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Post#281 » by Kobewade11 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:00 pm

twix2500 wrote:Yeah I think if you get Sexton there is no Lowry. That means Butler will be point. Which is fine because Sexton is a scorer, that relieved Butler from some of the scoring responsibilities. Not ideal but ok.

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My only concern is the two guard spot. It's no secret I'm much higher on Herro as a more dynamic player in that position as opposed to Duncan. If you sign Lowry you still get a "win now" player at point that allows Herro to further develop in his natural position. Sexton is more polished than Herro as of now, but that deal also means hitching the wagons to Duncan....ugh
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Post#282 » by Kobewade11 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:01 pm

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Sometimes in life and basketball, you need to take the best you can get, not to best you want.

I'd rather get Lilard and Booker, but I'll take a Sexton/Lowry backcourt over Nunn/Duncan.

We have very few assets and the market is very dry. Got to Do the best we can with that.

Oh I'm definitely with you.
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Post#283 » by Beenie » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:05 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:Listening to 5 guys podcast now. Regarding Sexton: "I think all indications are that the Heat are interested and that the player in interested".

One fairly good point brought up by Adam, whom I don't mind. If you're trading for and maxing Sexton, that's pretty much your core for the rest of Jimmy's good years..so you better be sure he's "the guy". I've got no interest in a chihuahua backcourt of Lowry/Sexton either.


A Sexton/Lowry backcourt seemingly leaves Duncan on the outside lookin in, unless they either pay him a big contract to bring him off the bench or move Jimmy to the 4 - both of which are poop options.

Regarding Lowry, his age and his looming bloated contract aside, the other concern that hasn't really been discussed is his streakiness. As good as his is, he also is capable of going cold for an entire playoff series.

I like him for this team but the cons seem to outweigh the pros.
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Post#284 » by IggieCC » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:31 pm



Only player who singlehandidly beat health Nets big 3 this szn in my estimation

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Post#285 » by Hallstar » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:40 pm

So no one is asking why the Cavs are willing to dump him before his rookie extension? Just checking
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Post#286 » by Kobewade11 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:46 pm

Hallstar wrote:So no one is asking why the Cavs are willing to dump him before his rookie extension? Just checking

They don't want to pay him the max
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Post#287 » by twix2500 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:57 pm

Hallstar wrote:So no one is asking why the Cavs are willing to dump him before his rookie extension? Just checking


Personally I think it more of financial move, hinted that is why they are trying t attach Love to the deal. I do not think the Cavs are willing to trade Sexton alone. I may be wrong, but it appears that they see an oppurtunity to cut cost and then rebuild.
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Post#289 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:21 pm

Given the position we're in as beggars who don't have a whole lot to choose from, I'd take a Lowry/Sexton backcourt and run. Lowry is a manlet, but it's not like he gets bullied by big SGs. Dude is a dump truck, and defending slower SGs might actually be better for him as he ages

It does create an issue tho with what to do with DRob. I assumed we could S&T him but apparently the S&T options for a guy at his salary level are pretty scarce. But putting that aside for a second and looking at the new potential lineup:

C - Bam
F - Love
F - Yimmy
G - Lowry
G - Sexton

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Post#290 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:22 pm

twix2500 wrote:
Kobewade11 wrote:Listening to 5 guys podcast now. Regarding Sexton: "I think all indications are that the Heat are interested and that the player in interested".

One fairly good point brought up by Adam, whom I don't mind. If you're trading for and maxing Sexton, that's pretty much your core for the rest of Jimmy's good years..so you better be sure he's "the guy". I've got no interest in a chihuahua backcourt of Lowry/Sexton either.
Yeah I think if you get Sexton there is no Lowry. That means Butler will be point. Which is fine because Sexton is a scorer, that relieved Butler from some of the scoring responsibilities. Not ideal but ok.

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I think most of us agree that if we get Sexton that we will not have Lowry in the same back court. Herro most likely ends up in Cleveland and Duncan gets resigned.
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Post#291 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:26 pm

BenoUdrihFTL wrote:Given the position we're in as beggars who don't have a whole lot to choose from, I'd take a Lowry/Sexton backcourt and run. Lowry is a manlet, but it's not like he gets bullied by big SGs. Dude is a dump truck, and defending slower SGs might actually be better for him as he ages

It does create an issue tho with what to do with DRob. I assumed we could S&T him but apparently the S&T options for a guy at his salary level are pretty scarce. But putting that aside for a second and looking at the new potential lineup:

C - Bam
F - Love
F - Yimmy
G - Lowry
G - Sexton

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If you get Love and Sexton there is no Lowry buddy unless he’s taking the MLE. I also can’t stand the thought of that tiny backcourt. Cavs are running away from that and so are the Raptors for that matter. Nobody chooses to go with a small backcourt. It’s done out of necessity not by choice.
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Post#292 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:32 pm

Raptors had to go with the Vanvleet and Lowry backcourt last year because they had to think long term of VanVleet taking over for Lowry but could not bench Lowry and for the money spent VanVleet needed to start. They went out and got Gary Trent Jr who’s 6’6 and will be resigned to take over the starting two spot while VanVleet moves to the natural 1 spot. Cavs also know they need to get bigger in the back court and have to choose between Sexton and Garland. Garland is the one they are going with and are looking to get Okoro in at the two spot or Green if he falls to them. If Herro joins he’ll be in that mix in the 2/3 spots.
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Post#293 » by AirP. » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:35 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
Hallstar wrote:So no one is asking why the Cavs are willing to dump him before his rookie extension? Just checking

They don't want to pay him the max

* They have the 3rd pick and might have to take a guard or trade back to not waste a pick if they still have Sexland.
* Wanting to add some height in the starting backcourt.

Those 2 are big reasons for Cleveland not wanting to max him.
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Post#294 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:35 pm

If we get Sexton then keeping Duncan is a must. Sexton can break down defenses at will and instead of having Duncan run around like a head cut off chicken he can just spot up. Guaranteed Duncan’s three point percentage gets to the mid 40’s without having to launch gassed out 3’s.
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Post#295 » by AirP. » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:39 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:If we get Sexton then keeping Duncan is a must. Sexton can break down defenses at will and instead of having Duncan run around like a head cut off chicken he can just spot up.

Maybe but if Oladipo is in the long term plans for Miami with adding Sexton you're looking at 4 starters in Sexton, Oladipo, Butler and Bam, not sure Robinson or Butler can handle the 4 spot. That's a great defensive team with below average 3pt shooters(bring 3pt shooting off the bench when needed), you can find a stretch 4 to trade for who will be fine for them.

Robinson at a high number is not a priority if he's coming off the bench, just sign Strus and some other 3pt shooter as role players.

I think Oladipo is a player Miami expects to resign but will treat him as someone they're not sure about, work on filling out their team and then deal with Oladipo to give themselves leverage.
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Post#296 » by QUIZ » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:48 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:If we get Sexton then keeping Duncan is a must. Sexton can break down defenses at will and instead of having Duncan run around like a head cut off chicken he can just spot up.

Maybe but if Oladipo is in the long term plans for Miami with adding Sexton you're looking at 4 starters in Sexton, Oladipo, Butler and Bam, not sure Robinson or Butler can handle the 4 spot. That's a great defensive team with below average 3pt shooters(bring 3pt shooting off the bench when needed), you can find a stretch 4 to trade for who will be fine for them.

Robinson at a high number is not a priority if he's coming off the bench, just sign Strus and some other 3pt shooter as role players.

I think Oladipo is a player Miami expects to resign but will treat him as someone they're not sure about, work on filling out their team and then deal with Oladipo to give themselves leverage.

Is Oladipo in the long-term plans though? Ethan and the 5 reasons guys seem to feel like the Heat were meh on him before the trade and are pretty much out on him now, they said they hadn't even heard his name brought up
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Post#297 » by AirP. » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:00 pm

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AirP. wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:If we get Sexton then keeping Duncan is a must. Sexton can break down defenses at will and instead of having Duncan run around like a head cut off chicken he can just spot up.

Maybe but if Oladipo is in the long term plans for Miami with adding Sexton you're looking at 4 starters in Sexton, Oladipo, Butler and Bam, not sure Robinson or Butler can handle the 4 spot. That's a great defensive team with below average 3pt shooters(bring 3pt shooting off the bench when needed), you can find a stretch 4 to trade for who will be fine for them.

Robinson at a high number is not a priority if he's coming off the bench, just sign Strus and some other 3pt shooter as role players.

I think Oladipo is a player Miami expects to resign but will treat him as someone they're not sure about, work on filling out their team and then deal with Oladipo to give themselves leverage.

Is Oladipo in the long-term plans though? Ethan and the 5 reasons guys seem to feel like the Heat were meh on him before the trade and are pretty much out on him now, they said they hadn't even heard his name brought up


Ok... follow me on this and this only works as an over the cap team.

Miami can go forward building out their roster like Oladipo isn't being resigned and with that they gain leverage. As long as there's a roster spot, Miami can resign Oladipo. My guess, a 1+1, more money if the 2nd year is a team option, less money if the 2nd year is a player option. I expect Oladipo to sign a lesser 1+1 with a player option and to try to keep Miami under the tax and if he looks good again he can opt out and Miami can move some money around and resign him next offseason.

From Oladipo's camp, unless he gets a multiyear contract from someone(which probably doesn't happen), his best move is to stay in Miami, take whatever Miami offers him so they can retain his Bird rights so he can prove himself this season. I'm not sure there's a team willing to risk a multiyear contract big enough to be a better option then stay in Miami for a small amount and then opt out next year for possibly a solid contract.

I don't believe Miami is just moving on from Oladipo but they're operating as if he won't be around/healthy next off season then offer him a 1+1 this offseason to retain bird rights just in case. There is no reason for Miami to talk about Oladipo, he's once again the last guy they need to worry about, Oladipo has little to no other options, his best option is a player option and keeping Bird rights with Miami.

For me, in Butler's window of Miami trying to be a contender I'd rather gamble on a 2 way player Oladipo then pay a one dimensional player like Robinson.
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Post#298 » by twix2500 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:07 pm

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AirP. wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:If we get Sexton then keeping Duncan is a must. Sexton can break down defenses at will and instead of having Duncan run around like a head cut off chicken he can just spot up.

Maybe but if Oladipo is in the long term plans for Miami with adding Sexton you're looking at 4 starters in Sexton, Oladipo, Butler and Bam, not sure Robinson or Butler can handle the 4 spot. That's a great defensive team with below average 3pt shooters(bring 3pt shooting off the bench when needed), you can find a stretch 4 to trade for who will be fine for them.

Robinson at a high number is not a priority if he's coming off the bench, just sign Strus and some other 3pt shooter as role players.

I think Oladipo is a player Miami expects to resign but will treat him as someone they're not sure about, work on filling out their team and then deal with Oladipo to give themselves leverage.

Is Oladipo in the long-term plans though? Ethan and the 5 reasons guys seem to feel like the Heat were meh on him before the trade and are pretty much out on him now, they said they hadn't even heard his name brought up


I also believe they expect to resign him. However I do not believe the expectation is a big or long term deal. Probably a two year deal, and he needs two years for him to work himself up back to elite status if he is capable.
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Post#299 » by AirP. » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:12 pm

twix2500 wrote:
QUIZ wrote:
AirP. wrote:Maybe but if Oladipo is in the long term plans for Miami with adding Sexton you're looking at 4 starters in Sexton, Oladipo, Butler and Bam, not sure Robinson or Butler can handle the 4 spot. That's a great defensive team with below average 3pt shooters(bring 3pt shooting off the bench when needed), you can find a stretch 4 to trade for who will be fine for them.

Robinson at a high number is not a priority if he's coming off the bench, just sign Strus and some other 3pt shooter as role players.

I think Oladipo is a player Miami expects to resign but will treat him as someone they're not sure about, work on filling out their team and then deal with Oladipo to give themselves leverage.

Is Oladipo in the long-term plans though? Ethan and the 5 reasons guys seem to feel like the Heat were meh on him before the trade and are pretty much out on him now, they said they hadn't even heard his name brought up


I also believe they expect to resign him. However I do not believe the expectation is a big or long term deal. Probably a two year deal, and he needs two years for him to work himself up back to elite status if he is capable.

He doesn't need to be all the way back by next summer to get a solid deal from Miami after they've watched his work ethic, monitored his health and watched how he fits in with the team, they can reasonably project how good he can once again be.

Oladipo doesn't have many options which is incredible leverage for Miami for a player that can be as good as Oladipo can be on both sides of the ball. Also Miami may want to lock him in(3 year contract) to know how to build the rest of the roster with his position covered. I personally consider him just a good scorer(17-21ppg) with Miami since I don't expect him to ever be utilized the way he was that great year in Indiana. He'll give Miami options in the playoffs by being able to abuse bad defenders.
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Post#300 » by twix2500 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:37 pm

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twix2500 wrote:
QUIZ wrote:Is Oladipo in the long-term plans though? Ethan and the 5 reasons guys seem to feel like the Heat were meh on him before the trade and are pretty much out on him now, they said they hadn't even heard his name brought up


I also believe they expect to resign him. However I do not believe the expectation is a big or long term deal. Probably a two year deal, and he needs two years for him to work himself up back to elite status if he is capable.

He doesn't need to be all the way back by next summer to get a solid deal from Miami after they've watched his work ethic, monitored his health and watched how he fits in with the team, they can reasonably project how good he can once again be.

Oladipo doesn't have many options which is incredible leverage for Miami for a player that can be as good as Oladipo can be on both sides of the ball. Also Miami may want to lock him in(3 year contract) to know how to build the rest of the roster with his position covered. I personally consider him just a good scorer(17-21ppg) with Miami since I don't expect him to ever be utilized the way he was that great year in Indiana. He'll give Miami options in the playoffs by being able to abuse bad defenders.


Well he needs two years to work himself back to what ever he will end up being.

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