY BUTTWART EXTRAVAGANZA

[batterybro42]

Y'all can't be serious about trading Bam. Bam is still only 27. The plan is to get a major piece in FA in 2 summers. Bam is a piece to that puzzle you use then to help start winning immediately. You'll have a Herro closer to or in his prime. Ware who should be more physically developed along with the other guys on the roster playing their role. Bam is still a defensive anchor.

Bam is no longer the true 5 on this team that is now Ware, it is about fitting Bam around Ware now not the other way around.

I don't know if you want to pay the NBA's Angel Reese 60 million dollars a year at 31 years old, when we lucked into likely the next franchise player at the same position. Bam has value, Bam has been great in his time here, but I have been warning about this eventual conversation for some time. I am of the opinion that Bam is a small ball 5, and that is what he is, it is not changing, and he is not going to somehow become a good shooter anytime soon.

The money we are spending on Bam can be better spent in my opinion on another max player, and we would very likely get a nice asset haul for Bam to grease the next build. I think Miami should get super lean outside of Ware/Herro and the rest of the young guys and go from there.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Memphis trying to extend olive branch. If we can get Jaylen Wells that’s a homerun

[MettaWorldPanda]

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So they looking to ship them elsewhere

Maybe as part of the package for LaVine that then brings Beal to Chicago.

[Flash4thewin]

Fans aren’t always right or know what’s best for the front office I’d say most of the time. However a large contingent of Heat fans seemingly read the room better than management when they said to trade Jimmy a few years back. I believe we have reached the same point with Bam. He’s got value right now he’s just entering him prime. Get a haul of picks now. Learn from the past mistakes of holding onto players too long where their value completely spoils

I agree. And it also slightly different situation rn. I mean few years ago Heat had kinda a contender, so it still made sense to hold onto players. Or at least it was arguable. Not so much anymore as this roster clearly not contending. So it makes even more sense to trade Bam.

Contending sort of but the writing was on the wall with the Bam extension coming up and how Jimmy has been a malcontent in every other place he left. If Heat knew they weren’t going to be paying butler what he wanted, should have read the room better IMO. Maybe it was a breakdown in communication between player and management but it was an oversight. Relating to Bam yes it incentivizes the team even more to move forward without him. The next few years are likely to be some tough years for the Heat as we’re basically back to the days of picking like 8-11 in the draft. Might as well totally bottom out and see what you got in some of these kids

It's like you said, reading the room. The whole 2026 plan seems like hope shilling to be perfectly honest. What star player is going to give up 50+ mil to come here, especially after this Jimmy PR disaster. The current target/victim is Fox, who says he wants to win, we take that literally. When players say I want to win, 99% of the time it's really, bleeping pay me. Fox wants to get that super max. So say we miss out on Fox, Herro is up for his 50 mil extension this October, Jovic wants to get paid, then JJJ is up next. All of the cap space will start to get mighty small all while we punt away another season. In the meantime Bam gets older, an undersized player whose whole game is based on athleticism. Its about reading the room

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Yuck

Rather give minutes to Keshad

This year should be about the kids development, not about trying to sneak into the playoffs just to get mollywhopped by Clev or Bos.

I’m thinking more sneak into the playoffs and pay up our pick to get on with our future. Also nothing wrong giving the new young guys playoff experience

[MettaWorldPanda]

We just started the Ware and Bam front court. It needs time and the proper build now. It’s worth the patience. Get a scoring SF and real PG with them and allow the unit to gel.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Would be nice if we can reroute Middleton to NO for Ingram.

[Rapaz]

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yikes

Mike Bibby shooting 17/66 from 3 in the 2011 playoffs looks like prime Ray Allen compared to this terrorist.

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[greg4012]

I agree. And it also slightly different situation rn. I mean few years ago Heat had kinda a contender, so it still made sense to hold onto players. Or at least it was arguable. Not so much anymore as this roster clearly not contending. So it makes even more sense to trade Bam.

Contending sort of but the writing was on the wall with the Bam extension coming up and how Jimmy has been a malcontent in every other place he left. If Heat knew they weren’t going to be paying butler what he wanted, should have read the room better IMO. Maybe it was a breakdown in communication between player and management but it was an oversight. Relating to Bam yes it incentivizes the team even more to move forward without him. The next few years are likely to be some tough years for the Heat as we’re basically back to the days of picking like 8-11 in the draft. Might as well totally bottom out and see what you got in some of these kids

It's like you said, reading the room. The whole 2026 plan seems like hope shilling to be perfectly honest. What star player is going to give up 50+ mil to come here, especially after this Jimmy PR disaster. The current target/victim is Fox, who says he wants to win, we take that literally. When players say I want to win, 99% of the time it's really, bleeping pay me. Fox wants to get that super max. So say we miss out on Fox, Herro is up for his 50 mil extension this October, Jovic wants to get paid, then JJJ is up next. All of the cap space will start to get mighty small all while we punt away another season. In the meantime Bam gets older, an undersized player whose whole game is based on athleticism. Its about reading the room

Is Fox supermax eligible?

I agree that's the major hurdle that makes the likes of Luka 2026 very questionable.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Slowly evolving into

Suns- Butler

Chicago- Beal and Portis

Bucks- LaVine and Highsmith

Heat- Middleton or Ingram and Ball

5th or 6th team Pels- Middleton and small asset.

5th or 6th team- Salary dump Connaughton

[dolphinatik]

Tyler Herro ain't making the Allstars team, the east snub list is too stacked. Lillard or Cade will get that call or ball. Tyler has some work to do in the consistency front.

[DayofMourning]

Tyler Herro ain't making the Allstars team, the east snub list is too stacked. Lillard or Cade will get that call or ball. Tyler has some work to do in the consistency front.

I expect Ball to make it. Classic selection. Hes basically Rozier this year, except he takes 25 shots a game.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Bulls gonna end up with assets for this from Suns. LaVine then goes to Bucks

[Flash4thewin]

Contending sort of but the writing was on the wall with the Bam extension coming up and how Jimmy has been a malcontent in every other place he left. If Heat knew they weren’t going to be paying butler what he wanted, should have read the room better IMO. Maybe it was a breakdown in communication between player and management but it was an oversight. Relating to Bam yes it incentivizes the team even more to move forward without him. The next few years are likely to be some tough years for the Heat as we’re basically back to the days of picking like 8-11 in the draft. Might as well totally bottom out and see what you got in some of these kids

It's like you said, reading the room. The whole 2026 plan seems like hope shilling to be perfectly honest. What star player is going to give up 50+ mil to come here, especially after this Jimmy PR disaster. The current target/victim is Fox, who says he wants to win, we take that literally. When players say I want to win, 99% of the time it's really, bleeping pay me. Fox wants to get that super max. So say we miss out on Fox, Herro is up for his 50 mil extension this October, Jovic wants to get paid, then JJJ is up next. All of the cap space will start to get mighty small all while we punt away another season. In the meantime Bam gets older, an undersized player whose whole game is based on athleticism. Its about reading the room

Is Fox supermax eligible?

I agree that's the major hurdle that makes the likes of Luka 2026 very questionable.

If he gets named to an all NBA team he is. If he gets that, then he can sign 345 mil 5 year contract, basically almost 70 mil a year. Like most things, just follow the money and it all starts to make sense.

[al bondiga]

For me the next few years are CRUCIAL for bam... He has the daunting Task of getting rid of the notion in his head that he is a center Or he will gradually become a third wheel...

spo man... You'r crazy notions may have lost the heat The second best player figure in its history

You have to make up for it

[IceColdCubano]

For me the next few years are CRUCIAL for bam... He has the daunting Task of getting rid of the notion in his head that he is a center Or he will gradually become a third wheel...

spo man... You'r crazy notions may have lost the heat The second best player figure in its history

You have to make up for it

He already is a third wheel atleast on the offensive side.

The issue that was not discussed here, is while the Ware/Bam combo would elevate the team on defense. It would not work on offense until Bam can play like a forward, and improve his shooting/face up game/mid-post/back to the basket.

The easy points that were on the table before, the rim runs, the rolling to the basket, the offensive put backs, and the dump passes down low on mismatch are mostly going to go to Ware. So Bam now has to do self creation far more.

Either this is just a down season for Bam, and next year he comes in with a respectable jumper. Its not even about 3pt jumper at this point, hes not going to shoot enough for him to have gravity with it, its about now having self creation. He needs to improve his faceup game, back to the basket post game if he wants to eat again at the basket.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Y'all can't be serious about trading Bam. Bam is still only 27. The plan is to get a major piece in FA in 2 summers. Bam is a piece to that puzzle you use then to help start winning immediately. You'll have a Herro closer to or in his prime. Ware who should be more physically developed along with the other guys on the roster playing their role. Bam is still a defensive anchor.

INSANELY stupid takes these last few pages from supposed fans. He has always been the fan punching bag regardless if he’s scoring 30 or 10 it hasn’t mattered. He will be here, he’ll be the reason we add another star like Fox and he will bounce back.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[IceColdCubano]

Y'all can't be serious about trading Bam. Bam is still only 27. The plan is to get a major piece in FA in 2 summers. Bam is a piece to that puzzle you use then to help start winning immediately. You'll have a Herro closer to or in his prime. Ware who should be more physically developed along with the other guys on the roster playing their role. Bam is still a defensive anchor.

INSANELY stupid takes these last few pages from supposed fans. He has always been the fan punching bag regardless if he’s scoring 30 or 10 it hasn’t mattered. He will be here, he’ll be the reason we add another star like Fox and he will bounce back.

For me I am not ready to call it with Bam, its a down season, players have them. Plus there's been changes to the offense, and now with Ware the other big man is going to eat away the easy buckets he used to get before. There's adjustments needed.