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Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!!

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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#281 » by fishfuego. » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:07 pm

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Bourne85 wrote:Reality of the situation is all Boston has to do is offer Jaylen and a pick or 2 and we lose. Sadly Tyler Herro doesn’t command a star of Dames caliber. Even worse the Blazers have like 3 guys already better than Herro at his position. Worst part is Dame to Boston means our days of beating them are behind us. Hopefully it’s all lies, and they probably are. Time will tell

How do you guys come up with stuff?

Why would Boston offer up their 26 year old co-star and a “pick or two”
The Blazers do not have 3 players better than Herro at his position, that is just comedy.
Dame doesn’t want to play in Boston and even IF he did, that still would not make them some juggernaut we cant beat again.


In all seriousness I am really tired of this unrealistic comment that they have 3 players better than Herro at his position. The fact is Herro is better in most of the metrics in comparison to these guys, he is still 23 years old and continues to improve season to season. You may not be aware but Herro's defense actually got better this last season. He hasn't shown to top out on any progression whatsoever, yeah we are hard on him, he lacks wingspan and struggles when he gets all level defender in front of him, guess what so does everyone else. He isn't a speedy guard Herro is bigger than your average SG, so he will require screens to get freed when being guarded by tall lengthy wings with good mobility. I am really tired of this notion, guess what those guys in Portland, when its their time to get paid, they will command the same dollars or higher based on the CAP going up. We just saw that 30M is the going rate for that #3-#4 player on a team that tells you when those guys are up for an extension and their making 35M a year I don't want to hear about what a nice contract they have. I am in agreement about using Herro to upgrade our team, because of his salary and he is a position that we can afford to go weak on. We got to stop this notion that he is some sort of wart not worth 30M, it was the going rate at the time. Yeah if it was me, I would have let him hit the market and created a bidding war, and maybe gotten him at 25M or 28M a year, guess what there's also the possibility somebody would have fcked us over and gave him 32M-36M and we would have matched....That's why sometimes these FO don't take the risk of letting their players hit open market.

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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

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Post#284 » by SoFlaKingReal » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:09 pm

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SoFlaKingReal wrote:It will be telling who plays in the Heat's summer league game tonight.

If they are close to a deal, can't see anyone who may be involved playing.


JJJ just signed his contract so he can’t even be traded for 30 days


Trade can't be finalized for a month, but JJJ's contract can now be used in a deal.
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#286 » by Spacely » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:11 pm

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SoFlaKingReal wrote:It will be telling who plays in the Heat's summer league game tonight.

If they are close to a deal, can't see anyone who may be involved playing.


JJJ just signed his contract so he can’t even be traded for 30 days


Trade can't be finalized for a month, but JJJ's contract can now be used in a deal.


And why can’t a trade be finalized for a month?
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Post#287 » by fishfuego. » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:11 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Did not know Nurkic was a Klutch client lol.

Lol repairing move by the Heat organization.
They’ve moved on IMO.
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Post#288 » by MorbidHEAT » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:13 pm

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This Herro slander is out of pocket at this point. When it boils down to it, the guy is a 20 ppg scorer at 23, and is a former 6MOY, who has gotten better every year and is nowhere near his prime. His contract, with all these ridiculous contracts being handed out, is not an overpay anymore. He shoots a lot because he has the green light but he is also a willing passer and is also always willing to take the clutch time shots. Guy is going to get better.

His defense....who cares? Half the stars in the league don't play a lick of defense. Herro has gotten better. Is he Devin Booker? No. Should he cost us just to trade him? Absolutely not. Whatever team he goes to, my guess is he's going to have a 5 point jump in ppg and be somewhere around 25 ppg.
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Post#289 » by Rapaz » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:14 pm

miamiballer wrote:It’s 8 am in portland, gotta think cronins in his pjs having Cinnamon Toast Crunch and gonna call Riley shortly to negotiate the deal

I like you. This shows not all Heat fans are degenerates who think I spend my life jizzing into potted plants.
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Post#290 » by marson » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:15 pm

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This Herro slander is out of pocket at this point. When it boils down to it, the guy is a 20 ppg scorer at 23 former 6MOY who has gotten better every year and is nowhere near his prime. His contract, with all these ridiculous contracts being handed out, is not an overpay anymore. He shoots a lot because he has the green light but he is also a willing passer and is also always willing to take the clutch time shots. Guy is going to get better.

His defense....who cares? Half the stars in the league don't play a lick of defense. Herro has gotten better. Is he Devin Booker? No. Should he cost us just to trade him? Absolutely not.


Then they check his playoff stats and say pass lol. Very good RS performer indeed and can be a tank commander.
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#292 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:18 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Did not know Nurkic was a Klutch client lol.

Lol repairing move by the Heat organization.
They’ve moved on IMO.

I don’t think they have at all.
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Post#293 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:19 pm

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Hallstar wrote:Yet this "bum" is supposed to be the central piece in a Dame Lillard trade and wondering what's taking so long? You can't denigrate a player at every opportunity then flip it that he's worth being the only piece worth a damn in a superstar trade? Make it make sense.


Well the blazers have no use for him and don’t view him as better than any of their guards and now Brooklyn is saying they want picks to take him on. We need you on the phone asap talking to Brooklyn to sell them on the importance of adding Devin Booker 2.0+ to their roster after the success Mikal already had next to Booker

Brooklyn knows we're desperate and they have ZERO incentive to help us. We're in their conference and view themselves as a borderline playoff team. If they can leave us as Dame/Bam/Jimmy and absolute garbage without a pick til 2030, it's in their best interest to do so


I agree, they’ll cave eventually
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#294 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:19 pm

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Well the blazers have no use for him and don’t view him as better than any of their guards and now Brooklyn is saying they want picks to take him on. We need you on the phone asap talking to Brooklyn to sell them on the importance of adding Devin Booker 2.0+ to their roster after the success Mikal already had next to Booker

Brooklyn knows we're desperate and they have ZERO incentive to help us. We're in their conference and view themselves as a borderline playoff team. If they can leave us as Dame/Bam/Jimmy and absolute garbage without a pick til 2030, it's in their best interest to do so


I agree, they’ll cave eventually

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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#295 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:20 pm

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SoFlaKingReal wrote:It will be telling who plays in the Heat's summer league game tonight.

If they are close to a deal, can't see anyone who may be involved playing.


JJJ just signed his contract so he can’t even be traded for 30 days


Trade can't be finalized for a month, but JJJ's contract can now be used in a deal.

I don’t think we are waiting 30 days on the 18th pick of the draft for this deal to be finalized. He’s not involved imo
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#297 » by fishfuego. » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:21 pm

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miamiballer wrote:What’s taking so long just trade him to us already


3 or 4 team deals are super elaborate and there's a lot of players involved/big money switching salary caps/several pick stipulations. It's going to take a while for it all to get approved if they move forward with it. It isn't just throwing it into a trade machine and getting "SUCCESS" spit back at them.

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Post#298 » by SoFlaKingReal » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:21 pm

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SoFlaKingReal wrote:
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JJJ just signed his contract so he can’t even be traded for 30 days


Trade can't be finalized for a month, but JJJ's contract can now be used in a deal.


And why can’t a trade be finalized for a month?


Because JJJ signed. Just saying, that JJJ signing doesn’t mean he won’t be in the Dame deal.
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Post#299 » by greg4012 » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:22 pm

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1-year rental is very different. I bet Kawhi would have sought out his next point of leverage to control his destination if it wasn't just a 1-year rental. Plus the acquiring team takes on even more risk bc it costs more when the player is under contract for multiple years.

Its kind of different when your on a one year rental, You play out your year and GTFO. Toronto risked it and got a championship out of it and still couldn't retain him after the fact, so winning a championship doesn't even earn you enough kudos to keep a player of his caliber. In this case Lillard still has 4 years left on his contract. If Kawhi had 4 years left on his contract he would be playing out his contract in Toronto or traded elsewhere at his mid point if he pouted enough, Toronto may have repeated or rebuilt around that team.


That only works if one goes full Ben Simmons, look at him now and the consequences of his actions. Also you are neglecting that the risk reward justifies the move for many teams. If what we are offering is seen as trash by many around the league, it doesnt take much or any real effort to beat that by many teams. The Jazz could easily go for it with the armada of picks they have. The comic irony of getting a better player than Donovan for a fraction of a price to team up with Markkanaen. Oh and the icing on the cake is it bleep Pat. Yeah he is really going to pass up that opportunity lol. The 76ers and the Clippers can offer a ton of expiring and just out of spite the Blazers owner could make those moves. Look like we have reaches the point where it's at a personal level, the ok im going to Bleep you back for this betrayal. Thats where logic and common sense leave the room and petty grudges rule supreme.


Let's just see. There are too many examples to count where a superstar doesn't go full Ben Simmons and still gets their way. Too many posters only see the economic transactions and don't understand that soft power (goes beyond what is written in the contract) and human dynamics impact this as much as anything else.

I remember when many were guaranteeing Dame wouldn't ask out. Guaranteeing Dame wouldn't specify his destination. Guaranteeing BKN would outbid Miami.

Power and leverage exist in more places than simply what is written in a contract.
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#300 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:22 pm

At the rate that were going in this thread, Lillard will be had in "Thread 22.0"

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